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Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:18 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070625/lam113.html?.v=57

A major announcement on a new international service (Seems to be a heavyweight one since it use the word"major") is to be announced on Wednesday 27JUN07.

No hints, of course.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:24 am

Quite likely DFW-LHR by AA since it's been in the works and along with RDU, the only city AA does not already fly to from Heathrow. Can't imagine anything else, especially since the announcement is being made from London. Someone might say Virgin, but I really don't see that happening.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:28 am

Virgin......... Anyone? I need DFW-MAD but thats wishfull thinking....  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:38 am

Shouldn't that be Dallas/Forth Worth to announce ...

When you write Dallas I expect to hear about WN flying to China or something  Wink
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:41 am

Being that the announcement will be made from the UK, I would assume that it will be the announcement of nonstop service between Dallas and Heathrow.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:46 am

I could see it being AA to Heathrow, although calling that "new international service" when it would presumably just replace all or most of AA's existing DFW-Gatwick schedule is a bit disingenous. If, indeed, it is AA to Heathrow, it will be interesting to find out where they got the LHR slots from to make the service work -- will they cannibalize another route, or will they bite the bullet and buy the slots at LHR?

Beyond AA to Heathrow, I could also see it being new Aer Lingus flights to Dublin to feed into AA's hub, as the two still have a sizeable codesharing relationship and Aer Lingus could further build on Dublin's place as a low-fare access point to mainland Europe and the British Isles.

I could also see it being JAL resuming flying to DFW with perhaps 3-4x weekly 777s to NRT. While some might think I'm nuts, I've long expected that at some point in the future, JAL would be coming back because of their strong alliance with AA, and especially now with their entrance into oneworld.

Finally, while this is a bit more far-fetched, perhaps this could also be QANTAS' big moment to finally announce what everyone expects and knows is coming: a 747 flight directly into DFW, overflying LAX, and plugging Australia into the second largest hub in the U.S., with vastly larger access to the eastern U.S. than LAX could ever provide.

Who knows? Maybe it is going to be something completely unexpected that will throw all of us experts here on A.net off completely!

Should be interesting!
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:49 am

The real shocker would be if it was Air India announcing it chose DFW over us down here in Houston to route India flights via LHR to DFW. My guess is its AA or BA going LHR-DFW.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:53 am

Watch this... they'll announce an AC flight between DFW-YYC/YVR or another Mexicana city.  

Pretty much, I think it comes down to one of five options:

1) Service to China on a Chinese carrier. AA would be less than happy.

2) Skyteam to Europe: AF restarting service to CDG, or KL to AMS. This one is doubtful, as European carriers tend not to launch new routes in the fall or winter to North America (which is most likely when this new route will be launched).

3) JL coming back to DFW. This has one been rumored since the building of Terminal D.

4) QF to DFW. Another heavily rumored flight. Who knows when those 772LRs are being delivered anyway?

5) Air India opting for DFW over IAH, via who the heck knows (probably LHR).

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
to route India flights via LHR to DFW.

...why would they want to do that now, when AA/BA can actually counter them on equal footing?
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
Watch this... they'll announce an AC flight between DFW-YYC/YVR or another Mexicana city

LOL, or better yet finally entering the YEG market again  Smile
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:05 am

I'm with Commavia on this one, I think its going to be QF announcing DFW service
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
2) Skyteam to Europe: AF restarting service to CDG, or KL to AMS. This one is doubtful, as European carriers tend not to launch new routes in the fall or winter to North America (which is most likely when this new route will be launched).

I think AF announced they're restarting DFW a few weeks ago.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:06 am

How about AA starting service DFW-MAN?

I don't have any inside info, but I would think it is a possibility given how vague the press release is.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27J

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:10 am

Is there some sort of international airport conference going on in the UK on Wednesday? Because aside from that, why would DFW Airport announce a new international service in Britain that isn't routed in some manner through/from that country? That is to say, shouldn't we rule out new services to Asia/Australia?
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
QF to DFW. Another heavily rumored flight. Who knows when those 772LRs are being delivered anyway?

Excuse me, but I don't believe QF has even ordered the 777-200LR.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
When you write Dallas I expect to hear about WN flying to China or something

Yeah...I thought the same thing....WN announcing Dallas to Mexico service.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 14):

Oops, never really paid attention to whatever happened to the QF 772LR rumors.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
I could also see it being JAL resuming flying to DFW with perhaps 3-4x weekly 777s to NRT. While some might think I'm nuts, I've long expected that at some point in the future, JAL would be coming back because of their strong alliance with AA, and especially now with their entrance into oneworld.

I agree with you. Just a matter of time before we see JAL back in DFW.

But my instinct tells me it going to be Virgin. If it was AA why wouldn't they announce from DFW. My money is on Virgin LGW-DFW is preforming quite well for AA & BA and there is plenty of room for more competition. Not sure about BA but AA is oversold on almost a daily basis now. Seeing AF back in DFW would also be nice but i dont see that happening yet.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting MastaHanky (Reply 11):
I think AF announced they're restarting DFW a few weeks ago.

