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Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:17 pm

The news broke here on local radio this morning that Southwest is in active talks with the airport management team here at DAY. No confirmation yet on a start date.

Possible routes would likelly include Nashville, Baltimore, Chicago/Midway and Dallas.

Considering FL's recent announcement of non-stop service to LAS last month, would Southwest possibly match Airtran on this route as well as Baltimore??
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:24 pm

They will more then likely match or try to have cheaper fares. Especially at the beginning. I hope they do come. They are a good airline.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:27 pm

It would seem to fit the Southwest Biz model......moderate size city, easy connections to other "hubs".
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:31 pm

They have done this before in talks with COS, MSP, etc etc etc.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:32 pm

The argument against such a move has been threefold:

1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller
2-FL has a growing presence here, now #2 in pax boardings and gaining rapidly on DL
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:44 pm

I would, without a shadow of doubt, welcome flights from here at BNA to DAY. That would almost make my day to be honest with you.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

That's the one I immediately thought of getting in the way. I just can't see them serving both.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:00 pm

More has appeared in the local paper, fair use:

Ahmad also said he has met twice this year with Southwest Airlines to discuss the possibility of service to Dayton. He believes there is a chance that the Dallas-based airline would consider serving Dayton at some point.

"Is there a chance? Yes. Have they promised anything? No," Ahmad said.

Southwest is unhappy about the recent startup in Columbus of Skybus, a competing low-fare carrier, he said


I think the part about Skybus is significant.

Link:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/con...007/06/25/ddn062507airportweb.html
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:21 pm

The armchair CEO in me completely agrees about Skybus' influence in Southwest's consideration of starting service to Dayton. Southwest is well aware that Skybus relies partially on passengers driving to CMH to take advantage of low fares, specifically from the Dayton and Cincinnati markets. Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 8):
Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.

If I may....if that was to occur, it would most likely be the beginning of the end for Skybus in my humble opinion.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
It would seem to fit the Southwest Biz model......moderate size city, easy connections to other "hubs".

That's not really the WN model anymore. PHL, PIT, DEN, IAD?

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7):

Ahmad also said he has met twice this year with Southwest Airlines to discuss the possibility of service to Dayton. He believes there is a chance that the Dallas-based airline would consider serving Dayton at some point.



Quoting DAYflyer (Thread starter):
The news broke here on local radio this morning that Southwest is in active talks with the airport management team here at DAY. No confirmation yet on a start date.

He believes there is a chance the airline would serve DAY at some point is much different than "active talks". WN is being polite, I think thats about it.

If WN wanted, they could open the taps at CMH and bleed Skybus dry. It doesn't matter how much SX has raised, WN can outspend them.

I think based upon recent history at WN, that CVG is a better candidate than DAY. 10 years ago, DAY was perfect, today not so much. T1 at CVG is just begging for a LCC to set up shop.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:41 am

DAY makes a decent amount of sense, they would certainly be able to pickup a good chunk of traffic from CVG that wouldn't mind driving up to DAY anyway - people do it for delta all the time.

Maybe that's who is talking about taking over some of the gates in Terminal D
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 8):
The armchair CEO in me completely agrees about Skybus' influence in Southwest's consideration of starting service to Dayton. Southwest is well aware that Skybus relies partially on passengers driving to CMH to take advantage of low fares, specifically from the Dayton and Cincinnati markets. Southwest could potentially plug much of the leakage to CMH by serving DAY outright, potentially taking a large chunk of Skybus' market. I could definitely see it happen.

With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:02 am

I think it would be great for DAY to gain the services of Southwest at their airport. Yes DAY and CMH are within 2 hours of eachother, but I think Southwest would be looking at the draw that DAY may get from the northern suburbs of Cincy. AirTran and Frontier have both succeeded at DAY, and I think its a good time for Southwest to come on in and enjoy a similar success.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

Perhaps Southwest is trying to make it more convenient for passengers orginating from Dayton to fly Southwest than to fly Skybus out of CMH.

[Edited 2007-06-26 19:03:56]
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:21 am

I wonder if these discussions with DAY management are something like WN's discussions about moving HQ to Phoenix when the the negotiations about the Re-Wright were going on. In this case, an expression of displeasure with Columbus and its business community for putting up cash to help found Skybus. I'm in the group that thinks Skybus won't be around long, so I think it's unlikely that WN is going to actually open up in DAY. Perhaps WN just wants to grouse, and suggest that if Skybus does succeed, that maybe there is just a bit of danger of them moving down I-70.

