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Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:12 pm

Hi, this is my first posting, so be gentle please... I have been reading the posts on the forum for about 3 years and finally registered.
I´ve found this video and even though I look it up on the database I couldn't find anything related, sorry if it has been posted before. It looked pretty amazing to me, I travel fairly often and have been struck once, which is not a pleasant experience at all. Hope you like it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2...ideo/x1zgq3_boeing-747-folgorato/1


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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:18 pm

That's scary!! Thank God there were no passengers in the a/c.

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:26 pm

I think this is quite common right? But my question is, did they noticed that from the inside? It is dangerous? Can someting in the plane be broken by this? Procedure at that moment?
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:44 pm

Sometimes it's noticed, sometimes not. Damage is usually restricted to burns on the surface, especially at fasterners, but sometimes you get serious damage (disbond and burning) to flight contol trailing edges.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:51 pm

Wow, scary/neat video. Thanks for sharing. I wonder why that guy was filming in a lighting storm, hopefully they were inside.

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:58 pm

I've been in two A/C that were struck by lightning -- once was a DL flight from MIA to LGA (757 I think) and once was CX HKG - JNB (744).

On the DL flight, there was a loud bang in the cabin, and the plane glowed blue for a moment ... I don't remember hearing anything on the CX flight, although there was the blue glow.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:15 pm

Scariest flight moment i've ever had; HA43 on Feb 21 this year heading out of SJC to HNL. There was only dense cloud on takeoff no thunder or lightning. 20 seconds after takeoff, were about to start climbing, engines reved and we started to ascend, when BANG!!!!!!!! And there was a tremendous flash of light outside the plane. And the engines were throttled back immediately (we flew level for a while) First thing I did was to look back at the engines through the windows (I was in 16H), both were still there. I honestly thought there may have been some kind of contained engine failure.

In any event Hawaiian almost needed to purchase new upholstery in that seat - I fly a lot and that certainly freaked me out!!!
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:47 pm

This post reminds me of the John Lithgow segment of Twilight Zone: The Movie where he freaks out on board a 707 flying through a thunderstorm. Lightning takes out an engine but he's convinced wingwalking gremlins are to blame...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't William Shatner play this very role in the original television series? My personal impression is that this video segment would scare anyone away from flying ever again!  Wink
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:49 pm

Wasn't there a 707 bought down by a lightning strike in the 60's?





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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 8):
Wasn't there a 707 bought down by a lightning strike in the 60's?

December 8, 1963, On a flight from SJU to PHL,and after a stop at BWI, PA 707-121 N709PA crashed (Elkton,MD) after lightning strike caused air-fuel explosion in a fuel tank. This particular aircraft had been delivered WITHOUT static-discharge wicks. Was quite the "bruhaha" over this little detail, and much research was done on fuel-tank venting, etc. Also brought (more) attention to the use of the particularly volatile JP-4 jet fuel in commercial jetliners.

Of note this was the aircraft that had the honor of inaugurating the first ever commercial jetliner service in the United States while on lease to NA, IDL-MIA December 10, 1958.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:41 pm

There was a 747 being delivered to the Iranian Air Force that may have been brought down by lightning as well - cause was never conclusively determined (lightning was not the leading theory, but it is a theory), but the plane did break up in mid-air after being struck by lightning. The accident report leans on suggesting this was coincidence.

What I'm wondering is if a plane gets struck on takeoff like this, is it SOP for it to return to the airport? Or do the pilots just keep going if everything seems to be working?

And what about if a plane gets hit at cruise? Land at the nearest airport for checks or continue on?
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:34 am

most lightning strikes don't cause dammage because lightning wants to ground itself. sure if it is going past a huge metal object, it may pass through, but without the electricity grounding itself, it's hard for it to release any of its energy.

now with that being said, one of the first flying stories my dad ever told me about was when he was flying an AA DC-10 in the 70's when the plane was struck by lightnight, and he said there was a bolt that shot all the way down the isle and traveled into the cockpit. he said he was diverted, and subsequently missed an interview that afternoon.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:40 am

I'd say that at cruise an airplane would not be struck by lightning since it is above the clouds.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 12):
I'd say that at cruise an airplane would not be struck by lightning since it is above the clouds.

