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Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:48 pm

QR 083 departed early at 08:39 local time for Newark Liberty International Airport via Geneva. This marks the start of Qatar Airways's North American destinations.

The flight is roughly 17 hours long with the stopover, I hope there are some spotters in Newark ready to take photos of the arrival.

 

Good Luck QR!

[Edited 2007-06-26 10:49:02]
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:15 pm

They are already having quite a hard time to operate with their lilliputian-sized hub which causes most of, if not all, the flights to be delayed and connections to be missed, I don't know how it's going to be like with additionnal destinations...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:49 pm

any info on the lestimated oads (bookings) for the first few weeks of operation?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:23 pm

why the GVA stop?
why not nonstop?
can they sell EWR - GVA?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 3):
why the GVA stop?
why not nonstop?

The State of Qatar and Switzerland signed a bi-lateral agreement allowing QR carriers of 5th freedom operations within Switzerland to the US.

QR currently doesnt have enough aircraft to do DOH-EWR nonstop, hence the GVA stop. Plus, GVA-EWR is a profitable route and QR hopes to steal some of the pax from CO and LX using thier superb service and superior aircraft.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 3):
can they sell EWR - GVA?

Yes.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 4):
CO and LX using thier superb service and superior aircraft.

superior service and in-flight product YES...

superior aircraft...NO as LX too uses an A 332 on the route but CO uses a B 767-400ER.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:39 pm

I know the IAD route has been given a non-stop, which i thought was interesting, that too, over EWR. Currently, there is no IAD-GVA service and i am sure QR would have also done well with a GVA stop en-route to IAD. I am assuming some sort of strategy when planning these flights  Smile
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Airlittoral (Reply 1):
They are already having quite a hard time to operate with their lilliputian-sized hub which causes most of, if not all, the flights to be delayed and connections to be missed, I don't know how it's going to be like with additionnal destinations...

*is v worried about the 1 hour 40 mins connection he has at DOH in nine days*
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
superior aircraft...NO as LX too uses an A 332 on the route but CO uses a B 767-400ER.

Superior equipped aircraft (i.e. better IFE and such), perhaps. Also, CO sometimes uses a 762 on EWR-GVA.

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Superior equipped aircraft (i.e. better IFE and such), perhaps.

That's what I meant; thanks.

The flight has landed in GVA and is now on its way to Newark.  Smile
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:17 am

Why cant they call it Newark? its a proper city its its own right.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:12 am

This marks a very significant chapter in QR's history-the begining of their services to the US.

Service wise QR is in a class of very few,personally i think their service is better then any airline i have travelled (and i have flown plenty) and the attention to detail is unparalled.They are my 2nd favourite airline after Etihad-nothing beats their flat-beds in J class.The perfect airline would have those seats and QR's service.

None the less godspeed to QR and wish them the best as they deserve no less.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:32 am

When I passed EWR before QR was not there (yet), however their advertising promoting the new flight are up and down the Turnpike and in todays NY Times.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
superior service and in-flight product YES...

superior aircraft...NO as LX too uses an A 332 on the route but CO uses a B 767-400ER.

Regarding Comfort and IFE especially Business Class of LX is currently inferior to QR but by thistime next year LX will hopefully have it's new Business Class and IFE for the A330's installed and then LX will be again able to fully compete with QR
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):
Why cant they call it Newark? its a proper city its its own right.

....probably because it's a New York City coterminal as designated by the DOT, PANYNJ, and nearly all aviation bilaterals in place with the USA.

The facts that it's positioned closer to the smaller city of Newark, NJ or in another state from its coterminals are, for all logistical purposes other than differentiated catchment, immaterial. Same with CVG. Same with IAD. Same with......
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 4):
QR hopes to steal some of the pax from CO and LX using thier superb service and superior aircraft.

I assume eventually it'll be a collaboration of QR and LX together.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
CO uses a B 767-400ER.

