vanguard737
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Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:26 pm

Has anyone taken a look at Aeroflot's route map images lately? I ask because they have many cities around the world marked in positions far from where they actually are located.

For example:

- Washington DC is marked as though it lies in South Carolina
- New York City is marked as though it lies in North Carolina
- Berlin is marked as though it lies in central Poland
- Munich is marked as though it lies on the Italy/Austria border

I should hope these errors do not reflect their actual navigation abilities  Wink
(calm down, just joking, I know their crews are professional)

Check it out for yourself at http://aeroflot.ru/eng/company.asp?ob_no=3561

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:37 pm

hahhaa, that's great. LA is in Baja, Mexico?
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:38 pm

I was actually just looking at theirs, along with a bunch of other Russian airlines, and it didn't lappear too bad, compared to some. I mean one carrier I looked at listed "Mineral Water" as one of their destinations...!


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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
one carrier I looked at listed "Mineral Water" as one of their destinations

Are you serious?! HAHA, that just made my night  Smile
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:44 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
I looked at listed "Mineral Water" as one of their destinations...!



Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 3):
Are you serious?! HAHA, that just made my night

ever heard about the city of Mineralnye Woody, I asume not... as the translation into english is exactly what they post... Mineral Water.

[Edited 2007-07-01 05:55:35]
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:49 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
I mean one carrier I looked at listed "Mineral Water" as one of their destinations...!

Well, there *is* a town in Texas called Mineral Wells (west of Dallas/Ft. Worth), but I suspect no Russian airline flies there.  wink 

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Thread starter):
- Washington DC is marked as though it lies in South Carolina
- New York City is marked as though it lies in North Carolina

I chuckled upon viewing that map. Also of note: Havana is shown as being on the SOUTH shore of Cuba. And Toronto has been moved to the current location of Buffalo, New York.  Smile
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:05 pm

Dubai is in apparently in Qatar
Rome is about 100 miles south of, well Rome.
Copenhagen is on the Jutland (on the African map no less)
oh, and Manchester is in Wales

[Edited 2007-07-01 06:07:27]
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
ever heard about the city of Mineralnye Woody, I asume not... as the translation into english is exactly what they post... Mineral Water.

Very interesting, I did not know that! Thanks for the info.

Along the same lines as Baden baden, Germany - which translates Bath Bath, german
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:11 pm

Nice to see Toronto has made the jump to the States...
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 7):
Very interesting, I did not know that! Thanks for the info.

Along the same lines as Baden baden, Germany - which translates Bath Bath, german

yeah... sometimes the translation is ....  Smile btw, the mineral water from "Mineral Water" is very good, had the chance some years ago to take a flight with a nice Tu-204 of the local aeroflot subsidary...
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:18 pm

Zagreb is now a costal city. And Nice seems to have replaced Marseilles.

I wonder where MRS went?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:48 pm

Icelandair's does the same, particularly in their ads in Business Traveller magazine...
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:40 pm

I can understand their "relocation" of a few cities throughout Europe, considering what a dense network they seem to have there.

But since they only serve 5 or 6 destinations in North America... why move them around?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:16 pm

Havana is on the wrong coast, where Cienfuegos is supposed to be.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:12 pm

China eastern's route map is terrible as well - UK appears to have disappeared and singapore is somewhere near Jakarta and Bali.
http://www.flychinaeastern.com/images/routmap2.jpg
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Thread starter):
- Berlin is marked as though it lies in central Poland

Oh my God, another hint for the strange twins! Russia and the evil Germany want to divide Poland among each other again. Big grin

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
I mean one carrier I looked at listed "Mineral Water" as one of their destinations...!

...There is a town called "Mineral Waters" "Mineralnye Vody-Минера́льные Во́ды" in the northern caucasus. The airport code is MRV  Wink
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
ever heard about the city of Mineralnye Woody, I asume not... as the translation into english is exactly what they post... Mineral Water.



Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 16):
...There is a town called "Mineral Waters" "Mineralnye Vody-Минера́льные ?о́ды" in the northern caucasus. The airport code is MRV

Thanks! You learn something new every day, I just put it down to a mistake considering how badly designed and set up the rest of the site was - I think it was either Pulkovo or Rossiya Airways, probably the latter. Now I would be concerned if they fly to somewhere called "Cheese Sandwich", must take another look  Wink


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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
either Pulkovo or Rossiya Airways

both the same thing these days - and a very fine outfit to fly, too. HAM - LED with FV was an utter pleasure, both times on a lovely tu-154m with giant seats and pitch!

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Now I would be concerned if they fly to somewhere called "Cheese Sandwich", must take another look

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 15):
Oh my God, another hint for the strange twins! Russia and the evil Germany want to divide Poland among each other again. Big grin

HAHA, I thought this same thing as soon as I saw the Aeroflot map.
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 14):
China eastern's route map

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

When was that map drawn? In 1382???? Corsica and Italy seem to experience a serious melt down...

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 14):
China eastern's route map is terrible as well - UK appears to have disappeared and singapore is somewhere near Jakarta and Bali.

Anchorage has also been renamed to "Anchorang", giving a nice Korean ring to the city's name.  Smile

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 15):
Oh my God, another hint for the strange twins! Russia and the evil Germany want to divide Poland among each other again. Big grin

The ways things are going these days, this might not even be a joke..  Yeah sure
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:21 am

Hola!

Yeah! It's true. Barcelona -- BCN has just moved about 100 miles south, on the Ebre river and some miles inland as well...  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

Peanuts compared to the total disappearance act that some American airlines practised with Cuba. I used to fly to Panama with CO back in the 90s and the inflight magazine showing CO routes at the time did not even show the contour of the island.... so the Florida strait was much wider and Honduras, and especially, Nicaragua were closer to the US.

