peh
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Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:23 pm

I fly between Sydney and Canberra a fair bit for work. I'm a loyal Virgin Blue customer but I'm forced to fly with Qantas on this route because Virgin doesn't service it. The result is that Qantas has a virtual monopoly and it ends up costing more for the 25 minute flight than the 4 hour flight to Wellington.

Why doesn't Virgin Blue fly this route?
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cardiffairtaxi
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:47 pm

Would this route be viable,for Virgin Blue to have an aircraft operating such a short rotation,and then causing their schedule to be out of sync,due to having an aircraft short in other places?
 
peh
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:52 pm

They'd be operating at capacity for a large part of the year. Civil servants, politicans and their entourages are flying between the two cities almost constantly when parliament is sitting. It would be nice for passengers to have a real choice, especially those not travelling at the tax-payer's expense.
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cardiffairtaxi
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:05 pm

Do Virgin plan any long haul from Canberra,once they get their 777's?
 
Sydscott
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:38 pm

Quoting Peh (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Virgin Blue fly this route?

I believe it is because Qantas manages the Federal Governments travel arrangements hence both Virgin and Rex withdrew from the route due to lack of patronage.
 
rjm717
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:27 pm

The Embraer's are coming.. just be patient...
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VHVXB
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:59 pm

Virgin Blue Embraers - 1st Route BNE-HBA (by QF175 May 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
airbear
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:06 pm

From what I have read, don't hold your breath waiting for the Embraers to fly SYD/CBR.

DJ doesn't fly the route anymore (and Rex likewise), because the legions of public servants who frequent the route, simply cannot do without the QF Clubs/Chairman's Clubs, at either end; the FF points; or the comp upgrades (on the B737-operated services) and all the rest of it... all paid for by you know who... and all that for a flight of just 35 - 40 mins. ! Grrr.

That, plus the fact that for "ordinary folk" flying SYD/CBR really is a bit of a waste of time, given that, with the new M7 motorway, the total journey time between the 2 cities is about the same flying as driving unless you live within walking distance of the airport. Back when the drive took 5 hours or so, and catching a plane was a much simpler & quicker process, it was worthwhile flying. But not these days.
 
aussie_
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:12 am

Whilst SYD-CBR isn't among the first Embraer routes, I would put serious money on Virgin announcing (if not starting) service on the route at some stage in 2008. Why? Because Virgin is becoming more and more like Ansett - Australia's second high-frills airline. Also because their new owners Toll are determined to take the yield up and attract more business and government traffic, something they cannot do effectively without SYD-CBR. Virgin are opening a lounge in Canberra in October, which is an identical product to the Qantas club, they have frequent flyers now etc etc...

The only possibility of NOT seeing Virgin on the route in the short term is if they do a codeshare deal with someone else to do it for them - Rex? Alliance?
 
alangirvan
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:57 am

Quoting Airbear (Reply 7):



Quoting Airbear (Reply 7):
DJ doesn't fly the route anymore (and Rex likewise), because the legions of public servants who frequent the route, simply cannot do without the QF Clubs/Chairman's Clubs, at either end; the FF points; or the comp upgrades (on the B737-operated services) and all the rest of it... all paid for by you know who... and all that for a flight of just 35 - 40 mins. ! Grrr.

People who live outside Canberra have no idea about how Public Servants travel. If Public Servants want the Club lounge they pay th emembership themselves or they have to do one of these complicated Salary Sacrifice- the same deal where you claim a brief case or laptop computer. The Chairman's Club would only be used by very Senior Public Servants - probably more used by the Big City Businessmen flying home after a day lobbying the Government. Public Servants are not allowed to earn FF points for Government travel. If any Public Servants get complimentary upgrades there would be no more of that going on than for the Businessmen flying into Canberra. Often, even though Senior Public Servants may be entitled to fly in Business Class, they are encouraged to fly in Economy to let a Section's travel budget last a big longer during the Financial Year.


I was disappointed when Virgin and then Rex withdrew their Canberra Sydney flights. DJ only operates jets, and everyone knows that jets do not make money on a short stage like CBR-SYD. Even the Embraers will not be ideal for a short stage length which is less than 30 minutes in the air.

When Rex withdrew they were flying 6 times daily, but I thought their timetable was not ideal. It was very hard to choose Rex flights that gave travellers good use of their time for a business trip to Sydney. When Qantas were offering 19 flights a day, it was very hard not to choose the Qantas flight. Rex did offer Lounge access - very nice, and people got in by showing their Qantas card.

Some Government Departments are very aware that they benefit from having competition on the Canberra-Sydney route. If anyone wants to win business off Qantas, they have to start by matching the Qantas frequency on the route.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't Virgin Fly Between SYD & CBR

Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 8):
Virgin is becoming more and more like Ansett - Australia's second high-frills airline.

Vermin will never be anything like Ansett.
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