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Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:27 am

According to RFO Television, 20 percent of Air Tahiti Nui's Crews have been suspended and charged for drug traficking..

http://www.rfo.fr/dep.php?dep=070707092157.9roa8dgz

(sorry could only find it in French)
Apparently they bought extasy, cocaine and canabis in the USA to re-sell it in Tahiti. In 2005 already, one of their pilots was arrested for drug dealing and condemned to 15 months in jail. He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:36 am

It's not 20%, I think there are more than 450 flight attendants working for ATN. What a pity, they wasted their jobs and now they're giving a very bad image of a company which didn't need that. Shame on them.

And now to make things worse, f/a unions might decide to go on strike to protest against the decision to fire them. It's incredible.

EDIT: I've checked the figures, in 2006 there were 391 f/as at ATN, but I'm rather sure there are more than 400 now.

[Edited 2007-07-07 21:47:45]
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:15 am

Shame, I always find stories like this very troubling. Almost all airline employees worldwide are hard working honest individuals and stories like this helps create a negative impression of the industry.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 1):
It's not 20%

The article says 20%. Why is it not?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 1):
And now to make things worse, f/a unions might decide to go on strike to protest against the decision to fire them. It's incredible.

Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge? I think in the United States flight attendants have to be fired under those circumstances. I know a WN flight attendant was fired after she testified during the Danielle van Dam murder trial that she used marijuana.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
According to RFO Television, 20 percent of Air Tahiti Nui's Crews have been suspended and charged for drug traficking

That is actually shocking...

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
Apparently they bought extasy, cocaine and canabis in the USA to re-sell it in Tahiti. In 2005 already, one of their pilots was arrested for drug dealing and condemned to 15 months in jail. He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.

Maybe they were bring the drugs back to Tahiti to raise money for TN!  duck 

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge? I think in the United States flight attendants have to be fired under those circumstances

In the UK also. Your airline would have no choice but to fire you. Any drug related charges automatically fails you for a 'criminal record check' which is needed to gain an airside pass to work at any UK airport.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge?

Of course they do, I meant it's incredible that unions dare file a complaint against ATN's management and decide to go on strike. To fire them is the minimum ! They're compromising their own health, which is not the main problem, and the safety of passengers.

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 3):
The article says 20%. Why is it not?

33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
The article says 20%. Why is it not



Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.

Where does it say 33 f/a's in the article? I only read "several dozens" and "20%"
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.

In any case it is one to many..

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
Of course they do, I meant it's incredible that unions dare file a complaint against ATN's management and decide to go on strike. To fire them is the minimum ! They're compromising their own health, which is not the main problem, and the safety of passengers.

Sad thing is that it has just ruined the reputation of an already struggling airline..

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
I know a WN flight attendant was fired after she testified during the Danielle van Dam murder trial that she used marijuana.

WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up. My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample. I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since. We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

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Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up.

 crazy   crazy 
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample.

 eyepopping 

The firing should have not been contested as it was drug related. Being a Flight Attendant you are in a safety sensitive position, the fact alone that someone was rehired after urine tampering is scary!

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since.

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Amazing, no wonder why Flight Attendants love the unions so much.. You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

Is it any wonder the US has such a crappy reputation for flight crews?  stirthepot 

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

Different rules apply to different nations..

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:24 pm

Quoting ASWISSinMAD (Reply 8):
Where does it say 33 f/a's in the article?

Sorry, I should've made myself clearer. It was reported in Tahiti's newspapers that 33 f/as got suspended.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 9):
In any case it is one to many..

I agree with you on this point...

TN really didn't need that !
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:53 pm

Ia Orana all !!!

I am not going to say much about this whole story that is hitting the news like there is no tomorrow as TN crew managment is reading this and I know they already hate me for having critized their management !!! Anyway...

I have spoken to the union leaders as we have the same union at Air France and I believe that their point of view is justifiable.
First of all the union does not agree with drug trafficking or taking any kind of drugs. Why have they expressed their disagreement with the airline is because TN is going ahead with firing all 33 crew members, yet the crew members haven't been heard by the justice department and haven't appeared in court. Remember that until proven so, no one is guilty.
The union agrees with firing anyone that has been proven guilty as soon the the court decides so not before, that's all.
Now if you don't agree it's fine. I do hope that they will fire all of the bad apples and quick !
I also wish ATN all the success they deserve and that the good people will continue to work hard !

