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Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:44 pm

Effective 5 Sep. The November schedule shows back to non-stop PPT-JFK. This is not going to help them build the JFK-PPT route up.

--3-5-- TN 202 P A J D Z I Y M LAXJFK- 800A 410P 343 BB 0


--3-5-- TN 201 P A J D Z I Y M JFKLAX- 600P 915P 343 SS 0

Full routing PPT-LAX-JFK
--2-4-- TN 202 P A J D Z I Y M PPTJFK- 645P 410P#1 343 DD 1

Full routing JFK-LAX-PPT
--3-5-- TN 201 P A J D Z I Y M JFKPPT- 600P 435A#1 343 SS 1
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:51 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Thread starter):
This is not going to help them build the JFK-PPT route up.

If it's just for Sept/Oct, is that a low season for travel to Tahiti? Perhaps they're doing it that way to save the route.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:53 pm

This is really a non-sense to me. TN is loosing tons of money on PPT-JFK. They should code-share with AA or DL on JFK-LAX to feed their LAX-PPT
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:03 pm

No local traffic rights, correct?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
No local traffic rights, correct?

As Air Tahiti is a French airline......No.

Quoting Bkkair (Thread starter):
Effective 5 Sep. The November schedule shows back to non-stop PPT-JFK. This is not going to help them build the JFK-PPT route up

Is this the beginning of the end of the JFK-PPT route, a route that never performed anywhere near expectations? The onestop service makes little sense, JFK pax can be handled with a codeshare. It will be curious to see if Air Tahiti opens a new city in the near future.....SFO or YVR are possibilities.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:33 pm

Actually considering NZ has pulled out of PPT-LAX and is now codesharing with TN they probably need the extra capacity on PPT-LAX .. I doubt this helps the JFK route unless NZ codeshare to JFK with TN at some stage otherwise i can see this being dropped at some stage ..
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:25 pm

I honestly think the main things that kept TN on the NYC market was the cargo tonnage they received. Since the TN flight continues to SYD (a major area of export from the U.S.) all the flights were filled to the walls in the cargo area. Passenger wise.. I heard their loads were awful from JFK
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:58 pm

This story just in from the The Tahiti Presse
http://www.tahitipresse.pf/index.cfm?snav=see&presse=20522&lang=2

that TN expects to cut their loss from US$42.8M in 2006 to only US$5.78M in 2007.

They also reveal that on the airline's New York route, there were 36.3% fewer passengers in April 2007 on 38.5% fewer seats and 29.8% fewer passengers in May 2007 on 30.8% fewer seats, compared with a year ago.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):

Is this the beginning of the end of the JFK-PPT route, a route that never performed anywhere near expectations?

The route was a pipedream to a market that has proven to be a money loser for years..

CorsAir, AOM, Air New Zealand, Qantas have all flown to Tahiti from the US in the past. The destination does not have the demand to sustain multiple airlines service. Air France has held on so long as it is the only service from Europe by a known airline, now with a plane change, and is supported the most part by political and tour contracts.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
The onestop service makes little sense, JFK pax can be handled with a codeshare.

JFK should have never been started. If anything service should have been flown to San Francisco.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 5):
Actually considering NZ has pulled out of PPT-LAX and is now codesharing with TN they probably need the extra capacity on PPT-LAX ..

There is not a strong demand for service from LAX-PPT. The existing service by Air France and TN is more than enough.

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 6):
Passenger wise.. I heard their loads were awful from JFK

I flew JFK-PPT last August the entire aircraft must have had an LF of about 40%. Of which 90% were in Economy.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:17 am

Another airline that could benefit from a codeshare with JetBlue (IMHO). JetBlue could advertise codeshare on JFK-PPT, LAX and CDG (if they still operate that leg, not sure) while TN could have access to JetBlue's pax base.

I suggested it once to B6 but when its not their own idea, they frown upon it.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 9):
Another airline that could benefit from a codeshare with JetBlue (IMHO). JetBlue could advertise codeshare on JFK-PPT, LAX and CDG (if they still operate that leg, not sure) while TN could have access to JetBlue's pax base.

Problem is that B6 would be gaining very little yield from such a relationship. Adding fuel to the fire B6 does not serve LAX.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Is this the beginning of the end of the JFK-PPT route, a route that never performed anywhere near expectations?