Exactly LOL. Better on the A330.. KIDDING

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 14):
Same with CVG. Same with IAD.

How is it the same with these?
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
When I passed EWR before QR was not there (yet), however their advertising promoting the new flight are up and down the Turnpike and in todays NY Times

i was just in EWR , and still no Qatar Bird , according to Flightview QR83 is estimated to arrive around 6:42 PM EST
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:34 am

Flight is scheduled to arrive 1858EDT.

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:39 am

I just noticed that QR is offering a fantastic J fare EWR-GVA roundtrip for US$1729 all-in (including taxes)! CO's discounted summer Business fare is easily $3400-$3500...no brainer here...as already mentioned here, QR's J service easily beats the pants off of CO's and LX's....
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:43 am

I stopped by again and watched everything, QR flight # 83 landed at 6:46 (according to my cars clock). I watched from my favorite spot on the Northside of the airport (sorry no photos), I then drove to Terminal B to check things out close up. She parked at gate 55, huge contingent of Port Authority and State Officials to greet some VIP's coming off the flight, I don't know who they are but they had a huge entourage of people with them. There was a line of 10-15 Limos parked in Front of the IAB at Terminal B, the Port Authority Police kept people off the sidewalks near the Limos.

The only person I recognized was that British Guy who works for CNN, the really loud weird guy who does alot of aviation stories. He was wearing a rain coat and a three piece suit, did he know how hot and humid it was outside? He had an entourage, plus he was one of the first people off the flight carrying a QR goodies bag.

As for the check -in areas, QR has EWR well staffed.It seemed they had more staff and positions than what was necessary, but I guess they want to go the extra mile. Lots of folks checking in for the departure.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 11):
Service wise QR is in a class of very few,personally i think their service is better then any airline i have travelled (and i have flown plenty) and the attention to detail is unparalled.They are my 2nd favourite airline after Etihad-nothing beats their flat-beds in J class.The perfect airline would have those seats and QR's service.

Well, in J...maybe. In Y, definitely not, it's more like they're trying their best but they're not quite at that level yet. I could go on and tell you the many little details that made me and my occasional co-flyers be very sceptic about QR quality of service.
But apart from that, the main problem on QR, is, as everyone will agree, the....D-E-L-A-Y-S!!! It is pure logic here: how can you possibly operate a large fleet and a worldwide network with such a small airport?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:19 pm

Here a few shots taken during the stop at GVA :

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6278/inaugural001wb6.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1913/msa7acfvacatepd7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7849/inaugural015df6.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9417/inaugural023py0.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9537/inaugural027gn6.jpg

Source : Geneva Spotters Association
Whatever
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting AirLittoral (Reply 21):
Well, in J...maybe. In Y, definitely not, it's more like they're trying their best but they're not quite at that level yet. I could go on and tell you the many little details that made me and my occasional co-flyers be very sceptic about QR quality of service.

My comments were for J specifically.On my multiple experiences on both airlines,never got the chance to sample Y or F.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:08 am

Great news!
Thanks for the info.

I am going to ride on the EWR-GVA leg.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 4):
The State of Qatar and Switzerland signed a bi-lateral agreement allowing QR carriers of 5th freedom operations within Switzerland to the US.

Which is ridiculous as they allow the oil-subsidised carriers to threaten their home carriers market rather than trying to project the company they have invested 2 billions in.

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):
Which is ridiculous as they allow the oil-subsidised carriers to threaten their home carriers market rather than trying to project the company they have invested 2 billions in.

True, that's so stupid man
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 26):
Which is ridiculous as they allow the oil-subsidised carriers to threaten their home carriers market rather than trying to project the company they have invested 2 billions in.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 26):
True, that's so stupid man

I think it is the wise decision that the Swiss government allows to bring much better service to Romandie. The Romaide is the step child of Swiss and I guess will always be.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):
Which is ridiculous as they allow the oil-subsidised carriers to threaten their home carriers market rather than trying to project the company they have invested 2 billions in.

