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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:22 pm

Who ?

Where ?

When ?

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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:26 pm

SQ.

SIN-SYD-SIN.

December 2007/January 2008, most likely, since they will need some time to acclimate themselves to it once they take delivery in October 2007 before they start revenue passenger service.
 
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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:44 pm

What about LHR / LAX / EWR / JFK / ZRH /
 
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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Rw774477 (Reply 2):
What about LHR / LAX / EWR / JFK / ZRH /

What about trying to do a search - this has been discussed endlessly over the last few months... my suggestion is wait and see.... excited as we all are (me too) SQ will tell us all in good time...!!
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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting Rw774477 (Reply 2):
What about LHR / LAX / EWR / JFK / ZRH /

Once SQ has three birds and trained/familiarized crews to operate them, they will start SYD-SIN-LHR and then SYD-HKG-LHR service, replacing all their 744s on those routes. Then they will start replacing their 744s on the SIN-HKG-SFO and probably SIN-ICN-SFO services, as well as SIN-NRT-LAX. Not sure how FRA-SIN is in terms of loads, but JFK-FRA is often empty in First when I fly, so SIN-FRA-JFK may become a 77W route or we may see an A380 on it, as well.
 
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Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:39 am

I do not hear regarding the certification and delivery of the A380 MSN3 to SIA

Hoy is it progressing ?? Which are rge further steps and timetable ??

A similar type of reporting as done by A-netters for the B787 would be welcome !!

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Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:15 am

Everything I have read continues to state that SQ will receive MSN003 in October of 2007.

Boeing says the 787 remains on schedule for a May 2008 delivery to NH. Rumor and innuendo says Boeing may miss this date because they believe Boeing is up to four months behind their initial program milestones towards EIS.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Boeing says the 787 remains on schedule for a May 2008 delivery to NH. Rumor and innuendo says Boeing may miss this date because they believe Boeing is up to four months behind their initial program milestones towards

1) Can you share with us some source of theses rumors ?? Could this be a preventive shot for the case that the
MSN3 got a further delay.?

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 5):
A similar type of reporting as done by A-netters for the B787 would be welcome !!

2) By the way, you misunderstood me. I didn't mean a report regarding the B787, but that te A380 progress should be presented with much detail (or at least some of it) as it is be done for the B787.
The main question: how is the certification going ??

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:17 am

Is it possible to book now on SQ A380 services. I looked on the SQ website for SIN-SYD and SIN-LHR flights from December through March and cannot find any A380 flights.

Does anybody know which SQ flights to these destinations will be A380?
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 7):
Can you share with us some source of theses rumors?

Just check the titles of the threads in this forum the past few weeks.  Smile

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 7):
The main question: how is the certification going?

Probably slow, since there isn't a complete plane to do any real certification testing on. The parts for the static test frames are inbound at the moment.

IAD787's FlightBlogger site will probably be the best source of information on the 787 program.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
SIN-SYD-SIN.

December 2007/January 2008, most likely, since they will need some time to acclimate themselves to it once they take delivery in October 2007 before they start revenue passenger service.

Some comments said that SQ wanted to take advantage of the Years end traffic, which coincides with you above estimation

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 8):
Is it possible to book now on SQ A380 services. I looked on the SQ website for SIN-SYD and SIN-LHR flights from December through March and cannot find any A380 flights.

Factually I looked until the max. available End June 2008 and all I see are are B774 and B777. This includes HK and Tokyo.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Can you share with us some source of theses rumors?

Just check the titles of the threads in this forum the past few weeks

You do not refer to the emphatically denied delay because of fitting of parts ?? Boeing would be crazy to deny this if there were some truth in it.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Probably slow, since there isn't a complete plane to do any real certification testing on. The parts for the static test frames are inbound at the moment

It was said that the plane is nearly ready today, so that testing could begin very soon. Can somebody indicate if the MSN can already fly as it is today ?? If not, when ?? I assume that many test can only be made after that ??