AirTran is well established at DAY, and remember that WN typically wants at least 10 dailies on day one. It's unlikely that WN would want to spend the money opening a new station and fighting FL, and then have the reason they're unhappy with Columbus--a much bigger O & D market--disappear.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 10):
That's not really the WN model anymore. PHL, PIT, DEN, IAD?

And maybe they are considering a change back to the old model?

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.

I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:33 am

Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY? There is little LCC competition at CVG and it is a market that has been plauged by very high fares.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 17):
Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY?

Being a DL hub I think it's unlikely. Much like MEM in that regard.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 17):
Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY? There is little LCC competition at CVG and it is a market that has been plauged by very high fares.

This has been thought of many times, and DL has become an expert at defending it's turf at CVG. FL has tried it twice, and so have others. They have all pulled out after DL matched the fares and flooded the market with seats. I do think if anyone can break the stranglehold on CVG that DL has, Southwest could be the one to pull it off.

Perhaps all this talk about DAY is a smokescreen to conceal the real plan, whihc is CVG????
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that

When GSO-CVG is $400 to $500+ and GSO-CVG-DAY is about $250, I will gladly fly into DAY, and rack up the extra 1,000 Skymiles on top of that.  Smile

WN in DAY would be nice. I travel to Ohio two to three times a year to visit family in Cincinnati. RDU-BWI-DAY or RDU-MDW-DAY would be convenient and manageable. CMH is a little far to consider since the family we visit is on the west side of Cincy, putting CMH at well over 110 miles.

The past two years over Christmas, we've gotten lucky and been able to get GSO-CVG direct for less than $250, but over the summer, I've had to do GSO-DAY (once on CO thru EWR, once on DL thru CVG) because to go direct into CVG was roughly $200 more.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 13):
I think it would be great for DAY to gain the services of Southwest at their airport. Yes DAY and CMH are within 2 hours of eachother, but I think Southwest would be looking at the draw that DAY may get from the northern suburbs of Cincy.

Southwest already gets a lot of draw from Cincy in all three WN cities surrounding Cincy (IND, CMH, and SDF).

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller

Yes, but a big chuck of that market is Wright-Patterson AFB, which is home to Air Force Material Command. Lots of engineers (both military and civilian) and contractors there, plus the other military personnel at the base going on TDY (Tempoary Duty) Trips and business trips. Just something to consider.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.

I don't think people are as likely to drive for $50 savings but $100 or $200, they would still do that.

I am not so sure anymore with the cost of gas, your time driving there and back, the cost to park, it all adds up to the total cost. And for a lot of people it just is not worth it.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Thread starter):

Possible routes would likelly include Nashville, Baltimore, Chicago/Midway and Dallas.

Except...WN cannot offer n/s DAY-DAL  Wink So that part cannot be true, they may offer service or connecting flights to Dallas...

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:22 am

If WN were to begin service at DAY, DAL would likely NOT be one of the routes served -- not nonstop anyway. The current Wright Amendment restrictions which don't fully expire until 2014 would prohibit nonstop service between those two cities.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):

Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

IND's airport is on the opposite (west) side of the city from Dayton. Until you get across Indy to the west side which adds a little more time, 2 hours would be a very good time for that drive. I drive quite fast and would plan on more than 2 hours to make that drive myself. CMH is closer to DAY than IND.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
1-DAY is small.....800,000 in the metro statistical area..... and getting smaller

Dayton is the #59 MSA. Right below Dayton at 60 and 61 are OMA and ABQ respectively... and both of these have WN presence already. Well below that are ELP, BOI, GEG, and JAN. Also all WN cities. Dayton is nearly double GEG's size, and there's alot more uncounted population surrounding DAY (i.e. Cinci's northern suburbs like Warren County are as close to DAY as they are to CVG airport-wise) than there is in Spokane.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
I am not so sure anymore with the cost of gas, your time driving there and back, the cost to park, it all adds up to the total cost. And for a lot of people it just is not worth it.

Disagree. People were doing it when gas prices were cheaper, it is not going to stop now. Here at Fresno they were already driving 3 or 4 hours to OAK, SMF, SJC, LAX, or SFO for cheaper fares. Some studies put our driveaways at 40-50% of the local market.

The difference between $2 and $3 per gallon to drive from Fresno to OAK (170 miles each way) for a lower fare is only $17 (using 20 mpg).
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:07 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

CMH and DAY are more like an hour apart rather than 2 hours being mentioned above.

I think people will still drive to another airport for a cheaper fare. People just don't think about gas prices in the right regard, think about it. People will still drive across town to pay 2 cents less per gallon (ridiculous yes, but people do it) and will drive to a grocery store further away because they are cheaper.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 26):
I think people will still drive to another airport for a cheaper fare. People just don't think about gas prices in the right regard, think about it.

