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Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:26 am

As in the title, Frontier has applied to the DOT for MKE-CUN:

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p101/475092.pdf

Service to start Decenver 15, 3 x weekly in season, Saturday out of season.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:28 am

Awesome news! Looks like they are trying to tap the ever busy MKE winter travel season.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 1):
Awesome news! Looks like they are trying to tap the ever busy MKE winter travel season

Its official, at Cancun Frontier holds veto power. How many F9 routes is that to CUN??
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
How many F9 routes is that to CUN??

8 now.

SAN, SLC, DEN, MCI, STL, IND, and BNA. MKE makes 8.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:30 am

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
8 now.

SAN, SLC, DEN, MCI, STL, IND, and BNA. MKE makes 8.

Wow!  wideeyed 

F9 has done a great job of securing Mexican routes.

I'm amazed at their route planning. Well done.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:21 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
SAN, SLC, DEN, MCI, STL, IND, and BNA. MKE makes 8.

Won't be long before we see most of these to Cabo
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:51 am

F9 shouldn't have any trouble making this flight work.

Having said that, this is an interesting move. Some uncertainty surrounds MKE's future right now, and many think that FL would not be so warmly welcomed there. Perhaps a subtle (and not unexpected) expansion is a subtle way of F9 sticking its neck out a bit lest a much larger opportunity present itself.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:18 am

Are they going to do another 'Send Flip to Mexico' type campaign for this? That would be sweet!
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
F9 shouldn't have any trouble making this flight work.

Having said that, this is an interesting move. Some uncertainty surrounds MKE's future right now, and many think that FL would not be so warmly welcomed there. Perhaps a subtle (and not unexpected) expansion is a subtle way of F9 sticking its neck out a bit lest a much larger opportunity present itself.

The good thing is that FL has nothing flying into Mexico.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
SAN, SLC, DEN, MCI, STL, IND, and BNA. MKE makes 8.

Which one of those airport that has high load factors to CUN? I am sure it is DEN or SAN. I am not sure how many passengers use IND-CUN because we also has NW offered n/s between IND-CUN too so bascially passengers make choice either Frontier or NW. I am surprised that Frontier add more city for n/s to CUN. I am wonder if it is good business decission or not?
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 10):
am not sure how many passengers use IND-CUN

From what I've heard (and maybe Mariner or someone can confirm this), F9 has been very happy with the IND-CUN peformance. Personally, if I lived in IND, I'd take F9 over NW any day. Their service is far superior, and they are often less expensive.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 10):
I am sure it is DEN or SAN.

DEN is surely good. The surprise is possibly SLC, which only drops below 90% load factor in the very slowest months of the year.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 11):
F9 has been very happy with the IND-CUN peformance.

In season, yes. Out of season, it goes to Saturday only and then service is suspended for two months, as shown here, on Frontier's Mexican "list":

http://www.frontierairlines.com:80/f...tes-timetables/mexico-timetable.do

For reference, CUN service from STL and BNA is suspended for four months.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:59 pm

Originally IND-CUN was supposed to be year round. Guess they figured those two months were pretty bad.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:56 am

Hmmm well somehow I guess I must've missed this thread announcing the good news. Does anyone know if NW going to continue their weekly seasonal MKE-CUN service? I was surprised earlier this year that they still flew the route.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 10):
I am surprised that Frontier add more city for n/s to CUN. I am wonder if it is good business decission or not?

Absolutely! Frontier's Mexico service is, and always has been, a huge money-maker. During the winter storm in DEN last year, F9 was repositioning aircraft all over the country to keep the point-to-point CUN flights running!
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
8 now.

SAN, SLC, DEN, MCI, STL, IND, and BNA. MKE makes 8.

What about the MDW-CUN charter? I know that is not scheduled, and I didn't think MDW had international gates (they must pre-clear or something).

As for the MKE-CUN service being a shot at FL, I think the opposite is true. F9 and FL have a marketing agreement where their booking sites will refer to each other, and you can earn ff miles/credits on both airlines.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 10):
IND-CUN because we also has NW offered n/s between IND-CUN too so bascially passengers make choice either Frontier or NW.