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:25 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Depending on circumstances, and of course, the drugs themselves, drug/alcohol addictions may be considered a health issue/handicap. In that regard, it's like an illness, and would be treated as one.

It's funny to get upset about drugs though, because few people truly have drug issues. Alcohol, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, and in my mind a much bigger safety issue.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 14):
Depending on circumstances, and of course, the drugs themselves, drug/alcohol addictions may be considered a health issue/handicap. In that regard, it's like an illness, and would be treated as one.

It's funny to get upset about drugs though, because few people truly have drug issues. Alcohol, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, and in my mind a much bigger safety issue.

Alcohol should never be referred to in an "on the other hand" manner. It's a drug like ecstasy and heroin that is strongly addictive over time and does enormous damage. And the same can be said for tobacco. As a safety issue alcohol is at least as dangerous as heroin or ecstasy due to ready access to it, and due to the marketing forces promoting its' use -- and from which our governments happily take huge wads of cash.

Substance abuse and dependency is a health/medical issue, and, IMHO, not a crime. And should be dealt with as such.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:03 pm

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up. My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample. I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since. We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

I too have flown into PPT for over 5 years with NZ and i have to say that crew member must of been doing something suspicious to get a full body search or its just a story that has been blown out of proportion .. Full body searches are only done if there is a reason ie suspicion of drugs on the person !!! Our crews used to go there all the time and NEVER have i heard of anything like that at all .. If anything PPT and the police were always VERY relaxed mind you after leaving LAX anything is relaxed ..
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 16):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

I find it strange: first, in French law drug oriented thorough searches are to be done only by customs officers not police, then, only doctors can do "cavity" searches...not officers
if this story truly happened, that was rape indeed
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.

I had a guy in the army who was constantly on speed and extacy. I highly doubt that the pilot could have come on board on drugs. If he had taken them during flight someone should have recogniced something or the F/O was on extacy too.

What a flight!  Smile
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:00 pm

I'd like to point out that trafficking does not in any way equate to personal use or addiction. The blatent lack of knowlege regardng this subject displayed by some here is nothing short of hilarious.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

A positive urine sample does not prove addiction.
Ever wonder how many current alcoholics are in charge of your safety?
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 20):
A positive urine sample does not prove addiction.

The fact that a Flight Attendant purposely tainted a urine sample, is and of itself a sign of an addictive behavior..

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Most unions have an EAP (employee assistance program) .Just one of the benefits that I get for paying my union dues for the last 21 years.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
The firing should have not been contested as it was drug related. Being a Flight Attendant you are in a safety sensitive position, the fact alone that someone was rehired after urine tampering is scary!

Who made you judge,jury and executioner ? When I tampered, it was counted as a false positive. So there fore, I should have been put into rehab but was not. After I was reinstated, I went to 6 months of rehab and that was followed by 5 years of random urine tests. Sometimes it was every other week or monthly, ALL CLEAN!

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Amazing, no wonder why Flight Attendants love the unions so much.. You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

I actually do love my union,they came through for me when I really needed them. I think you are sorely lacking in compassion if you can write someone off without giving them a chance to correct themselves. They are quite a few ex- addicts flying now at my airline having completed the rehab program. Some went back to using but most cleaned their lifves up and are great flight attendants.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 5):
Maybe they were bring the drugs back to Tahiti to raise money for TN

hahah

TN did not need this at all, very sad to hear. What puzzles me is that most people go to French Polynesia to relax, unwind and take it easy, not to get all whacked out on E. Kind of odd.

As for the pilot being suspected of flying JFK-LAX while on E, that is simply f*cking ridiculous. I really really hope that's not true.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 23):
As for the pilot being suspected of flying JFK-LAX while on E, that is simply f*cking ridiculous. I really really hope that's not true.

I think the flight was Los Angeles to Paris?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.



Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

A cavity search should only be performed by a medical practitioner as this is a proceduere that carries a small but significant risk. In addition cavity searches a very rare, usually an abdominal/pelvic X-ray will suffice. In most civilsed countries a suspect, if being strpped searched has the right to have that search by an authorised official of the same gender. At the very least, if the above account is true, then the police officer concerned would be guilty of serious sexual assault if not rape. I suggest your co-worker contacts your compmay's legal dept or trade union.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:27 pm

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 25):
A cavity search should only be performed by a medical practitioner as this is a proceduere that carries a small but significant risk. In addition cavity searches a very rare, usually an abdominal/pelvic X-ray will suffice. In most civilsed countries a suspect, if being strpped searched has the right to have that search by an authorised official of the same gender. At the very least, if the above account is true, then the police officer concerned would be guilty of serious sexual assault if not rape. I suggest your co-worker contacts your compmay's legal dept or trade union.