Why Airbus is not allowing somebody similar to the very efficient friend SEACHAZ, who informs us step by step of the progress of
the B787 to give at least some info ?? Because If this does not become available
* what you say of the slow progress of the certification
* the really strange absence of reference to the A380 (and MSN3) -not even a short comment- in the Booking page of ^^SQ (except a photo, stating that is it already painted and that they will follow up !!!)
* the somewhat complicated justification of the wiring of the units until MSN25, obviously a very sensible issue.
* the also unusual statement of EK that after pressuring for any possible acceleration of delivery they are now ^^not willing to receive their first units in January or February, if then ready, but request to made their own tests until ^^fall 2008 first
* the past comment of a high level Airbus manager that the existing labor unrest could induce delays.

it will be unavoidable that comments will arise that a new problem seems to be arisen, this being not based on rumors but on above factual statements. To be secretive in such situation can be deadly!

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[Edited 2007-06-29 08:29:17]

[Edited 2007-06-29 08:30:22]
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
You do not refer to the emphatically denied delay because of fitting of parts ?? Boeing would be crazy to deny this if there were some truth in it.

None of these news reports and analysis offer itemized specifics why Boeing is up to four months behind schedule, just that they are. *shrug*

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
It was said that the plane is nearly ready today, so that testing could begin very soon. Can somebody indicate if the MSN can already fly as it is today ?? If not, when ?? I assume that many test can only be made after that ??

Well the first plane is still missing a chunk of her internal wiring, which will be added after the formal roll-out ceremony, so I do not believe she is ready to certify much outside her physical dimensions, maybe.  Smile
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Well the first plane is still missing a chunk of her internal wiring, which will be added after the formal roll-out ceremony, so I do not believe she is ready to certify much outside her physical dimensions, maybe

Just to avoid misunderstandings; You are speaking of the A380 MSN3 ??

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 12):
Just to avoid misunderstandings; You are speaking of the A380 MSN3 ??

No, 787 LN1.

MSN003 is "wiring complete".
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Rw774477 (Reply 2):
ZRH

A couple of weeks ago i read an interview where SQ's COO said that ZRH is indeed on the list of proposed A380 destinations. I can hardly believe that though and don't think we'll see an SQ A380 here anytime soon. He also said that they're planning to go twice daily to ZRH soon. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

However if you want to see an A380 at ZRH, i know for a fact that EK is planning to bring the A380 to ZRH once daily in favor of the current twice daily A345/A332/A343 mix. Pretty sure that they won't be able to fill it, but seeing as EK's strategy is basically just throw as much overcapacity on the market as possible, I'm pretty confident that we will see their A380s here sooner or later.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:02 am

As I want to be very accurate with my statements, after hearing some comments I reedit my Reply 10 and add the assovcated questions regarding the A380 MSN3

1) The final certificaction process is progressing only slowly
Questions:
Q) Why, if true ?

2) The SQ Internet site section for Bookings up to End June 2008 list all available flights from SIN to SYD, HK, LHR, Tokyo, etc. either with B774 or 777 (some A340), none with A380. The A380 is only referred by a photo, stating it isalready painted and that they will follow up.
Q) Explanation, especially because a short time before it was stated that they insisit on the delivery in October 07
in order to use it for flights to Sydney in the coming years end season.

3) Airbus has supplied an explanation, which some consider confuse, regarding the different wiring procedure for the units up to MSN 25
Q) Assuming the wiring is already complete, are the certifiable drawing and details already available and if not, when?

4) EK has stated that they will not receive their frames before fall 2008, even if the first of them could be ready by Jan/Feb., as they want to use the interval for trining and tests, this being strange given their previous urgency.
Q) Could eventually the booking facts shown in 2, mean that SQ will proceed similarly ??

5) A Airbus manager responsible for manufacturing stated a few weeks ago that the existing labor unrest could result in general delivery delays
Q) which is the today's situation ??

6)
Q) Which are the tentative dates for MSN3 for fully asembling, first fully equipped flight, fina;l certification and delivery to cutomer date ?

