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727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:33 am

Hi all,

this is my first post so be kind Big grin , i found this video of an old united airlines boeing 727 landing at Meigs field.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks

enjoy
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:37 am

Man...how many times did I try that as a kid in MS Flight Sim?

Awesome video. Love the bounce!
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:15 pm

In the video the chief test pilot says that the 727 could take off from Meigs Field. Is this true?

Was that landing even that great?
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:28 pm

That was one of the best news reports. Man I miss good journalism.
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting PIAflyer (Thread starter):
Hi all,

this is my first post so be kind ,

I will definately be kind. As a native Chicagoan that brings back great local aviation memories. Thank you for posting that!!! I miss the 727 and the old UA livery.

The exhibit, although no where near that of say The Museum of Flight or National Air and Space Museum, is still quite interesting. The last time I was there, they had a retired 727 757/767 pilot from UA there to answer everyone's questions. I probably asked more questions than anyone that day.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 1):
Man...how many times did I try that in MS Flight Sim?

Awesome video. Love the bounce!

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Heck...i finally gave up on trying it Big grin


Great video!


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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:42 pm

I think an empty 727 could take off from Meigs, but I doubt it would meet the balanced field requirements.

Miegs runway was about 3950ft.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:23 pm

Page 30 of this chart ( http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/planning/aeronaut/documents/5325-4A6.pdf ) shows a 727-100 can take off in as little 820m (2700ft) .

If I read the chart right you can go to 50k kg (110,000 lb) on 100 deg F at 500 feet elevation on 1200m (4000ft) of runway.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:56 pm

On the MS Flight Simulator I took of with a B722 many times...confess that it is not easy but there are some tips that were given to me by a B722 pilot.

On short runways normally they do not pressurize the aircraft while on ground. Normally they did it just after getting positive climb rate and gear up. But it was something they can´t forget to do it otherwise the oxygen masc would fall. Not pressurizing the aircraft while on ground would allow engines to have more power.
But this is something that on MS FS could not be done as in fact you will not see real results.

On the FS, the pilot told me that another practice was to start rolling with normal 20 degrees flap indication for takeoff and on a certain moment before rotate, they applied full flap and than the aircraft lifted off. After getting positive climb rate and the aircraft really flying, the flaps were retracted to normal position of 20 degrees for normal climb. I tried and it worked.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:27 am

Hey,

Great Video!

I noticed what looked like to small airline operated aircraft in the video. I saw a TWA Express plane and another that resembled Air Wisconsin, though I doubt it.

Did airlines operate out of Miegs in 1992 when this clip is from?

If so, does anyone know which ones, destinations served, etc?

Thanks,

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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:45 am

Anyone got pics of her in the Museum???

I think i may have to go there now to see it

Got given a DAN AIR 727 (G-BHVT) model for my 26th Birthday. I think the 72 is one of the best aircraft around, and glad to see she is still flying

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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:23 am

The 727-100 can easily get airborne at Meigs. As some of you pointed out it would have to be empty and probally enough fuel to get to ORD. Based on my old -200 charts the -200 with -9 engines needed 2500 to get airborne with 20000lbs of fuel on an 85 degree day with no pax and cargo. But as someone pointed it would not be a balanced field length which to you non pilots, means if you tried to abort the takeoff a very low reject(V1) speed, you will get wet!.. I have gotten airborne under 3000 feet many times in a -200 but we were light and usually a pretty good wind in the winter time. The best I have noted was flying a 767-300ER from JFK to BDL with 60 folks. We would do normal power takeoffs (if we were not getting a check ride) and rotate as we passed the 1500ft marker and be airborne well before 2000 ft on 13R. When we used 31L we would start to rotate as we passed 22R/4L and be well airborne when we got to the displaced threshold. Landing at BDL was just as good. We could roll the plane on soooo smoothly and with idle reverse use under 3000 ft using light braking.

You airplane watchers should watch a empty FedEx or UPS takeoff . Those planes are super light and my squadron(ANG) buddy says they are airborne under 2000 ft in there 727-100 and he says it is even shorter in the 757.

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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 10):
Did airlines operate out of Miegs in 1992 when this clip is from?

I believe UAX used to fly turboprops to Springfield, IL and East Lansing, MI from Meigs in the 90's.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Reltney (Reply 12):
You airplane watchers should watch a empty FedEx or UPS takeoff . Those planes are super light and my squadron(ANG) buddy says they are airborne under 2000 ft in there 727-100 and he says it is even shorter in the 757.

This is so true, I once watched a FedEX MD-11, stuffed with FLOWERS, take off in a few thousand feet in Hilo, and rocket what looked like straight up on it's way to Los Angeles. It's quite impressive!
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:08 am

The 727 was specifically built to be, for its time, overpowered to take off from airports that couldn't handle the aircraft of the era (707/dc-8) such as LGA. IIRC piolts have stated that the 727 was a hot rod for the era. Pity they are gone now. The -200 in particular looks like it's going supersonic sitting still.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
I believe UAX used to fly turboprops to Springfield, IL and East Lansing, MI from Meigs in the 90's.