I would put money on this never ever happened !! For a start the poster is from HNL now if a American carriers crew member was subject to this kind of treatment unjustly they would of likely sued someone by now .. This would of been a case of rape .. French Polynesia is a civilised country ( territory of France ) so i doubt this ever eventuated .. As i have said i have travelled through there as crew the staff there were so relaxed i doubt they would of wanted to of searched any crew member .. i have never even seen a bag search of a crew member in Tahiti ..
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 26):
I would put money on this never ever happened !! For a start the poster is from HNL now if a American carriers crew member was subject to this kind of treatment unjustly they would of likely sued someone by now .. This would of been a case of rape .. French Polynesia is a civilised country ( territory of France ) so i doubt this ever eventuated ..

I would agree with you there. I have grave doubts about the accuracy of this tale.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:54 pm

Drug use and drug tracifficating are two different things. Most empolyers will give you a second chance if you enter rehab and get help for drug use. The law does not give you a second chance if you are caught selling drugs.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 26):
I would put money on this never ever happened !! For a start the poster is from HNL now if a American carriers crew member was subject to this kind of treatment unjustly they would of likely sued someone by now .. This would of been a case of rape .. French Polynesia is a civilised country ( territory of France ) so i doubt this ever eventuated ....

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100% Agreed

Very well put as well. I have a feeling the "story" about the Hawaiian Airlines Flight Attendant having a cavity search in Tahiti was nothing more than a "tale of nothing". I just cant comprehend something like that being done in Tahiti. From personal experience, having been to Tahiti 4 times in the past 15 years, I cannot say that once I ever felt the officials worried one about what was coming into the country. Everyone seemed happy, friendly, and congenial. I just cant help but believe the story was either made up or was drawn way out of what it really was...

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 26):
As i have said i have travelled through there as crew the staff there were so relaxed i doubt they would of wanted to of searched any crew member .. i have never even seen a bag search of a crew member in Tahiti ..

While I will not attempt to defend my coworkers claim of a colleague being "cavity" searched in PPT, I will say from personal experience that the customs officials there do indeed search crew members in customs. Back in 99-01, I would fly regularly to PPT where we would have 5-7 day layovers there due to our contract with Renaissance Cruises. I would say more often then not, my bags would be searched upon arrival there. I can even recall times where we were taken into a separate room and asked to empty our pockets in front of inspectors. It was quite intimidating. I have travelled there several times on holiday and again, my bags were searched along with those belonging to my parents. Once they questioned my father for several minutes because he had a jar of peanut butter!

Quoting Ken4556 (Reply 28):
Drug use and drug tracifficating are two different things. Most empolyers will give you a second chance if you enter rehab and get help for drug use. The law does not give you a second chance if you are caught selling drugs.

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Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 29):
From personal experience, having been to Tahiti 4 times in the past 15 years, I cannot say that once I ever felt the officials worried one about what was coming into the country.

I don't think that your 4 visits to Tahiti in 15 years qualifies you to be the authority on PPT customs procedures. I assure you and the others, searches do happen there.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Ken4556 (Reply 28):
The law does not give you a second chance if you are caught selling drugs.

The only exception would be if the seller is an adict himself and sells some of the stuff to finance his own addiction (mostly small time street dealers).
Mafia types, who are just in for the profit, without being addicted themselves, usually get the book thrown at them.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 30):
I don't think that your 4 visits to Tahiti in 15 years qualifies you to be the authority on PPT customs procedures. I assure you and the others, searches do happen there

From experience, I can again attest to the fact that I have never seen a overly cautious, or angry Tahitian Customs Official. If there ever was such a search (which myself and most other people on this forum that have been to Tahiti doubt), it was more likely due to the suspected drug trade associated with the Hawaiian market.

After reading what Pualani wrote I think more customs and airport security agents will look at Hawaiian Airlines crews. If the Hawaiian Airlines Union allows drug addicts, and people that tamper with urine samples back to work that is a problem in and of itself. Remember that airline management, customs officials, and so forth from around the World and travellers around the World read this website. I would not be surprised if certain customs officials would be all to eager to search and research Hawaiian Airlines crews with the can of information that Pualani just released about Hawaiian Airlines and drug use..