Cumulonimbus clouds can reach 75,000 feet. I'm sure all of us have been in airplanes inside clouds at cruise. Some of us have probably even flown around or even through thunderstorms at cruise.

Here are some photos showing high-altitude lightning:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Darwin_storms.jpg
http://www.stormeyes.org/tornado/SkyPix/crawlers.htm
http://www.weatherpix.com/g2/v/Lightning/Lightning.jpg.html
http://www.stormeffects.com/images/52702%20Crosby%20CtyShCg2%20!.jpg

Not all lightning is ground-to-ground or even cloud-to-cloud either - some lightning shoots up out of the tops of clouds:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/science...ow/3214/images/02-vari-bluejet.jpg

I wonder if an airliner has ever been hit by blue jet lightning.

[Edited 2007-07-03 18:21:55]
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting FAEDC3 (Thread starter):
Hi, this is my first posting, so be gentle please...

Welcome to the forums !!! You´ll never regret having fainally decided to take the plunge !!!

If you like airplanes... You´ll love the Net !!!

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:43 am

Yikes!!! What an amazing video! Thanks so much for sharing.

I am new here too, so far I don't think anyone here bites  Smile
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 7):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't William Shatner play this very role in the original television series?

Indeed he did. Very scary stuff.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:31 am

Amazing and yet scary video!!

On a side note

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 9):
Of note this was the aircraft that had the honor of inaugurating the first ever commercial jetliner service in the United States while on lease to NA, IDL-MIA December 10, 1958.

It seems PA had bad luck with their "premiere" airplanes, if I remember correctly the 747 lost in Teneriffe was also their first 747.

Quoting Pplsxprs75 (Reply 15):
I am new here too, so far I don't think anyone here bites

Yeah, same here.  Wink

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:42 am

that is freakin scary, nice video, i got chills watching it
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:00 am

We were stacking over Toronto after the Gatwick flight on Air Transat when we saw the odd flash of lightening around us, nothing serious though. Suddenly there was a really loud bang and for a second i thought that an engine had exploded or something, there was no flash though, i assumed this was a lightening strike and in fact, had there been a flash it would have put us at ease quicker because we would have been able to relate the bang to something rather than wondering what happened. We were on the tarmac within about 10 minutes and having no announcement from the crew i guessed it was a run of the mill strike.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:03 am

Wow that's one impressive thing !

Is this video real by the way?

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...es/video/x2j52_west-coast-airlines

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
Is this video real by the way?

been on a.net loads of times....its an advert

[Edited 2007-07-03 22:05:16]
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:12 am

When I was a kid I was flying MCO to BWI on a US 727 through a nasty thunderstorm. I remember both rows of windows suddenly flaring bright white and an almost instant thunderclap. Scared me out of my seat.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:22 am

Welcome to A.net!

I remember last year, I was on AA436 (B772), from DFW-MIA, we got struck by lightning in or descent. We also had a few windshears. Also, the lights flickered and we had the blue-white light. It was so scary! Tail was N775AN.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:26 am

Welcome to A.net. Congratulations on making your first post. I'm sure some of you have been reading about the GSM flight from JFK-NOC has bee delayed "indefinately" since last Thursday due to the B757 being struck by lightening while it was landing at JFK on the inbound leg of the journey.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:03 am

I thought I had read somewhere like AOPA that there are around 2000 lightening strikes per year in the U.S. That sounds very high to me but I am guessing that most are very benign, probably noticed but maintenance at some point afterwards. Anybody else seen a statistic on this to refute or corroborate?

My father has always been concerned about lightening and composites. Anyone know how Boeing is addressing this in the 787?
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:03 am

I was on a flight from BOS-IAD in college for spring break. I had been in the lab for practically a week straight, so I was very tired when I got on the plane, and quickly fell asleep. I vaguely remember hearing the pilot say that we were in a holding pattern to land at IAD, but the weather there was awful. Shortly afterwards, I see a bright blue light through my closed eyelids accompanied by an incredible BANG!!! I open my eyes to a glowing blue which quickly goes away. I looked around and noticed everyone's faces were white as a ghost -- even the non-caucasians. A little girl screamed. A grown man screamed. I said to the lady sitting next to me, "did we just get hit by lightning?" The nervous lady replied "mmmhmmm!" unable to form any words. My response: "COOL!!"

