crjflyer35
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Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:38 pm

I was just reading the thread about all the diversions from ORD to surrounding areas (MKE, GRR, etc) and I thought of something. A few weeks ago I heard of a KE 744 diverting to GRR from ICN originally bound for ORD. Now, I'm from GRR, and if I were flying ICN-ORD-GRR, and my flight happened to divert to my end destination, would I be within my rights to get off the A/C? Hmmm, I'm curious.

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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:31 pm

Interesting point, i have always wondered that as well!
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:38 pm

I suppose as long as you could clear customs and immigration it might work.
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:43 pm

In the case of an international flight, I suppose it's certainly possible. I forget offhand if there's still a Customs office in GRR (I would assume so).

But if it were a domestic flight, then I see no problem to it. In fact, there was one time not long ago that a YX flight operating PHL-MKE diverted into GRR (I believe it was a medical reason). There was a passenger on that flight due to connect into MKG, but since his flight diverted into GRR, we saw no point of him sitting there and waiting to go to MKE just to pretty much come back, so we had him offloaded in GRR and sent on his way ... getting him home much sooner than he would have otherwise.  Smile
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:53 pm

I highly doubt that the crew could allow you to deplane in a diversion situation. You are on the International manifest for that particular destination...plus anytime a flight diverts into a non scheduled port, Customs would not only have to be alerted but prepared to do business. I don't think GRR has a customs center. Not to mention the issue of baggage. It's just not allowed. Domestic or Internationally, but an International flight is governed by different rules.
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:59 pm

No you wouldnt not be able to get off the aircraft, even if there is customs. Most agents in smaller airports like that are not allowed to handle international flights. Even in the case there is customs there, they are usually not prepared to handle that. If one person gets off, all the passengers have to get off and the aircraft has to be inspected so pretty much that is a no, you would be continuing onto your connection point.

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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:08 pm

Most diversions end up with you sitting on the plane why the weather clears at your destination while the aircraft is somewhere else. So even in the likely event that you are in the city you are wanting to fly to you might end up there as you will not able to get off the aircraft.
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:27 pm

On intl flights you will stay onboard until customs decides to clear the entire flight...they will not cherry pick...so basically you stay with the aircraft to the final destination. On domestic it varies...some carriers will allow pax to deplane but they are declared to be 'on their own' sans luggage or assistance in ground transportation.
 
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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 7):
On domestic it varies...some carriers will allow pax to deplane but they are declared to be 'on their own' sans luggage or assistance in ground transportation.

Yes domestic it's possible depending on the situation. I had one about a year back where we were on our way to BOS and got diverted to BDL. Was told we were going to wait 2hrs for weather to clear and then continue to BOS, but since we were sitting in row 1, and had carry-on only, called AVIS from plane, got off and drove to BOS ... arriving still 2hrs before flight actually did get there.


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RE: Diversion Question

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Thread starter):
KE 744 diverting to GRR from ICN originally bound for ORD. Now, I'm from GRR

Not really what you were asking... but our KE 744 diversion here in GRR was KE Cargo from ANC. I was on hand listening to the GRR controllers ask the KE crew if they had cleared customs in ANC, which they had.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/K...3/history/20070601/1915Z/PANC/KGRR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/K...3/history/20070602/0400Z/KGRR/KORD

We did get a UAL 763 ORD diversion from CDG this past Tuesday. Was here for about 2 hours. To the best of my knowledge, no one got off except perhaps the crew to do their walk-around inspection....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...3/history/20070626/1100Z/LFPG/KGRR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...3/history/20070626/2206Z/KGRR/KORD

Quoting JBo (Reply 3):
In the case of an international flight, I suppose it's certainly possible. I forget offhand if there's still a Customs office in GRR



Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 4):
I don't think GRR has a customs center

GRR does have a customs officer who from my understanding is available on an on-call basis. GRR sees a fair amount of foreign arriving corporate jet traffic, some of which are just stopping here to clear customs and then proceed to one of the area's smaller airports which do not have customs services- (BIV Holland Tulip City, MKG - Muskegon, etc.)
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RE: Diversion Question

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:38 am

Only in rare circumstances which are usually cleared in advance. The flight is cleared to fly between its scheduled ports only. In fact I remember a few years ago at RDU we had some AC diversions because ZJX radar was out. Even though the flights were pre-cleared in Canada, pax could not get off because the flights were cleared to Florida airports. We even had to get a form from U.S. CBP to allow them to proceed. I think it was called a "Permission to Continue" or something like that. It was more of a formality than anything else, since we opened the door on the aircraft.

Then Xmas of 2004 (maybe '03) we had the NYC/DC area shutdown due to snow and we had diversions from Tokyo to London. They did in fact clear customs at RDU. I think the crews all timed out due to the extensive shutdown and backups.

When I was at IAD we once had the NRT-JFK 777 divert to IAD. Same thing, crew timed out. Pax cleared customs, got back on the same plane, and a new crew took them to JFK. Our rampers were very excited about unloading the bags and the reloading them on the same plane... A few pax were terminating in IAD. They were allowed to stay at IAD. Note: CBP wanted us to clear the pax at IAD, because they were having issues at JFK with all the late flights...
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RE: Diversion Question

Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:51 am

Thanks for the discussion, I figured if nothing else, it would be interesting.
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RE: Diversion Question

Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:11 am

As for domestic flights... it depends too on whether or not they pull up to a gate or just hang out until the weather clears. If for instance Frontier diverts to ABE on a flight to NY/PHL (it has happened before) they don't have ground workers in Allentown... and typically will just wait out the storm on the ramp somewhere, get fueled, and go on their way. You're obviously not going to be allowed to jump out of the A319. ExpressJet's CO ops divert MANY planes to ABE when EWR's weather goes sour. Usually they just park and don't pull up to a gate as well, and since the ERJ's don't have the stairs, you're not jumping out of that either.
 
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RE: Diversion Question

Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:16 am

Happened to my roommate flying SEA-EWR-ABE. His flight to EWR (a 737) diverted to ABE because of a storm. And they wouldn't let him off the plane, even after he showed his ticket, his boarding pass, and told them he hadn't checked any bags. They just simply wouldn't allow it, claiming it was federal regulations. His flight from EWR (a bus, in actuality) was supposed to arrive at ABE at 11:45 AM. However, the diversion landed in ABE at 7:30AM or so, left for EWR around 10:00, so he wasn't able to catch the next EWR-ABE bus until 2:30, and got to school, finally, at 5:15PM. He had a fun day, haha.

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