Quoting HALFA (Reply 30):
While I will not attempt to defend my coworkers claim of a colleague being "cavity" searched in PPT, I will say from personal experience that the customs officials there do indeed search crew members in customs. Back in 99-01, I would fly regularly to PPT where we would have 5-7 day layovers there due to our contract with Renaissance Cruises. I would say more often then not, my bags would be searched upon arrival there. I can even recall times where we were taken into a separate room and asked to empty our pockets in front of inspectors.

You are forgetting of course that Hawaii has become known more recently for drug activity!

http://www.worldvision.org/worldvisi...360C5882570F4007769C3?OpenDocument

http://www.drugabusestatistics.samhsa.gov/2k4State/Hawaii.htm

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....23154d-78a6-408d-bbe9-6c644a52242b


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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:32 am

Air Tahiti's new tag line:
Fly Air Tahiti-we're high before we even leave the ground  Wink

No disrespect to the airline, I love their paint scheme!
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:38 am

I can tell you from my flying expierence as a crewmember on charters to PPT that customs did a very through check of all the crew members bags. Infact, one of the crew members on one trips had removed serveral bottles of champagne from the a/c and they were almost detained for this. I was the purser on the trip and along with the TN purser that flew with us a a representative for TN had to do some talking to get that person out of trouble sans the champagne of course.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:54 am

Maybe they should pay their crews more and they wouldn't be trying to make extra cash on the side.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):
Infact, one of the crew members on one trips had removed serveral bottles of champagne from the a/c and they were almost detained for this.

So in other words one of your crewmembers stole champagne off of the aircraft?

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):
I can tell you from my flying expierence as a crewmember on charters to PPT that customs did a very through check of all the crew members bags.

Do you work for OAI or Hawaiian Airlines?

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):
I was the purser on the trip and along with the TN purser that flew with us a a representative for TN had to do some talking to get that person out of trouble sans the champagne of course.

Sorry, your last statement makes zero sense?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 36):
Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):

So in other words one of your crewmembers stole champagne off of the aircraft?

Yes they did.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):


Do you work for OAI or Hawaiian Airlines?

Neither one.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):

Sorry, your last statement makes zero sense?

Was a subservice operated for Air Tahiti Nui, so flight had 2 TN crewmembers onboard 1 Purser ( CCP ) and 1 Cabin crew (Hot.)

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 37):
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 36):
Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):

So in other words one of your crewmembers stole champagne off of the aircraft?

Yes they did.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):


Do you work for OAI or Hawaiian Airlines?

Neither one.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):

Sorry, your last statement makes zero sense?

Was a subservice operated for Air Tahiti Nui, so flight had 2 TN crewmembers onboard 1 Purser ( CCP ) and 1 Cabin crew (Hot.)

-JD

Forgive me if my response seems rude, but a few things are not making sense with what you are saying.

To start your profile says that you live in the United States, 21-25, and are a Flight Attendant. So if that is true the only US airlines recently and in the past few years to do charters and traffic into Tahiti have been Hawaiian Airlines, and OAI. So what airline?

Secondly you say that there were 2 TN Crewmembers and a Purser from TN onboard as well. Can you explain to us how a US based airline is able to staff 2 non-US based Flight Attendant/ 1 non-US based Purser among your crew compliment?

Third as a Purser what did you do when you discovered the crewmember stole the champagne off of your aircraft?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:21 am

ATA has operated subservice on behalf of Air Tahiti Nui.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 39):
ATA has operated subservice on behalf of Air Tahiti Nui.

Sorry, about that.. Question, what equipment did they use?

That is making me wonder even more as TZ hasnt hired in a while, and the age on the profile said 21-25. It is just that some parts of the "champagne" story do not make sense. In addition were the 2 TN Flight Attendants aboard, and Purser aboard for linguistic reasons? If so how many Flight Attendants were onboard in total?

The thought of TZ subbing for TN.. Is well... You know..   

-JD

[Edited 2007-07-09 22:34:20]

[Edited 2007-07-09 22:35:06]
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 40):
Sorry, about that.. Question, what equipment did they use?

L-1011
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 41):
L-1011

Interesting when did this happen?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 38):

To start your profile says that you live in the United States, 21-25, and are a Flight Attendant. So if that is true the only US airlines recently and in the past few years to do charters and traffic into Tahiti have been Hawaiian Airlines, and OAI. So what airline?

Airline was ATA with the L1011 and was flown in 2004. Sorry my profile has not been updated.