= So its one government subsidized airline fighting another government subsidized airline. Why do you care so much? In the end, as a Swiss consumer, you win. Besides, LX is now technically German owned no?

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 16):
How is it the same with these?

...neither are in not only the city, but even the primary state/federal district, that they advertise in their namesake.

CVG isn't in Cincinnati, or even in Ohio; but rather Hebron, Kentucky. They do however, feature "Northern Kentucky" in their name and most of their PR.

Then there's Dulles, which isn't in DC; but rather Chantilly, Virginia. It's more or less equidistant from downtown DC as is its Maryland coterminal, Marshall. Come to think of it, Reagan is in Virginia as well.
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 28):
Why do you care so much?

Because the likes of QR, EK and EY are flooding the market with their oil-subsidized overcapacity and try to push "normal" airlines out of the market, simply because they can. It's just no fair competition and shouldn't be helped by our government.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 30):
Because the likes of QR, EK and EY are flooding the market with their oil-subsidized overcapacity and try to push "normal" airlines out of the market, simply because they can.

This thread sould interest you, if you haven't seen it already.
Backlash Against Middle East Super Carriers? (by Reggaebird Jun 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)

If the competition is unfair, countries or the EU should put it before the WTO.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 30):
Because the likes of QR, EK and EY are flooding the market with their oil-subsidized overcapacity and try to push "normal" airlines out of the market, simply because they can. It's just no fair competition and shouldn't be helped by our government.

= Or you could argue that the citizens of these countries should not buy the oil in the first place ... (see the slippery slope) ...

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 32):
Or you could argue that the citizens of these countries should not buy the oil in the first place ... (see the slippery slope)

Yes you could, and it would be absolutely amazing if we didnt need the oil. It's a damn shame how we're dependant on the oil countries. But you know it's not gonna happen sooner or later.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
The only person I recognized was that British Guy who works for CNN

That would be Richard Quest, the man with the most bizarre English accent ever. Please guys don't think that normal people speak like that. His programs on CNN are entertaining(ish) and the lucky sod gets to fly all the time...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 30):

Because the likes of QR, EK and EY are flooding the market with their oil-subsidized overcapacity and try to push "normal" airlines out of the market, simply because they can. It's just no fair competition and shouldn't be helped by our government.

Exactly, those Airlines are a big threat to Airlines like LX or any other major european cariers, the last thing our governments should do is to make it even easier for such cariers to enter our markets.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 28):

= So its one government subsidized airline fighting another government subsidized airline. Why do you care so much? In the end, as a Swiss consumer, you win. Besides, LX is now technically German owned no?

LX might be owned by germans nevertheless it is still a fully blooded Swiss Airline and will always remain as long as the Swiss management continues to do a good job and people fly them!!!
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 35):
LX might be owned by germans nevertheless it is still a fully blooded Swiss Airline and will always remain as long as the Swiss management continues to do a good job and people fly them!!!

= You do realize that non-Swiss fly Swiss right? Anyways, this is a silly argument. I am surprised that Switzerland (a country I have long admired for its relative openness) is being influenced by the rhetoric from its surrounding larger neighbors.

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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 36):
You do realize that non-Swiss fly Swiss right

What the hell has that got to do with wahat he was talking about?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 37):
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 36):
You do realize that non-Swiss fly Swiss right

What the hell has that got to do with wahat he was talking about?

Yeah really, did I ever say something like that...No. I am talking about the management, employees and the whole Swiss philosophy / products. In fact most of LX's passengers are foreigners!!!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways Starts New York (EWR) And Geneva

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 6):
I know the IAD route has been given a non-stop, which i thought was interesting, that too, over EWR. Currently, there is no IAD-GVA service and i am sure QR would have also done well with a GVA stop en-route to IAD. I am assuming some sort of strategy when planning these flights

Especially since they announced a code-share with United.
If not now, then when?

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