Nope. I doubt you'll see AF restarting DFW anytime soon. The market is developing, but there is still not enough O&D coming out of DFW support the flight, and O&D is now all the flight will have to depend on, along with connections over CDG, as Delta has pulled their DFW hub and a huge amount of feed with it.

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 17):
But my instinct tells me it going to be Virgin. If it was AA why wouldn't they announce from DFW. My money is on Virgin LGW-DFW is preforming quite well for AA & BA and there is plenty of room for more competition. Not sure about BA but AA is oversold on almost a daily basis now.

Possible, I suppose, but I highly, highly doubt it.

Not only would Virgin be stupid to go up against AA/BA on their largest hub-to-hub route (London-DFW), but they would also have to know that the market is well served as it is. The lift AA and BA put in the market (3 daily 777s) is plenty to handle demand.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 18):
Not only would Virgin be stupid to go up against AA/BA on their largest hub-to-hub route (London-DFW), but they would also have to know that the market is well served as it is.

Doesnt VS do that on a daily basis with JFK-LHR?

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 19):
Doesnt VS do that on a daily basis with JFK-LHR?

No, they don't.

Allow me to rephrase: VS would be stupid to go up against AA/BA on the route linking their two largest respective hubs -- London (Gatwick, likely soon to be Heathrow for both AA/BA) and Dallas/Fort Worth. There is just no way the market could support another airline.

DFW-London is completely different that New York-London. New York-London is far larger, far busier, and far more premium.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:49 am

My bet would be KLM to Amsterdam!!!
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 18):
Nope. I doubt you'll see AF restarting DFW anytime soon. The market is developing, but there is still not enough O&D coming out of DFW support the flight, and O&D is now all the flight will have to depend on, along with connections over CDG, as Delta has pulled their DFW hub and a huge amount of feed with it.

I just remembered where I read it:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3165125/

Of course, since it's not an official announcement, it doesn't really count.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:05 am

Hmmmm.......Im not really sure if it will be an destination served by AA. If it were, why would it be done from England?

I really would think that VS would be a mistake.

I ve always thought that AA should serve either MAD or BRU from DFW, but I dont think thats the case if its being done from England.

My guess is that they are going to formally announce LHR service. Of course its been known for sometime that BA will serve DFW from LHR when Open skies take effect.

AF has been rumored, but DFW is a huge one world fortress, why would AF try and take on that?

QF would be nice, but due to lack of aircraft, I dont see it.

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
I ve always thought that AA should serve either MAD or BRU from DFW, but I dont think thats the case if its being done from England.

AA has done both in the past, and both routes performed very very poorly. AA will be dropping DFW-ZRH in the near future, so I think its unlikely that AA will be adding European destination out of DFW.

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Dallas getting direct service into Heathrow after all of these years is a pretty big deal, so as I said above, thats what I think the announcement from the UK will be: AA and BA both announcing that there London services will be transferring from Gatwick to Heathrow. Lots of talk about endless connection possibilities now available via LHR, etc, etc.

As for the QF thing, that would be a big deal and it has been discussed/rumored for years, but neither AA or QF have an aircraft that can handle the route nonstop......and its been reported that flying DFW-AKL-SYD is nonstarter.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:51 am

I guess the announcement will be the switch from Gatwick to Heathrow, which is a huge deal, but I agree that the title of both this thread and of the news headline would lead us to believe otherwise. But the fact that Fegan is in the UK to announce the route means it's probably BA/AA to Heathrow.

Man, what a teaser if that's what the announcement is. I had visions of EI / IB / CX / QF / JL dancing in my head. I still say JAL or CX to DFW would work. There just aren't that many nonstop flights to Hong Kong for anyone not in Southern California, Chicagoland, or the east coast.

I'm a bit surprised we haven't yet heard from MAH on this topic. He usually chimes in with a doomsday theory about DFW.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
Dallas getting direct service into Heathrow after all of these years is a pretty big deal,

I agree with you. But It will be a disappointment in my opinion if DFW doesn't announce a new carrier or an old carrier starting service again.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 17):
I agree with you. Just a matter of time before we see JAL back in DFW.

If JAL returns to DFW, perhaps AA will go back down to 1 daily NRT non-stop freeing up a 777 (or two?) since they can code-share on each other's flight.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:58 am

Doomsday? Try a reality check, even though thats not what some Dallas fans like to hear. People have been pretty spot on with their guesses.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Doomsday? Try a reality check, even though thats not what some Dallas fans like to hear. People have been pretty spot on with their guesses.

I'm just curious, what do you have against Dallas? Have you ever been here before?
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:50 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
When you write Dallas I expect to hear about WN flying to China or something

SWA is re-starting DAL-BPT service..  Wink
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:31 pm

QF would be great, but as has been said available planes could be a problem. Im going with VS and the first service will coincide with Virgin America starting service to DFW sometime in the near future. Way off no doubt but thought I'd throw in my  twocents 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:16 pm

My wish is LH to MUC  Smile but I don't see that happening ....