People don't consider a lot of factors. For one, most people don't consider that gas isn't the only expense when operating a car. According to the IRS it's around 47 cents a mile to operate your car (gas, wear and tear, insurance, etc.). So when you drive 100 miles each way to an alternate airport, you've spent really close to $100 just for operating your vehicle. Granted, part of those expenses such as insurance would be paid regardless of whether you drove to the closer airport or the one father away, but you get the picture.

Some people also don't consider parking into the equation. For example, at Orlando parking is $10 at the airport (though there's a park n' ride about 10 minutes away that's about $6 a day). I've flown out of MCO a few times, though I go to college in DAB.

When I make the decision to fly out of DAB or go to MCO, I add about $100 to $125 to the cost of the ticket out of MCO to cover for gas to and from, the wear and tear on my vehicle, parking, and the $6 in tolls, plus the time then evaluate whether to go out of MCO or DAB.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 24):
IND's airport is on the opposite (west) side of the city from Dayton. Until you get across Indy to the west side which adds a little more time, 2 hours would be a very good time for that drive. I drive quite fast and would plan on more than 2 hours to make that drive myself. CMH is closer to DAY than IND

I knew CMH was closer, I just didn't know IND was that far away.

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 26):
People will still drive across town to pay 2 cents less per gallon (ridiculous yes, but people do it) and will drive to a grocery store further away because they are cheaper.

Hell, even 10 cents a gallon cheaper isn't that big a deal. For every 10 gallons, that's $1. Whoopty-doo. You spend more than that in gas going to the cheaper gas station.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 27):
People don't consider a lot of factors.

Of course many of these discussions assume a single person driving to another airport for a lower fare.

But in my experience it is usually 2 or more people such as a family driving to another airport.

So now the car costs stay the same but the fare savings will be 2, 3, or more times that of a single ticket, reflecting the number of tickets bought by the group.

Also it is many times not just the fare savings but the ability to get a non-stop vs. a connection avoiding potential disruptions or missed connections.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:15 am

I had forgotten about the Wright Amendment thing, so yes DAL would not be a viable destination without a connection.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:29 am

It would be great if WN flew to CVG: DL's airfares are often very expensive. It's about time someone burst DL's monopoly on a good number of routes to and from CVG. And where there is competition it's often only one other airline, and between them they reap the benefits of a duopoly, namely ripping-off customers and restricting competition.

CVG's metro area is large - 2.1m. OK, so it's 106 miles to Columbus, 108 miles to Indianapolis, and 102 miles to Louisville. But still: it's a big market, there's clear demand, and the present fares are very expensive.

A business daytrip from CVG to DTW on August 13? (Incidentally, August 13 is my birthday.) $818! Northwest is only very slightly cheaper. A non-same-day return to LAX or SFO is often $600-700. $300+ for a non-same-day return to BNA. Almost every return flight, often bar CHI due to the extra competition, is at least $300 for a non-same-day return.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):
Being a DL hub I think it's unlikely. Much like MEM in that regard.

Or unlikely like WN in such hubs as BWI, IAD, DEN, SFO, SEA, DTW, and CLE?

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
3-Our close proximity to CMH, another city served heartily by Southwest

And why couldn't WN serve more than one city within a 100 mile radius? LAX-BUR-LGB-SNA-SAN? IAD-BWI? SMF-OAK-SFO-SJC? CLE-PIT? RSW-FLL-PBI? BDL-PVD-MHT? AUS-SAT?

That said, the further detail on the quotes leads me to think it's more "hopeful" than "considering". Would be nice, but so thought COS and ABE.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:19 am

Dayton itself has only 158,873 residence but the metro area as of 2005 was estimated at 848,173. Some may not realize it but Dayton's "Metropolitan Stastical Area" (MSA) was reduced in size by the Department of Labor in 2003 when Clark County (Springfield) became its own metro area, which in 2000 had 144,742 residents. If the two MSA's were combined today, Dayton's official MSA would still have nearly 1 million residents. The close proximity of the 2 million+ residents of the Cincinnati metro area offer great potential for WN at DAY. There's also some potential pax living along I-75 north of Dayton.

I've held fascination with airlines service at medium-sized cities since first attending the air show at DAY in 1984. Entrance by WN might stimulate air traffic there like nothing since Piedmont days. Obviously, WN won't be building an operation at DAY that matches the old PI hub, but 12-15 daily departures a few years after startup, should it happen, are a realistic expectation. I can see WN's initial routes as DAY-BWI/MDW/BNA. Flights to FLL, LAS, MCO and TPA could come later. I can even see DAY-PHL/PHX.