I then explained to the people around me that there was most likely nothing wrong, that planes are designed to get struck by lightning, and that since this was an old plane (a DC-9), the pilots are flying the plane the old-fashioned way anyway. I told people to look out the window at the scorched wicks on the wings, and explained how those things protect us in flight. That was the first and last time my knowledge of airplanes ever calmed anyone's nerves.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 13):
Not all lightning is ground-to-ground or even cloud-to-cloud either - some lightning shoots up out of the tops of clouds:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/science...ow/3214/images/02-vari-bluejet.jpg

I wonder if an airliner has ever been hit by blue jet lightning.

There are some theories that suggest that the blue jet lightning (also called positron lightning, IIRC) is what downed the PA jet near Baltimore. This form of lightning is quite a bit more intense and destructive than the negatively charged lightning. Fortunately, it's also much rarer.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting FAEDC3 (Thread starter):
Hi, this is my first posting,

Hola and welcome!  Smile

Impresive video here, thanx for sharing! btw, did the aircraft go in this case or did they turn around and landed?

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 10):
What I'm wondering is if a plane gets struck on takeoff like this, is it SOP for it to return to the airport

The DL flight I was on, we were struck by lightning on take-off from MIA. The flight continued to LGA.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:50 am

Here's a video of a DL 737-800 being struck by lightening from the inside of the cabin.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...Air_Lines_Aviation_Video-4000.html

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:30 am

A completely shocking experience indeed.
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:01 am

I remember I was on a flight from DFW to HNL on a L-1011. I was sitting over the wing on the FO's side and we had just taken off and I saw a bolt of lightning hit the center of the wing and it left a dark circle on the spot it hit...we didnt stop and turn around though, we just kept on to HNL. Theis was like 15 years ago.

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:14 am

Here we go again with lightning. I did an article partly on the subject here...

The truth about lightning and airplanes...
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2005/12/23/pilot_midway_crash/

Long and short, planes are designed with strikes in mind. Only in the rarest circumstances is it dangerous. Best I know, there hasn't been a commercial passenger jetliner brought down by lightning since the early 1960s. Planes get hit all the time. I have three or four under my belt.

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting NEMA (Reply 21):
been on a.net loads of times....its an advert

Yeah? I've been a member here for a few years, and was hanging around for a few years before that.
I've never seen this video before.

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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:07 pm

When I worked for CO in PDX our EWR flight was canceled one night because it came it damaged. The #1 engine side winglet had a 3 inch wide hole in it apparently from lightning.

And I've never been in an airplane when lightning strikes it. I think it would be awesome though.  biggrin 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 13):
Not all lightning is ground-to-ground or even cloud-to-cloud either - some lightning shoots up out of the tops of clouds

I heard something about this on the Discovery Channel. Something they call super lightning. its something like a million more times powerful, and was just accepted as a scientific fact no more than 30 years ago. (thanks to the hard work of many pilot accounts)
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:24 pm

CRJ's are notorius for winglet and stab tip damage from lightning strikes. I have seen 6 inches of the winglet blown off. There is a mod out to correct this it is quite fun to do. A little sheet metal work is fun!
 
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Leothedog (Reply 33):

Yeah? I've been a member here for a few years, and was hanging around for a few years before that.
I've never seen this video before.

It is a fake and has been discussed many times on Anet...
RE: Interesting Landings (video) (by Beertrucker Oct 7 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Very cool vid of the 747, thanks for sharing
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RE: Lightning Strike 747 (video)

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:45 pm

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 11):
most lightning strikes don't cause dammage because lightning wants to ground itself. sure if it is going past a huge metal object, it may pass through, but without the electricity grounding itself, it's hard for it to release any of its energy.

Incorrect. Lightning strikes almost always cause some damage. Sometimes it's just an entry burn and exit burn. Sometimes you get what's called 'pecker tracks' down the fuselage. These occur as the lightning skips down the fuselage.

If the flight control surfaces are not properly bonded to the fuselage or the strike is too much for the bond, you will get a 'blow out' at the trailing edge of the affected flight control. I have changed rudders, ailerons and elevators for lightning damage. I have also replaced t/r translating sleeves.

Lightning damages aircraft all the time.
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