When responding please mention the source of the information

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
When responding please mention the source of the information

Why dont you start and tell us where you read this:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
5) A Airbus manager responsible for manufacturing stated a few weeks ago that the existing labor unrest could result in general delivery delays
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
B774



Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
B774

 confused 

Lets get it right the third time around...
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 12):
Just to avoid misunderstandings; You are speaking of the A380 MSN3 ??



Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
No, 787 LN1.

The mother of all misunderstandings...  spin 
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16):
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
5) A Airbus manager responsible for manufacturing stated a few weeks ago that the existing labor unrest could result in general delivery delays

quote=SandroZRH,reply=16]Why dont you start and tell us where you read this:

see: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...rbus'%202007%20Delivery%20Targets

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 17):
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
B774



Lets get it right the third time around

To please you I confirm it was a misspeller of N744

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 15):
Q) Which are the tentative dates for MSN3 for fully asembling, first fully equipped flight, fina;l certification and delivery to cutomer date ?

It's still October 2007 per Airbus.

http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos..._file_Airbus_Letter_April_2007.pdf
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRHeft07/FRH0707/FR0707f.htm

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 19):
see: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...rgets

Since MSN003 is already completed, the strikes won't have any impact on her delivery even if they shut down production on the entire A388 line.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:59 pm

quote=Stitch,reply=21]It's still October 2007 per Airbus.

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http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRHeft07/FRH0707/FR0707f.htm[/quote]

Extracts of the FlugRevue July in English and questions.
Possibly this article is confuse because of bad translation. I would appreciate if I could see the German text. I am not able to find the Flug Revue July in German on Internet

1) The giant bird had left its paint hangar to be towed to the hangar for internal cabin furnishing, albeit without its Trent engines. This was one reason why Airbus had ruled out the possibility of including this particular aircraft in the pair to be taken to the Paris Air Show. A second reason why it cannot be spared at the moment is that prior to handover to the customer this A380, the first with the upgraded cable harnesses, is to be used for the certification programme and the final production go-ahead
:
?) The internal cabin furnishing will be initiated now. The Engines are not installed. This, aside seeming to contradict the statement below that the cabin is installed, would mean that the wiring cannot have been completed, because such includes the cockpit, the Engines and all the cabin extern part.

2) The cabin is installed, the paintwork was finished at the beginning of May and now we have the certification test. We are sorting out a lot of minor teething problems and we are updating the software to the latest release. First we will test the specific SIA cabin configuration, and then the validation and certification work will take another few weeks.
:
?) And now we have the certification test? But as said in the followed phrase, this work cannot be initiated before the specific SIA cabin configuration test.

3).A transnational team is meanwhile transcribing the digital mock-up, i.e. the central electronic assembly plan for the A380, for fuselage sections 13 and 18 into the now standard new software version.
:
?) It should be clarified how the wiring and control circuits were installed without having available the new software and more so, it cannot be tested without the mentioned update (when ??)

4) First we will deliver the A380-800, and in as mature a condition as possible, and then we will ask the airlines what they want
:
?) If the MSN3 is to be delivered to SIA in October, it must be in the definitive form. Therefore it is not understandable what the phrase "in as mature condition as possible" means. That the final version will be executed in Singapore ??. To be honest I am baffled by this !

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting Rw774477 (Reply 2):
ZRH /

ZRH is now served by 77W on a daily basis. ZRH will not get the 380. Loads to ZRH are good but SQ is focusing in the up front business.

Quoting Rw774477 (Reply 2):
EWR

This route is currently covered with 345, nonstop flight to/from SIN.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Once SQ has three birds and trained/familiarized crews to operate them, they will start SYD-SIN-LHR and then SYD-HKG-LHR service

SQ does not fly SYD-HKG-LHR.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
replacing all their 744s on those routes

Some current 744 routes will be replaced by the 77W.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
and probably SIN-ICN-SFO services

This sector is currently served by the 77W as well.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 23):
Loads to ZRH are good but SQ is focusing in the up front business.

Sorry for the stupid newbie question, but: what is the meaning of "up front business"?

Thanks!

