B6ramprat
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Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:12 am

It is an absolute mess here at JFK as far as my company goes although we're playing it smart and cancelling flights so that we are ready for the holiday weekend. How are the other airlines handling the weather tonight?
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RobertS975
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:18 am

Delta has cancelled much of its domestic feed this afternon into JFK (MCO, BOS, SEA etc.) but the overseas flights are most operating near schedule.
 
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:21 am

Just came returned from JFK this evening. It looks like chaos there not to mention the roads are almost flooded in some locations.

Best of luck to those with travel plans in and out of all three NY airports not to mention MTA travellers.

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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 1):
Delta has cancelled much of its domestic feed this afternon into JFK

Yeah, out of CMH we had two JFK flights cancel, three to LGA, two to BDL and one to DCA. It really sucked because most of the people on those flights were rebooked onto them from the previous nights cancelled JFK and LGA flights. It was just a mess.

We rebooked a lot of the passengers going to LGA through DCA so that they could catch the Delta Shuttle to New York, but then DCA cancelled, too.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 1):
but the overseas flights are most operating near schedule.

Most of the ones that I looked up today were running about 45 minutes behind schedule at the most. I was very suprised to see that they actually cancelled DL16, JFK-BOM tonight.
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:30 am

Look at this message from AA.com

"Due to widespread bad weather that has disrupted our operation, as well as heavy holiday travel, most seats on June 28th are sold out and you may not be able to complete a booking on a desired flight. For current travel policies see Travel Notices."
 
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
Look at this message from AA.com

"Due to widespread bad weather that has disrupted our operation, as well as heavy holiday travel, most seats on June 28th are sold out and you may not be able to complete a booking on a desired flight. For current travel policies see Travel Notices."

This time of year (summer) + a Holiday week next week + a few days of already Irregular Ops + CCFP projecting storms all over the N.E. = a very shi++y day for flying...
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DLOnur
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:11 pm

We pre-emptively cancelled almost 200 flights into the NE corridor (both mainline and DCI).

I expect this to be the norm in the future. All airlines are taking serious hits with the prolonged and extended taxi times/ground stops. Instead of having pax freak out and film the flight crew, it's just better policy to keep them off planes altogether...too bad though because the ground people are going to catch the brunt of the storm (all pun intended).

The flight cancellations were announced both internally and externally simultaneously. Here in ABQ, we basically trying to do as many invol reroutes as possible, but most other airlines were in the same situation regarding the NE corridor that DL was in. SOL, is the long and short of it.
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:20 pm

The entire industry that is on the brink of total collapse God forbid another major natural disaster such as Katrina or a terrorist attack happens once again.

It may not be very popular with the airlines, but I think the government should step in and ban airlines from serving anything smaller then 100 seats to PHL, BOS, EWR, LGA, and JFK. A simple rain shower shouldn't cause 3 to 6 hour delays. This happened to me a couple weeks ago. 6 hours to get from CLT to EWR and 8 hours from EWR to CLT due to a storm that lasted 30 minutes each day. That's rediculous. Banning the express planes will eliminate hundreds of flights in the Northeast freeing up valuable space for aircraft to run more efficiently even in bad weather. I rather have fewer flights to the New York area and be on time for once then to wait 3 hours because 100 regional jets are circling the area trying to land. People in smaller cities that want to go to the Northeast can connect via the freed up regional jets into one of about 5 hubs that are in a one hour flying distance to the Northeast. Even if there was hourly service from each hub to the above mentioned airports using larger aircraft it still would be less congested then it is now. Like anything in this industry, it will take a major catastrophe due to congested airspace before anything is done or even considered.

These shortages of front line employees and pilots is outrageous. Maybe if your plane isn't sitting in a penalty box for 3 hours waiting for clearance to take off it would eliminate some of that shortage. All they are doing now is scamming the customers if they can't afford to hire enough people to fulfill their own schedule.

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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:28 pm

B6 105 (JFK-TUS) is cancelled for the second night in a row. Hopefully they can get the pax here somehow.
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 7):
A simple rain shower shouldn't cause 3 to 6 hour delays.

1. Some of them are thunderstorms with rainshowers, with low-level windshear and all the other hazards one would expect to be associated with thunderstorms.

2. Even some rainshowers can adversely impact (i.e. lower) the airport acceptance rate (AAR) if the reduced ceiling and/or visibility of the rainshowers precludes the use of visual approaches.

Few things in airline operations are "simple.."
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
Few things in airline operations are "simple.."

Ain't that the truth brother...the "organized chaos" that are airline operations is a collection of so many different and varied factors and relevant groups....sometimes it just blows me away that we are able to even get one plane off the ground, let alone a schedule of roughly 1200 flights a day (in DL's case).

The systems are intensely complex. Check out some of the free courseware at MIT's website on airline management and you will easily see how difficult it is to run an airline--just from an operations point of view...logistics, par excellence.
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 7):
A simple rain shower shouldn't cause 3 to 6 hour delays.

These are not "simple rain showers". Tonight honestly wasn't that bad where I am (5 miles from JFK), but last night was the worst storm in years. It downed power lines, put trees down across the LIRR tracks in at least three separate locations, put tree branches and leaves all over my street, and dumped about 8 inches of rain on us in 4 hours. The lightning was constant and in every direction.

On my way home from work tonight, passing through Rosedale Station (which is on the glidepath into 22L) and with the storm clouds gathering, I watched I think an Iberia A340 coming in for a landing - sideways. I mean I've never seen such a crosswind landing at JFK. It had to be right on the edge of allowable procedure - he must have been crabbed about 30 degrees. I could also see his nose and tail bobbing up and down, and the wings waggling in the wind. And that was before the storm.

This is just a bad weather area. There's nothing anybody can do about it. Bigger planes are not going to help; 747's haven't been flying the past couple nights either.
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting David21487 (Reply 3):
I was very suprised to see that they actually cancelled DL16, JFK-BOM tonight.

Indeed - a family member was checked in on that flight, and now they've told him to manage by himself in JFK for the next 4 days, as the earliest they can board him is 2/July!
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DLOnur
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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:46 am

Over 13,000 people misconnected yesterday in the DL system yesterday evening due to the NE IROPS. That's almost 20% of all the passengers traveling on DL yesterday--domestic and international.

We are expecting more of the same tonight in the NYC area as well as possibly ATL with some roaming thunderstorm activity. We have record loads today within the entire system--IIRC, internally it was posted at 104% capacity!!

There will be operational thinning as well this evening if ATC gets out of control again.

Prepare for a long summer folks if you are planning on flying. Capacity and weather are going to be serious issues that the government is going to have to address very soon--if not right away--alomst 14,000 misconnects is unheard of in my experience.

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RE: Northeast Is A Mess Again

Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
Look at this message from AA.com

"Due to widespread bad weather that has disrupted our operation, as well as heavy holiday travel, most seats on June 28th are sold out and you may not be able to complete a booking on a desired flight. For current travel policies see Travel Notices."

I guess they decided against the sentence, "Also, because we decided in a cost-cutting move to park big planes and replace them with a bunch of Lawn Darts."

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