Perhaps. Or, perhaps this may become the question that will replace that other mystery, "When will NWA retire the DC-9s?"

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 7):
TN expects to cut their loss from US$42.8M in 2006 to only US$5.78M in 2007.

They also reveal that on the airline's New York route, there were 36.3% fewer passengers in April 2007 on 38.5% fewer seats and 29.8% fewer passengers in May 2007 on 30.8% fewer seats, compared with a year ago

Not sure I follow...they cut their losses....with fewer pax? Am I following that correctly?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:54 am

This only operates on 05SEP, 12SEP, 19SEP only as extra flight

JFK-LAX is for international online connection or stop over traffic only.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 8):
There is not a strong demand for service from LAX-PPT. The existing service by Air France and TN is more than enough

What are you talking about? The fact that AF and TN serve the route more than daily with large aircraft shows the demand.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:07 am

well the fares from JFK are not very competitive especially when u take into account that east coast based pax could travel to the caribbean in less than a quarter of the time for one third the cost.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 8):
There is not a strong demand for service from LAX-PPT. The existing service by Air France and TN is more than enough

What are you talking about? The fact that AF and TN serve the route more than daily with large aircraft shows the demand.

How many of these passengers originate in the United States versus France? In addition, are the majority of both the travelers (French and US) on package deals which include cheap airfare from consolidators, or is PPT considered to be a luxury/expensive vacation?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 15):

How many of these passengers originate in the United States versus France?

TN focuses on US originating traffic, Air France on French traffic.

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 15):
In addition, are the majority of both the travelers (French and US) on package deals which include cheap airfare from consolidators, or is PPT considered to be a luxury/expensive vacation?

PPT has always been considered a luxury vacation. Further, the deals negotiated with consolidators are not going to be negotiated with loss making in mind. Why do you think the Pleasant Hawai'ian contract is so prized and was fought over and seen as a huge coup for United?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 8):
The route was a pipedream to a market that has proven to be a money loser for years..

CorsAir, AOM, Air New Zealand, Qantas have all flown to Tahiti from the US in the past. The destination does not have the demand to sustain multiple airlines service. Air France has held on so long as it is the only service from Europe by a known airline, now with a plane change, and is supported the most part by political and tour contracts



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 8):
JFK should have never been started. If anything service should have been flown to San Francisco.

I agree that Air Tahiti took a risk with the New York service and it did not work out as expected.......the demand is simply not there (its long, far and expensive for a beach holiday out of th east coast) and Air Tahiti never got a portion of the JFK-SYD market that they hoped to attract. TN really thought that the ""been there, done that"" NYC crowd would go to Tahiti as an alternative to the caribbean and mexico.....guess not.

But, there is demand to Tahiti and its growning.....AF and TN do well with the LAX route and maybe SFO would have been a better idea. QF dropped PPT when it dropped service to most pacific islands, and NZ always did well with the PPT route when they flew it, they are now trying someting different with TN which offers a lot of frequency in the LAX-PPT market (NZ never flew the route more then 3 or 4 times per week). Ancient history, who remebers CO's LAX-PPT-AKL-SYD/MEL DC10 services? Its gonna be interesting to see what TN does next......Tahiti is absolutely beautiful and well worth the trip, its just very far and very expensive for most travellers.

Yeilds on the route are rather good, and the tourist demand is high-end. Also remember that Princess cruises homeports atleast one ship at PPT for the entire year.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
As Air Tahiti is a French airline......No.

Damn, so much for non-reving on the LAX-JFK route!
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
PPT has always been considered a luxury vacation.

Don't neglect the French civil servants flying to/from the homeland on government-paid tickets. I hear the French government is rather generous with flight benefits (and pay), and I'm pretty sure that's a sizable chunk of revenue for Air Tahiti.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 11):
Not sure I follow...they cut their losses....with fewer pax? Am I following that correctly?