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14):
However if you want to see an A380 at ZRH, i know for a fact that EK is planning to bring the A380 to ZRH once daily in favor of the current twice daily A345/A332/A343 mix.

Very nice, thanks for the info... I'm very much looking forward to see an EK A380 here. I might even become slighty weird(er) yet and start some planespotting of my own (I wonder if EK will keep the very bold Emirates sign at the bottom of the A380).

ZHR DXB SYD BKK DXB ZRH, all on EK A380... Yay!
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:44 pm

For those who want to be on the inaugural flight, this is what's posted on SQTalk so I guess tha inaugural flight won't be just everybody's flight.

http://www.sqtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1645

Attention shoppers! Attention the A380 fans who want to take inaugural flights!
Please dig into your deep pockets! The first flight seats will be on sale by auction for a charity. Forget about those F, A, C, D, Y fares. Forget about that you have confirmed booking in certain flight at certain time coincides with the inaugural flight. To be on the A380 inaugural flight, you have to submit a bidding for charity organization.
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting Philzh (Reply 24):
Sorry for the stupid newbie question, but: what is the meaning of "up front business"?

Sorry, i meant First & Business Class. I mean SQ is targeting at First & Business Class passengers. Another reason that the 77W is deployed on the SIN/ZRH is to drive yields up in all classes.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
December 2007/January 2008, most likely, since they will need some time to acclimate themselves to it once they take delivery in October 2007 before they start revenue passenger service.

EIS should be about one month after first delivery. I expect EIS to probably be in November.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Once SQ has three birds and trained/familiarized crews to operate them, they will start SYD-SIN-LHR and then SYD-HKG-LHR service, replacing all their 744s on those routes. Then they will start replacing their 744s on the SIN-HKG-SFO and probably SIN-ICN-SFO services, as well as SIN-NRT-LAX. Not sure how FRA-SIN is in terms of loads, but JFK-FRA is often empty in First when I fly, so SIN-FRA-JFK may become a 77W route or we may see an A380 on it, as well.

SYD-SIN-LHR should start about February. SQ will definitely not be flying SYD-HKG-LHR in any aircraft. SIN-ICN-SFO has been served by 777s, not 747s for years. SIN-FRA loads and yields are good, but the FRA-JFK tag has poor loads and poor yields. I can imagine SQ serving FRA 3x daily 777-300ERs with one continuing to JFK.

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 8):
Is it possible to book now on SQ A380 services. I looked on the SQ website for SIN-SYD and SIN-LHR flights from December through March and cannot find any A380 flights.

SQ have not yet scheduled any WhaleJet services.

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 8):
Does anybody know which SQ flights to these destinations will be A380?

SQ322 and SQ317 are expected to be the first LHR flights served by the WhaleJet.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14):
i read an interview where SQ's COO said that ZRH is indeed on the list of proposed A380 destinations. I can hardly believe that though and don't think we'll see an SQ A380 here anytime soon. He also said that they're planning to go twice daily to ZRH soon. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Considering that SQ recently downgauged ZRH from the 747-400 to the 777-300ER, upgauging to the WhaleJet seems unlikely.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14):
i know for a fact that EK is planning to bring the A380 to ZRH once daily in favor of the current twice daily A345/A332/A343 mix. Pretty sure that they won't be able to fill it

One can always fill a WhaleJet. The problem is filling it with satisfactory yields.

Quoting Philzh (Reply 24):
what is the meaning of "up front business"?

First and Business classes.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 26):
Sorry, i meant First & Business Class. I mean SQ is targeting at First & Business Class passengers.

Ah, OK, thank you for the clarification.

I guess ZRH is one of those places where airlines can and do get quite a lot of premium pax traffic.
When one of the few 77W with the new F and J classes were deployed to ZRH (and CDG I think?), SQ did quite a bit of advertising; actually, there's still the occasional half-page J-class ad to be found here and there.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 27):
Considering that SQ recently downgauged ZRH from the 747-400 to the 777-300ER, upgauging to the WhaleJet seems unlikely

They didn't introduce the 773ER to downgrade their service, but much more to offer a better premium classes product. Also, they "downgraded" to 773 with the idea of offering double daily flights from early 2008. So yes, the A380 would be an option in the future.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 29):
They didn't introduce the 773ER to downgrade their service

I didn't write "downgrade." I wrote "downgauge."
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:52 pm

you will most lilkely not find A380 in any res system until the aircraft at least has certificattion.