Secondly you say that there were 2 TN Crewmembers and a Purser from TN onboard as well. Can you explain to us how a US based airline is able to staff 2 non-US based Flight Attendant/ 1 non-US based Purser among your crew compliment?

The Purser and 1 Flight Attendant were on board as representatives of TN. They did not preform any safety related duties only assisted in service aspects. They were seated in passenger seats not jumpseats.



[Edited 2007-07-09 22:57:38]
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 43):
Airline was ATA with the L1011 and was flown in 2004. Sorry my profile has not been updated.

Great, thanks for the information...

Have you worked the DC-10-30 yet?

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 43):
The Purser and 1 Flight Attendant were on board as representatives of TN. They did not preform any safety related duties only assisted in service aspects. They were seated in passenger seats not jumpseats.

Very good, thanks for the clarification!

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 32):
From experience, I can again attest to the fact that I have never seen a overly cautious, or angry Tahitian Customs Official.

Can't say that I've ever seen an "angry" Tahitian Customs Official either. Ones temperament has no bearing on ones ability to perform their job. Just because the customs officer isn't angry doesn't mean he wont conduct a complete search of crew and their belongings. What does that have to do with anything?

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 32):
If the Hawaiian Airlines Union allows drug addicts, and people that tamper with urine samples back to work that is a problem in and of itself.

The HA flight attendant union does not decide if one can return to work if one is caught using drugs. This is a decision made by the company. As Pualani pointed out, the normal procedure is for the employee to be suspended from duty, and a mandatory rehabilitation is ordered. If one successfully completes a rehabilitation, he/she will be reinstated and be subjected to frequent drug tests.I have no problem with our company dealing compassionately with people with addiction issues. You make it sound as if the majority of our staff have drug problems which is far from the case. I can count on one hand the amount of HA crew members that have been caught with a positive drug test and have since gone on to finish rehab and are back working for us, and I am happy to have them back, clean and sober. This is not unique to HA, but standard in the industry.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 32):
I would not be surprised if certain customs officials would be all to eager to search and research Hawaiian Airlines crews with the can of information that Pualani just released about Hawaiian Airlines and drug use..

You don't seem to have a very good grasp of how the industry works.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 32):
You are forgetting of course that Hawaii has become known more recently for drug
activity!

And now what point are you trying to make? First you state that in all of your experiences with PPT customs, you have never been searched and know of no one else who has, and now you are trying to tell me why it is that HA crew members are being searched so often in PPT, because you think there is an ICE epidemic in Hawaii? Ok, whatever.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 34):
I can tell you from my flying expierence as a crewmember on charters to PPT that customs did a very through check of all the crew members bags.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 32):
After reading what Pualani wrote I think more customs and airport security agents will look at Hawaiian Airlines crews. If the Hawaiian Airlines Union allows drug addicts, and people that tamper with urine samples back to work that is a problem in and of itself. Remember that airline management, customs officials, and so forth from around the World and travellers around the World read this website. I would not be surprised if certain customs officials would be all to eager to search and research Hawaiian Airlines crews with the can of information that Pualani just released about Hawaiian Airlines and drug use..

Are you just ignorant or do you have some mental disability ? ALL U.S airlines have recovering addicts, whether it is painkillers, hard drugs,or weed. Missouri had over 800 meth labs busted by the police, I seriously doubt customs or security is gonna look twice at someone if they have a Missouri ID.

By the way....I noticed you joined A.net in May 07......over 800 posts already !!! GET A LIFE !!!!!

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 45):
And now what point are you trying to make? First you state that in all of your experiences with PPT customs, you have never been searched and know of no one else who has, and now you are trying to tell me why it is that HA crew members are being searched so often in PPT, because you think there is an ICE epidemic in Hawaii? Ok, whatever.

Re-read what I wrote. Your spin on things is rather different than what is fact in reality. To start I said that I have never had, nor can I ever remember friends or family of mine complaining of having a hard time in Tahiti with Customs and Immigration. Friends might I add that are Flight Attendants that have served Tahiti. Second, your fellow co-worker Pualani, who has admitted drug use said that that they of someone that was a Hawaiian Airlines F/A that was "raped" while dealing with customs at Papeete.

At that point I responded with the fact that Hawaii suffers from a rather large drug addiction problem, and perhaps that is the reason, (if the event ever really happened), that the Hawaiian Airlines crew member was "raped" or whatever else Pualani wanted to word it as..

Quoting HALFA (Reply 45):
You don't seem to have a very good grasp of how the industry works.