The loss that's being cut is for the company as a whole, not just the JFK route. Another way to read it would be to say that the airline would/could have cut its loss even more if it hadn't lost passengers to/from JFK.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
What are you talking about? The fact that AF and TN serve the route more than daily with large aircraft shows the demand

The demand is thin, the need for a nonstop JFK-PPT service is just not there. At least not there on the frequency that TN sees fit to serve the route. There are so many other places to go that are closer to New York. For one New York has a lot of tourists heading to Brasil in the Northern Winter, as well as the Caribbean. If New Yorkers are going to go somewhere exotic, they are more likely to end up in Phuket than Bora Bora. Additionally the cost of the overwater bungalows in Tahiti is just out of sight. Last year we had an 1Br Overwater villa that was $1350.00 per night plus a per person fee of $55.00 plus taxes of about another 11% x 3 nights. It just was not worth it compared to other exotic destinations such as Maldives, Mauritius, Seychelles, or Vietnam.

It is not brain science to figure that people look for value, as well as other things. One of the things I was most disappointed with in Tahiti were the bugs, the bugs began on Bora Bora. It was even more out of control when we went to Tahaa, and the bugs were even more out of control. This time in swarms.. However it has been heard from friends and family of mine that apparently the bugs on Tahaa have become worse and worse in recent years, yet it is not mentioned in tourist information on Tahiti for some unknown reason..  Sad

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Why do you think the Pleasant Hawai'ian contract is so prized and was fought over and seen as a huge coup for United?

Coup?

The reason that United Airlines got the contract was due to their strength in the Los Angeles and San Francisco to Hawaii sectors. Combined with its connections options from Denver and Chicago. Of which they are the number one airline to Hawaii. They got the route due to number of flights.. If the other airlines wanted to bombard the low yielding Hawaiian market, they by chance could have been awarded the contract as well.. Hawaiian was taken out of the running for the Pleasant Hawaiian contract because of lack of flights East of Phoenix, which limited the contracts value on the end of Pleasant Hawaiian. At that time Delta was considering a more in-depth realm of services to Hawaii, yet that went away with the better utilization of equipment on long-haul international services.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
PPT has always been considered a luxury vacation.

Indeed it has, thus the demand for so much air traffic is unwarranted.. It has been talked about often, I am not sure on here, but around the industry that TN has had money problems for years. It has tried to promote Tahiti as a connecting ground to Australia and New Zealand with its marketing campaigns in NYC, and Los Angeles. However as can be seen it is a much better value to fly Qantas on the more direct routing via Los Angeles than to go the 130 miles out of your way and pay a fortune for a day or two that could be better spent on Hamilton Island or Hayman Island, AU.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:28 pm

Although JFK-PPT traffic isn't all too great, PPT makes a great stopover when traveling to Auckland and Sydney, with convenient stopovers and more competitive prices than those through LAX/SFO.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 19):
Don't neglect the French civil servants flying to/from the homeland on government-paid tickets. I hear the French government is rather generous with flight benefits (and pay), and I'm pretty sure that's a sizable chunk of revenue for Air Tahiti.

Most of the government traffic goes on AF.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 18):

Damn, so much for non-reving on the LAX-JFK route!

Not so fast. Remember, QF allows people to non-rev on their LAX-JFK service, so I am guessing TN will to. The key is that it is non-revenue traffic, so it isn't cabotage

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 20):

The demand is thin

If it is so thin, why in the world has the route supported multiple widebodied aircraft for years?

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 20):

The reason that United Airlines got the contract was due to their strength in the Los Angeles and San Francisco to Hawaii sectors.

If that was the case, ATA wouldn't have held the contract for more than a decade.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
QF allows people to non-rev on their LAX-JFK

I didn't know non-revs could hop on that one too!

Looks like I'm going to Kennedy sooner than I thought  Smile
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 9):
JetBlue could advertise codeshare on JFK-PPT, LAX and CDG

not on JFK-LAX

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 23):
Looks like I'm going to Kennedy sooner than I thought

...you're in the industry now Pudgy??
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
If it is so thin, why in the world has the route supported multiple widebodied aircraft for years?

Forgetting that PPT was used by QF as a fuel stop, with traffic rights? It was the same csae for Continental Airlines as well. NZ was on the route for so long due to their South Pacific hallmark island hopping service, then PPT was reduced top AKL-PPT-LAX service. Ultimately the loads and profit did not yield the retention of service. Air France is a given as it was of French origin. AOM, CorsAir, and others either went bankrupt or reduced services as the demand to Tahiti has dropped since prices have sky-rocketed and their is better use for the equipment elsewhere.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
If that was the case, ATA wouldn't have held the contract for more than a decade.