Only then can SQ timetable the aircraft into its system. Even then they may wait till they have received their second aircraft before they can confirm a guaranteed schedule due to training etc.

Although they have said SIN-SYD-SIN will be their first route to operate that wouldn't stop them putting it on any other route on an adhoc service for familiarisation would it?
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 30):

I didn't write "downgrade." I wrote "downgauge."

In the end you meant about the same. Do you have anyhting else to add?
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
In the end you meant about the same.

Rubbish. I've flown SQ's 777-300ERs in both F and C. They are most certainly not a downgrade from SQ's 747-400 service. Downgauge has a very well understood meaning in the airline industry: replacement of a larger aircraft with a smaller aircraft. Downgrade means to replace something with something else that is inferior in quality or capability.

ps: My favorite new feature on SQ's 777-300ERs is being able to switch on a Do Not Disturb light.  cloudnine 
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 31):
ou will most lilkely not find A380 in any res system until the aircraft at least has certificattion.

The aircraft was certified by both EASA & FAA in Dec 06! SQ can operate it as soon as Airbus can deliver them an aircraft that they can certify meets the type cert.

SIN-SYD-SIN is to be the first "scheduled" service. I would bet than KUL, JKT & BKK will see it on ad hoc proving flights first.

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:42 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):

Alright, sir. I'll rephrase: They didn't downgage their service, a sthats actually what i meant. Now read my answers above, and you might find out why.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
I've flown SQ's 777-300ERs in F

Waste of money Big grin
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 35):
They didn't downgage (sic) their service

SQ did in fact downgauge their ZRH service from the 747-400 to the smaller 777-300ER in January 2007.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 35):
Waste of money

Sour grapes.  Smile
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 35):
They didn't downgage their service, a sthats actually what i meant. Now read my answers above, and you might find out why.

Going from a 375-seat 744 to a 278-seat 77W is a downguage in service in terms of the number of seats flown. It is also an upgrade in service in terms of the quality of the seating.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
SQ did in fact downgauge their ZRH service from the 747-400 to the smaller 777-300ER in January 2007

Ah no shit? I would know as i see it fly over my house each day. But if you had read my previous posts, i did mention that they're preparing to go twice daily in early 2008. So yes they might have "downgaauged" their service for a short period of time, just to increase capacity soon after. Did you get it know, or is more explanation needed? Big grin

Quoting Stitch (Reply 37):
Going from a 375-seat 744 to a 278-seat 77W is a downguage in service in terms of the number of seats flown. It is also an upgrade in service in terms of the quality of the seating.

Read above.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
Sour grapes.

I have flown F class before and fly C class regularely on longhaul, but nice try Big grin
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 38):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
Sour grapes.

I have flown F class before and fly C class regularely on longhaul, but nice try

So what you mean is either that SQs F class is not worth its price, or that their J class is so good that there's no need for F?

Oh, and you must be up quite early every day to see SQs bird fly over your house  Smile
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 20):
To please you I confirm it was a misspeller of N744

It was not just to please me... I bet you I would need my toes as well as hands to count how many misunderstandings/confused people (including me) have been in this thread. Sorry if it seems like I was nitpicking but when you do something like put "B774" (or "N744" now) more than once, people start to get confused.
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 40):
It was not just to please me

Understood. No problem

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 27):
EIS should be about one month after first delivery. I expect EIS to probably be in November.

Do they expect a "soft EIS" where they sub the jet onto existing routes for training before scheduling it on a daily route? I heard LH would be doing this with the A380. I assume they could sub it out for a 77W and offer the same GRADE of service or better.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
In the end you meant about the same. Do you have anyhting else to add?