Otherwise, we always hope FL continues to grow its flights and destinations out of DAY.

[Edited 2007-06-27 00:20:53]
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:28 am

I am not sure if DAY is good place to have SW due to CMH, IND and SDF already has SW n/s to variety place in US. It would be interest to see if DAY able to pull this off with SW flying out of DAY to several cities. If so they probably will flying to midwest cities and some of east coast, BWI, PVD.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 26):
I think people will still drive to another airport for a cheaper fare. People just don't think about gas prices in the right regard, think about it. People will still drive across town to pay 2 cents less per gallon (ridiculous yes, but people do it) and will drive to a grocery store further away because they are cheaper.

But it also depends on how many are taking the trip. If you were taking your whole family, the MPG and trip cost of of the vehicle would barely change, but passenger MPG would go up. If the difference in ticket prices are $250 per ticket, a family of four would save $1,000 on air fares.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):

With the current price of gas these days I think that people driving to get a low fare is becoming less of an issue.

If that were the case, every flight out of TOL would be packed, but we all know most of the market drives up I-75 (100 miles R/T) and pays more to park.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 17):
Wouldn't WN start CVG before they start DAY? There is little LCC competition at CVG and it is a market that has been plauged by very high fares.

I agree, T1 is sitting there waiting for an LCC to come in.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):
Being a DL hub I think it's unlikely. Much like MEM in that regard.

As opposed to DEN, PHL, or IAD? I think WN would be welcomed by the market.
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:54 am

Well, if WN can go to Jackson, Mississippi, then I suppose they can go anywhere they want. LOL!! CVG looks good on paper, but perhaps there is something about the traveling habits of that market that make WN look at DAY witha bit more enthusiasm. Who are we to judge? No of us (the majority of us at least) on here really have an honest clue and all we are doing is persepctive speculation at best. I wouldn't mind them at either airport.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7):
Ahmad also said he has met twice this year with Southwest Airlines to discuss the possibility of service to Dayton. He believes there is a chance that the Dallas-based airline would consider serving Dayton at some point....
"Is there a chance? Yes. Have they promised anything? No," Ahmad said.

I would guess that in 2007, WN has met with no less than 5 cities (some of them twice?) regarding the possibility of serving those cities sometime. I think WN has at least 1 team, probably more, of management/planners who do nothing but meet with potential service points. This meeting happens to have ended up in the paper.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7):
Southwest is unhappy about the recent startup in Columbus of Skybus, a competing low-fare carrier, he said

I still think it's too early for WN to be particularly upset about SX. My thinking is that they will wait, like the rest of us, to see what happens at the end of the year.

OTOH, maybe WN will open DAY at the beginning of 2008 and start flying to SEA, OAK, BUR, SAN, MCI, PVD, MHT, BDL, ORF, JAX and FLL.  Smile And offer $5 seats on every flight!

Really, I think this is a great big non-event.

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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
Along with IND, correct? (what I'm getting at is IND is under a 2 hours from DAY down I-70, right?)

DAY-IND = 119 miles. At least to me, it seems closer than that because several times I've easily gotten from the NE side of Indy to the state line in just under an hour. But of course DAY doesn't sit on the state line, and IND is on the far side of town from DAY. And FYI the portion of I-70 between downtown Indy and I-465 on the East side is in the process of being repaved from now through the end of the year.

I wonder how long it will be before some airline thinks of setting up shop in, say, Jamestown, OH or some similar location in the middle of CVG, CMH, and DAY? Ditto Lincoln, IL to steal traffic from SPI, PIA, BMI. Probably a stupid idea, but I'd like to see some billionaire give it a shot  Smile
 
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 38):
I wonder how long it will be before some airline thinks of setting up shop in, say, Jamestown, OH or some similar location in the middle of CVG, CMH, and day?

Never happen......I would love to see them land any airliner on a turf runway that is only 1220ft. x 80ft. There is no way that they are going to build another airport capable of supporting scheduled traffic anywhere around Jamestown OH. ILN is the closest area and that is privately owned.
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RE: Southwest Considering Coming To DAY

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:30 am

ILN may be privately owned, but SGH is not. It's probably the most capable strip out of the area in terms of runway length, infrastructure and highway access, but probably the least convenient for the Cinci folk. It'd have to be somewhere in Xenia to be anywhere NEAR convenient for all three metro areas, but the only major road going through there is US35...and it's busy enough as it is.

If only CMH, DAY, and/or CVG were on the opposite sides of their respective towns, we probably wouldn't even be thinking about it.