United Airlines won the contract just as I said, in addition while TZ has downgraded Hawaiian flying with smaller aircraft from the California market, they have maintained PHX and LAS with the 757 equipment, while Seattle was dropped from the system. Remember up until a few years ago we were seeing ATA operate L1011 and 757-300 equipment in the Hawaiian market. ATA is going back to its core business, that has been made more evident over the past few years with its return to heavy DOD/Charter flying to higher yielding market segments. It would be pointless for TZ to continue contracts with Pleasant Hawaiian when they were making on average $200.00 R/T per person, in turn they can make upwards of $900.00 per person on a DOD. Even with the Southwest connection they are seeing better yields than with the Pleasant Hawaiian flights. They are following the money, and nothing more. Hawaii makes money on a limited scale, todays TZ network to Hawaii has shown that to be true.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 24):
you're in the industry now Pudgy??

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:57 am

Tahiti needs to get an A319 for LAX-JFK and Air France needs to get an A319LR for LAX-PPT  Smile
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:00 am

Im flying out on sept 5th and coming back on 18th from JFK for PPT. So the flight from LAX -PPT and PPT-JFK is a add on or they took a scheduled flight outof schedule? Im wondering If im going to keep my original seats.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:53 am

Ia Orana Luniew !

Your flight has now become PPT-LAX-JFK. There is no nonstop flight to JFK from the 5th of September and on !
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:04 am

Looks like ATN will still fly 2 weekly PPT-JFK, but return will be 1 nonstop, 1 via LAX.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:18 pm

TN ae doing a good job of throwing away a potentially lucrative market.

know that there are closer, cheaper destinations to the East Coast, but the selling point of Tahiti is that Bora Bora and Taha'a are far more upmarket, luxurious and beautiful destinations than the Caribbean.

But replicating the 1 stop via LAX situation which has existed for decades is a surefire way of driving the market away.

I'm on Bora Bora now, and the withdrawal of Air NZ has led to half-empty luxury hotels, as TN aircraft have too many Economy Class seats for cruise pax and too few Business seats: people don't pay $1500 per ight on a luxury villa but fly coach. You can't get a Business Class seat from LAX to PPT for love nor money at the moment!
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 25):

Forgetting that PPT was used by QF as a fuel stop, with traffic rights?

QF had nothing to do with the conversation

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 25):
then PPT was reduced top AKL-PPT-LAX service.

Reduced? Where else is the aircraft supposed to come from?

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 25):
Ultimately the loads and profit did not yield the retention of service.

Um, they were on the route for how many years? Besides, NZ's product has changed and the 763ER just didn't make sense into LAX anymore

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 25):
CorsAir, and others either went bankrupt or reduced services as the demand to Tahiti has dropped since prices have sky-rocketed and their is better use for the equipment elsewhere.

Corsair dropped the route because they saw their market eaten up by TN. It is no coincidence that they pulled out when they did

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 23):

Looks like I'm going to Kennedy sooner than I thought

And will get a meal on the flight

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 26):
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Start JFK-LAX Non-stop, Eff. 5 Sep

Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
QF had nothing to do with the conversation

It does and is part of the conversation as QF code-shares/d with TN, and QF leaving the market on their own metal is just another example of how difficult and un-viable of a market Tahiti is for so many airlines that once served it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Corsair dropped the route because they saw their market eaten up by TN. It is no coincidence that they pulled out when they did

Again, as I have stated earlier Corsair dropped Tahiti because the cost of tourism in Tahiti was soaring. Corsair could not remain competitive in the market as the Tahitian tourist demographic has changed in more recent years. Corsair was the bottom of the bucket as far as tickets to Tahiti. That demographic for cheap seats has changed since the demand in the Tahiti market if for P an J travel, not Y. I for one am not going to fly Economy Class and then pay what I paid to stay at the St. Regis Bora Bora, or on Taha'a..

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 20):
Additionally the cost of the overwater bungalows in Tahiti is just out of sight. Last year we had an 1Br Overwater villa that was $1350.00 per night plus a per person fee of $55.00 plus taxes of about another 11% x 3 nights. It just was not worth it compared to other exotic destinations such as Maldives, Mauritius, Seychelles

Above is an additional quote of mine. Furthering the statement that the demand for Tahiti is in P and J only services, which QF and NZ have no aircraft configured with just those two classes of service. Expending a 747, or 767 on Tahiti would be a waste of equipment.

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