You have a big ol tude there. Z did NOT mean what you said, so being smarmy about it doesn't help you.

gage is referring to size, not service/quality.

grade refers to service/quality, not size.

if you can't understand the difference, that's your problem. but the language is quite clear.
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Do they expect a "soft EIS" where they sub the jet onto existing routes for training before scheduling it on a daily route?

No. The plan is to spend about a month training the crews and then start daily service SIN-SYD-SIN.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
gage is referring to size, not service/quality.

grade refers to service/quality, not size.

if you can't understand the difference, that's your problem. but the language is quite clear.

 rotfl  Oh really? Yes i did missunderstand him at first, but that has long cleared up, however you still dont seem understand what SQ really intends to do and will do. They will eventually increase capacity even though they have downgauged their service for now, which leads me to believe that the A380 is indeed an option in the future.

But hey if you cant understand it, that's your problem  laughing 

Besides, this was between me and Z.

Quoting Philzh (Reply 39):
So what you mean is either that SQs F class is not worth its price, or that their J class is so good that there's no need for F?

F class generally isn't worth the price, but thats just my opinion. Yes i have flown in F, but never paid full price, and besides you can get quality service in J for a lot less. Sometimes i have the impression that some people fly F just to show off Big grin

Quoting Philzh (Reply 39):
Oh, and you must be up quite early every day to see SQs bird fly over your house

 Confused It departs what, 1ish? I dont know how long you sleep, but i'm up at 13:00 Big grin
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:00 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 44):
It departs what, 1ish? I dont know how long you sleep, but i'm up at 13:00

Ah, of course, apologies... I was thinking of the incoming plane, having been trained by the media to only have the "Südschneisers" in mind. Apologies, I was not trying in infer anything about your daily routine Big grin

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
?) The internal cabin furnishing will be initiated now. The Engines are not installed. This, aside seeming to contradict the statement below that the cabin is installed, would mean that the wiring cannot have been completed, because such includes the cockpit, the Engines and all the cabin extern part.

All wiring has been fixed and the cabin has been installed. Just because the engines have been removed doesnt mean the rest of the aircraft is incomplete.

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
2) The cabin is installed, the paintwork was finished at the beginning of May and now we have the certification test. We are sorting out a lot of minor teething problems and we are updating the software to the latest release. First we will test the specific SIA cabin configuration, and then the validation and certification work will take another few weeks.
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?) And now we have the certification test? But as said in the followed phrase, this work cannot be initiated before the specific SIA cabin configuration test.

I think they do mean cabin certification test. Anyone got any more info?

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Trent900 (Reply 46):
All wiring has been fixed and the cabin has been installed. Just because the engines have been removed doesnt mean the rest of the aircraft is incomplete.

The article does not say that ALL wiring was fixed and installed, only refers to the "cabin" installation. Neither it says that the engines were already in place before being removed for some reason.
I am not denying what you state, only that it is not supported by the article

Anyway, I think thay the more relevant questions of my Reply 22 are the No.3, related to the update and transcription of the modified software, and No.4. about what John Leahy's declaration "First we will deliver the A380-800, and in as mature a condition as possible, and then we will ask the airlines what they want", means

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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:05 am

I'm going to guess that SQ will fly the A380-800 on the SQ 001/002 route (SIN-HKG-SFO) probably starting early fall 2008. Whether that will beat QF flying the A388 on the SYD/MEL-LAX route is still an unknown given the slow delivery rate of the A388 during 2008.
 
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RE: Any Details Of First A380 Service?

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 47):
The article does not say that ALL wiring was fixed and installed, only refers to the "cabin" installation.

Because the cabin wiring was what needed to be fixed. The rest of the wiring was fine since it would be a little hard for MSN003 to make all the flights she had the past two years if she was missing flight-control and system wiring.  Wink

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 47):
Neither it says that the engines were already in place before being removed for some reason.

SQ might want brand-new engines installed for delivery vs. engines that have been used for two years for testing and exhibition. Or they may be taking the original engines, but want them overhauled/checked.