Wasn't there are small airline that flew between Meigs & O'Hare(at a premium price)?

Quoting Zenarcade (Reply 2):
In the video the chief test pilot says that the 727 could take off from Meigs Field. Is this true?

Was that landing even that great?

12 knot crosswind with higher gusts, on 3400' long runway with no displaced threshold.

That landing was pretty sweet.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
i don't think so because no matter how empty a 727 is it takes alot of runway becuase of it's underpower engines

Are you serious...? 727s have operated on short runways for ages.

The 727, especially the original 727-100, was designed to use runways as short as 5000 ft and had excellent performance. I don't think any other commercial jet could match its runway performance at the time the 727-100 was introduced.
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:24 am

Great video. Thanks for sharing. I've been in it and never knew this how they got that aircraft to the museum. You'd think it would have been easier to disassemble it at ORD and truck it, but this method is way cooler.

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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
The 727, especially the original 727-100, was designed to use runways as short as 5000 ft and had excellent performance.

I remember flying Eastern ATL-DCA in July 1979 (I was 10 yrs old at the time) - we landed on runway 33 (5204ft / 1586m). The flaps were set to 40, and on short final, I thought to myself that if the windows could be opened, I might be able to reach down and scoop up water from the Potomac River. It seemed like all the pilots could do (brakes, spoilers, and reverse thrust) to bring the aircraft to a stop at the far end of the runway. I don't remember which variant, but I'm pretty sure it was a -200. Shortly after leaving the terminal, I noticed a DL 727-200 and some other airline's DC-9 taking off from 33. Must've been a stiff crosswind that afternoon...
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting Dash 80 (Reply 19):
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I've been in it and never knew this how they got that aircraft to the museum. You'd think it would have been easier to disassemble it at ORD and truck it, but this method is way cooler.

After it landed at Meigs it was loaded onto a barge and spent the winter at the Port of Indiana. In the spring it was taken back to Chicago off loaded and moved into the museum
 
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:40 am

Air Canada flew a DC-9 into Ottawa's Rockliffe Airport a few years ago just after it retired the last Nine. The aircraft was donated to the Canadian Aviation Museum located on the airport. The runway is only 3300 ft long (1000 meters); this would be a feat pretty similar to the 727 landing at Meigs.

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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:53 am

Thanks for sharing this video! There is one in the database of the aircraft in the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. I remember when they brought this plane across lake Shore drive at 57th street after being barged down the shoreline. They had to take the wings off and one or two of the pillars on the front of the museum just to bring it in.
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 10):
I noticed what looked like to small airline operated aircraft in the video. I saw a TWA Express plane and another that resembled Air Wisconsin, though I doubt it.

Did airlines operate out of Miegs in 1992 when this clip is from?

Actually both UAX and TWE did fly out of Miegs field for a time. UAX flew to Springfield, Illinois (and I believe TWE did as well). Actually UAX was still flying out of CGX as late as the year 2000 (I lived in a high rise apartment complex near Miegs at that time and I always remember seeing the UAX B-1900 flying out for SPI)

Still love Meigs, damn Daley for his gangster closing of the airport!!
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:45 am

Been in that bird. Granted, in its museum state.

Great vid, thanks for pointing it out.


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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 10):
Anyone got pics of her in the Museum???

Sure, there are some right here on a.net.


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They put on a great show with it. They make it sound like you're in the cockpit and you hear ATC clearing the plane for takeoff. They are even able to retract the flaps and gear for the show. If you get to Chicago I highly recommend going to the museum even if it's just to see the 727.

There use to be a large picture of the 727 landing at Meigs hanging on the wall in the terminal at Meigs. I was fortunate enough to fly in there in 2002 as part of my cross country trip requirement for my instrument rating. The picture no longer hangs in the terminal now known as a bird sanctuary. UGH
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting Reltney (Reply 11):
You airplane watchers should watch a empty FedEx or UPS takeoff . Those planes are super light and my squadron(ANG) buddy says they are airborne under 2000 ft in there 727-100 and he says it is even shorter in the 757.

Why would it leave empty? Is this not a waste of gas/Freight space?

Quoting Reltney (Reply 11):
If it aint Boeing, I aint going!

I can't agree more......after all, what other choices are there? LOL

Quoting Reltney (Reply 11):
Look at the performance of the Air Transit A 330 glider

Saw that on Discovery channel.....was an incredible bit of flying that pilot did. But I was glad NOT to be on that flight.
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RE: 727 At Meigs Field!

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:43 am

So I was not hallucinating! TWA did fly to Miegs.

Does anyone know when the TWA service began and ended? Schedules perhaps?

Thanks,

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