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 32):
My wish is LH to MUC but I don't see that happening ....

That would be awesome, non-stop flight to Oktoberfest
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 33):
That would be awesome, non-stop flight to Oktoberfest

Yeah, but I don't see anyone operating that route only 3 weeks per annum  Smile

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:33 pm

Maybe it is just coincidence, that they want to announce on the 27th, but it strikes me as interesting that Lufthansa will be holding a press conference on their new international strategy on the 28th. I could just see Lufthansa having something to do with this and DFW simply wanting to be first to announce it. But that is just pure speculation.

Of course it doesn't seem too awfully likely that LH would introduce new routes ex DFW (DUS comes to mind as possible destination), because there isn't a sufficient Star Alliance presence at DFW - in fact it is almost nil.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:45 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 34):
Yeah, but I don't see anyone operating that route only 3 weeks per annum

SailorOrion

LH's DFW-FRA flight has very high loads, just like the AA flight. I took both the number of times and they are almost always full.

I wonder if Munchen can be sustained 4X weekly
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:12 pm

pardon me for asking a stupid question, but does the 744 even have the range to fly SYD-DFW without making a stop in LA or perhaps HNL?
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:20 pm

Seeing as the announcment is going to made in London surely its got to be AA flying LHR-DFW and possibly BA following suit.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
I could also see it being JAL resuming flying to DFW with perhaps 3-4x weekly 777s to NRT. While some might think I'm nuts, I've long expected that at some point in the future, JAL would be coming back because of their strong alliance with AA, and especially now with their entrance into oneworld.



Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
Finally, while this is a bit more far-fetched, perhaps this could also be QANTAS' big moment to finally announce what everyone expects and knows is coming: a 747 flight directly into DFW, overflying LAX, and plugging Australia into the second largest hub in the U.S., with vastly larger access to the eastern U.S. than LAX could ever provide.

But then why would the announcement be made in London for these routes? It wouldn't make sense.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 8):
why would they want to do that now, when AA/BA can actually counter them on equal footing?

I don't know......VS may have a shot, abet a long one at making a profitable route, esp if they choose to code share with some else (think ATA, or similar.....)

I can see DFW only getting bigger however, in term of international traffic. For one reason, changing at ORD and JFK both can be a royal pain. With the new construction in DFW, it may open itself up not only as a destination in its own right for biz, but also as a transfer point w/in Tex, AA flights to Mexico, AA to HI, and other similar flights.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:48 pm

Quoting QF108 (Reply 31):
QF would be great, but as has been said available planes could be a problem. Im going with VS and the first service will coincide with Virgin America starting service to DFW sometime in the near future.

I know I'm a "dreamer", but what about the possibility of AA metal operating DFW-SYD due to QF's shortage of equipment? I believe we still have a few 777's on the order books.....right?? Although, with the current pilot contract issues, we may not see any ultra long-range flying until the ink is dry on a new contract. Remember the whole DFW-PEK/amended DOT application fiasco?.....uggggghhhh!!!!!

One can always hope,

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:55 pm

Wow 40+ posts and nobody has mentioned bmi!

It wouldn't be at all surprising to see a BD LHR-DFW route. I know all the theory why it wouldn't work but perhaps it would ...
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:57 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 41):
It wouldn't be at all surprising to see a BD LHR-DFW route. I know all the theory why it wouldn't work but perhaps it would ...

i would be surprised to see BD annouce this route, very surprised...I think they will go for an easy money route first, so will announce something like LHR-JFK
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:23 pm

AA will annouce DFW - BHX - DFW, or VS will come to DFW
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting AA777LVR (Reply 40):
what about the possibility of AA metal operating DFW-SYD

That is a sight I'd like to see an AA777 in SYD, sadly though the fact they are announcing it in London means it has to be a European route.

Maybe Fedex to start Cargo Service LHR-DFW-MEM  Wink

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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 38):
Seeing as the announcment is going to made in London surely its got to be AA flying LHR-DFW and possibly BA following suit.

...except BA already announced some weeks back that they would be moving DFW, ATL and IAH service to LHR.

(Source : BA press releases)
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:55 pm

I would love it was EI to DUB, but that wont happen until next year! Sad
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:57 pm

I have absolutely nothing about Dallas and have been there many times. Just because I think in an unbiased and realistic way regarding Dallas' international services doesn't mean I have issues with the city.
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 38):
Seeing as the announcment is going to made in London surely its got to be AA flying LHR-DFW and possibly BA following suit.

Where did you get that the announcement was going to be made in London?

The press release only said that the announcement would be made from the UK.

This is what makes me think it might be a DFW-MAN or other secondary airport in the UK route, as everyone will assume LHR and LGW.
 
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RE: Dallas To Announce New Major Intl Route On 27JUN07

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
Shouldn't that be Dallas/Forth Worth to announce ...

When you write Dallas I expect to hear about WN flying to China or something

My thought exactly.

Is there any chance this could be DFW-SYD, by AA or QF?
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