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 21):
When was that map drawn? In 1382???? Corsica and Italy seem to experience a serious melt down...

It was drawn 250 million years ago in pangea.
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 14):
China eastern's route map is terrible as well - UK appears to have disappeared and singapore is somewhere near Jakarta and Bali.
http://www.flychinaeastern.com/images/routmap2.jpg

Holy cow! Look how far inland Beijing is! And, Shanghai appears to have moved closer to where Beijing "was".  Wink

As for "Okimawa", "Anchorang", "Taibei", etc., in China Eastern's defense, I do understand that there is no direct phonetic translation between Mandarin (or Cantonese) and English. The same is true for Japanese, Arabic, and a lot of other languages.

I also dare say that Japan has been geographically "stretched" in order to accommodate all those destinations' names in two languages.
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 7):

Along the same lines as Baden baden, Germany - which translates Bath Bath, german

could also be "Spa Spa".

Not showing the actual, true location of a city was method in the communist world. The KGB was concerned that spies would find it too easy to wander around in their empire. Seems that Aeroflot is still confined in the old thinking.

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting DSMflyer (Reply 8):
Nice to see Toronto has made the jump to the States...

Looks like we've been relegated to the Erie Canal!!

And I'm sure our good friends in Montreal (a city not even currently served by SU), would be very pleased to see that they've morphed into the Province of Ontario -- Mon Dieu!
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:35 am

Montreal not only is relegated to Ontario....Lake Ontario to be exact. Maybe that is the mineral water referred to
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:55 am

hmmmmm, well, i live in mid wales, and correct me if i am wrong, but i never knew that Manchester was right on my doorstep, I think I would know if aeroflot were flying to my local airport, there would be alot of noise and screeching brakes  Wink
but where they have put aeroflot-Manchester is about 2 hours away, from REAL-Manchester Big grin

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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 25):
As for "Okimawa", "Anchorang", "Taibei", etc., in China Eastern's defense, I do understand that there is no direct phonetic translation between Mandarin (or Cantonese) and English. The same is true for Japanese, Arabic, and a lot of other languages.

SU really should hire a few native English speakers to edit their English publications, website, timetables etc. Their English translations are often terrible, especially since SU is now a member of SkyTeam.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:48 am

A couple questions derived from looking at the route map:

-Aeroflot, from a Russian viewpoint, seems more like "Moscow Airlines" as it seems like they don't offer any intra-Russia flights that don't begin/end in Moscow. So are they not an option when going from Vladivostok to Novosibirsk, unless you want to connect in Moscow? If not, do they code-share with another carrier for these sorts of trips?

-Aeroflot serves Luanda, and from what I recall its a once every two weeks type of deal. What is the point of maintaining this somewhat random destination. I figure that there is some political connection (as there was a political connection between Angola and Cuba at one point).....but maybe not, any comments?

-Any talk of Aeroflot coming back to Seattle? It surely made for a wonderful spotting experience.
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:07 am

Viscount724,
Pr1268 was speaking about China Eastern, not Aeroflot....  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Aa54heavy,
1. Yes that is for now. Hope we'll see some changes in near future  Wink
2. Political? Dont tink so... Maybe some other opinions. Will try to ask someone i know why.
3. No chances  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Does it really matter this kind of "problems"? I bet, that 95 out 100 people in NY will not point out on a map where Russia is. Dont even thinking of asking about Moscow  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting IL62M (Reply 32):
Does it really matter this kind of "problems"? I bet, that 95 out 100 people in NY will not point out on a map where Russia is. Dont even thinking of asking about Moscow

Touche!!! At the recent G-8 Summit, didn't Prez Bush refer to Russia as the "Soviet Union" during a joint conference/speech with Putin? So by comparison, a little global shifting of the map seems pretty harmless!!
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting IL62M (Reply 32):
Viscount724,
Pr1268 was speaking about China Eastern, not Aeroflot....

Thanks, I was reading too fast and thought it was all related to SU.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:51 am

Take a look a Gulf Air's website... where they've moved AMS, BRU, FRA and IST to!
They seem to have resized the state of Texas as well  Wink
http://www.gulfair.com/plan/routmap.htm
So... we've got SU, China Southern and Gulf Air in the race for worst routemap...
Which airline will get the price for the BEST routemap?
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 14):
China eastern's route map is terrible as well - UK appears to have disappeared and singapore is somewhere near Jakarta and Bali.

Anyone notice that Seoul is in China? That's a bit embarrasing considering this is a Chinese airline.

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
hahhaa, that's great. LA is in Baja, Mexico?

Confusion between LA and Mexico? Seems accurate to me  duck 
 
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:49 am

Now I know why the Soviets built the 100 Mega Tonn war head.
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RE: Aeroflot Routemap Errors

Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 14):
http://www.flychinaeastern.com/images/routmap2.jpg

Apparently Hong Kong is west of Macau, and is located somewhere in Thailand.

Apparently, Seattle is located on a small island about a hundred miles off the coast of where Vancouver is supposed to be, and Vancouver has been shifted up to the Alaskan/BC border.

Los Angeles appears to be south of Tijuana, San Francisco looks like its on the edge of Oregon.

Bangkok appears to be in Phuket... hmm...

there cartography skills are certainly cartoonish, hopefully, a flight to "Seattle" doesn't end up attempting to land off the coast of Vancouver island, due to pilot error reading the routemap.
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