Well NW's loads are very full, all year around its going out typically oversold.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
Does anyone know if NW going to continue their weekly seasonal MKE-CUN service? I was surprised earlier this year that they still flew the route.

Most likely.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:13 am

This is an incredibly smart move for F9. As of a couple years ago there were 2 - 3 757s a day in the winter from MKE - Anyplaceabove10degreesfarenheit...(should be a new city code for that!) In addition we would see a number of other charters.

Good move for Frontier.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:41 am

I wonder how long it'll be until they announce MEM-CUN?
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 19):
I wonder how long it'll be until they announce MEM-CUN?

That'll be interesting.

NWA already flies MEM-CUN, and, after Frontier came to town, must have thought that Frontier would add a Mexican route.

So they applied for MEM-PVR. Can you say pre-emptive?

But I wonder if Frontier would do something else - MEM-MZT, perhaps? And it's still an open question as to whether they'll do anything Mexican from MEM.  Smile

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:57 am

Has CUN upgraded their facilities? They seem to be getting a lot of new service across the board.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting Wolfpacker (Reply 21):
Has CUN upgraded their facilities? They seem to be getting a lot of new service across the board.

They just opened a new terminal, not sure if F9 is there I know NW is.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:38 am

Might be a bit off topic, but does anyone know if USA3000 is going to be coming back to MKE? I flew them to PUJ a year ago and thought they were great. Its to bad they weren't around this past winter/spring.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting F9fan (Reply 16):
What about the MDW-CUN charter? I know that is not scheduled, and I didn't think MDW had international gates (they must pre-clear or something).

It's still running, at least on Saturdays. A1, A2, and A3 at MDW are all FIS gates.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:26 pm

Ok, so what routes to Mexico have been dropped so far (permanently, not the season ones)? The only one I can remember is AUS-CUN.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 22):
They just opened a new terminal, not sure if F9 is there I know NW is.

F9 is indeed one of the tenants of the new terminal.  Smile

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 19):
I wonder how long it'll be until they announce MEM-CUN?

That'll be interesting.

Speaking of F9 in MEM - I was always wondering how their MEM-MCO or MCO-MEM route was working out. If anything is a shot at NW it is that route.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:35 am

Who else has the route authority for CUN in MKE? NW has one, does anyone hold the other slot? Anyone care to speculate on the future of CUN in MKE? FL said that if the merger goes through with YX they will run a MKE-CUN flight. Obviously with NW and F9 holding the two slots this will not be possible. Will FL codeshare the flight with F9, or try to force NW to use or lose their slot?
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 27):
I was always wondering how their MEM-MCO or MCO-MEM route was working out.

Frontier MEM-MCO goes to 2 x daily by Christmas. MEM-DEN goes to 3 x daily in November. MEM-LAS goes to daily service (from 2 x weekly) in September.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 28):
Obviously with NW and F9 holding the two slots this will not be possible.

The bilateral was changed last year. Most of the Mexican resorts can now be served by three airlines from each country. GDL and MTY get added to that list in October, I think.

So a third authority MKE-CUN would be available to Airtran.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 29):
So a third authority MKE-CUN would be available to Airtran.

...and probably not of much interest to anyone else.
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:28 am

Didn't AirTran get approved for (and perhaps actually announce) either MCO-CUN or ATL-CUN before a hurricane did significant damage to CUN? I want to say that was back in 2005, but I'm not positive.
 
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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 31):
Didn't AirTran get approved for (and perhaps actually announce) either MCO-CUN or ATL-CUN before a hurricane

Close, but not quite. Airtran was scheduled to start ATL-CUN and TPA-CUN. Delta was slated to start MCO-CUN (and SLC-CZM, LAX-CZM):

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlan...tories/2005/12/05/newscolumn5.html

All were "postponed" because of Wilma, but then I think Airtran let their authorities lapse.

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RE: Frontier Applies For MKE-CUN

Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:51 am

For the record - MKE-CUN approved by the DOT:

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf101/476457_web.pdf

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