That was priceless.. Isnt there a meal cart that needs to be pushed?

Quoting Pualani (Reply 46):
Are you just ignorant or do you have some mental disability ? ALL U.S airlines have recovering addicts, whether it is painkillers, hard drugs,or weed. Missouri had over 800 meth labs busted by the police, I seriously doubt customs or security is gonna look twice at someone if they have a Missouri ID.

Sorry what do Meth Labs in Missouri have to do with the topic of Air Tahiti Nui crews smuggling drugs? In refernce to the other US airlines having addicts as Flight Attendants. You have one chance to take a drug test, you fail you are dismissed. You tamper, you are dismissed. I dont believe there are ways around the fact that a person tests positive fro drugs. There is such a thing as a Zero Tolerance Policy, it is a shame that Hawaiian Airlines would seem not to have one.

You admitted to drug use and tampering with a urine sample. Myself and other on this forum were shocked that you were allowed back to work, and that the Hawaiian Airlines Flight Attendant Union would back up drug use. Like it or not being a Hawaiian Airlines Flight Attendant, and being on this forum, you have posted something that could very well be viewed by other airlines management, or customs officials in out stations. I am sure their are a number of people employed by Air Tahiti Nui viewing this topic, just as I am sure there are people working for the Tahitian customs reading this topic.

In that instance you by admitting drug use may have just flagged Hawaiian Airlines, for further searches in Tahiti.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.



Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 47):
Second, your fellow co-worker Pualani, who has admitted drug use said that that they of someone that was a Hawaiian Airlines F/A that was "raped" while dealing with customs at Papeete.

Why don't you reread what I wrote, she told me she felt like she was being raped. I don't remember if any legal action took place but I do know that she was very traumatized .

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 47):
Sorry what do Meth Labs in Missouri have to do with the topic of Air Tahiti Nui crews smuggling drugs?

Your the one who brought the up the Meth epidemic we have here in Hawaii and "how security and customs are gonna target Hawaiian Air crews". Whatever !!!!! Let's see....hmmm....there are HA,AQ,GO,NW and the other smaller regionals that have crews based here. So I guess what you are implying all these airlines will be targeted too ? I DON'T THINK SO ......

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 47):
In refernce to the other US airlines having addicts as Flight Attendants. You have one chance to take a drug test, you fail you are dismissed. You tamper, you are dismissed.

Good thing I don't live in your perfect world where no one makes a mistake and where you can offer an opinion on just about every topic on this forum. Over 800 posts in two months....that just boggles my mind. Sounds like you have an addiction too. By the way, HA is a part of the AFA....so is United,Alaska,ATA, essentially the largest flight attendant union in the U.S, I believe we all have the same policies regarding testing positive on a drug test. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting Pualani (Reply 48):
Good thing I don't live in your perfect world where no one makes a mistake and where you can offer an opinion on just about every topic on this forum. Over 800 posts in two months....that just boggles my mind. Sounds like you have an addiction too. By the way, HA is a part of the AFA....so is United,Alaska,ATA, essentially the largest flight attendant union in the U.S, I believe we all have the same policies regarding testing positive on a drug test. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Try not to detract from the topic.. Back to what we were discussing TN and their crews suspended after drug trafficing. The whole reason that we are talking about the subject of Hawaii, Hawaiian Airlines, and drugs is because you mentioned that you used to be on drugs, and you tampered with a urine sample. You ever admitted that your Union got the job back for you with back pay.. Is that something to be proud of?

We cannot ignore what you interjected into this topic about Hawaiian Airlines, and your drug use detracted from the recent TN Flight Attendants Drug Smuggling..

Quoting Pualani (Reply 48):
Your the one who brought the up the Meth epidemic we have here in Hawaii and "how security and customs are gonna target Hawaiian Air crews". Whatever !!!!! Let's see....hmmm....there are HA,AQ,GO,NW and the other smaller regionals that have crews based here. So I guess what you are implying all these airlines will be targeted too ? I DON'T THINK SO ......

Sorry, you admitted drug use.. We are going on what you admitted..

Quoting Pualani (Reply 48):
Why don't you reread what I wrote, she told me she felt like she was being raped. I don't remember if any legal action took place but I do know that she was very traumatized

If she was not guilty or had nothing to hide she would not have been traumatized.. I doubt the whole event ever happened.. Reading over the posts in this topic, it would seem as if other people share my questioning whether this "rape" or whatever you call it ever happened..

-JD
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