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Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:56 am

Over the last few days I've noticed that when you Google an "N" number, the FAA registry does not appear as the top entry anymore? In fact, unless you look it up, it doesn't seem to show at all. It used to always be the top entry. I just thought it strange, and wonder what you all thought.
 
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:01 am

Why not just use Landings.com?


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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 1):
Why not just use Landings.com?

Why not go direct to the source...??? FAA.gov.....???
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:08 am

If he's like me, he may have a google bar built into his browser which makes it easier to just google it.

Just a thought.

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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:17 am

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I have no problem getting the information I need, it's just that I'm a Google junkie and have always put the reg I am looking for in the search bar, and the first that has come up for years has been the FAA registry. I do this so I can kill several birds with one stone, so to speak. I get my registry, serial number, and get to see if the aircraft I am researching has further information which may be of interest, and I get it all from one page.

I was just wondering why the top entry is not the FAA one as it has been for years.
 
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Why not go direct to the source...??? FAA.gov.....???

Some people don't like the direct sources since they are often more difficult to navigate. Since this person mentioned Google I offered a competing portal product for that type of lookup.

I always use the FAA, DOT and other official sources for information.

I actually had one supposed "respected" member on here try to use a F9 press release to define domestic versus flag carrier definitions, even after I posted the FAR 121 section, he still argued that F9's defiinition was correct and the FAA was wrong !

If it's on the "Internets" it must be true LOL.

Many people don't realize the order of search results on Google are often paid for, and do not show up by relavance primarily. The FAA would never pay Google for anything , so they no longer appear at the top.

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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 4):
I guess I wasn't clear enough

Your original post was quite clear to me - because I too normally use google to get a quick link to the N number search, but I had not noticed the change till I read this thread. I last looked up a N-number using the google way about a week back, so the change (as you already note) is really quite recent. Do not know what caused it.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:34 am

Whenever you google registrations, it seems that there is always a picture of it on airliners.net.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 6):
Do not know what caused it.

Google's stock is doing so well because they charge for everything, The linking of other sites to the site that comes up as the search result drive where things show up in a search result. The FAA has no commerical need to have anything show up on Google at the top of their list and they don't link to other sites .

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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):

Some people don't like the direct sources since they are often more difficult to navigate.

Just 3 clicks on the FAA site and it gives you way more information, plus different methods to search.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Just 3 clicks on the FAA site and it gives you way more information, plus different methods to search

Yes I know but a lot of people are used to using portals and aggregation sites rather the the source.


Just like the SEC/Edgar database has detailed information about airline's (and any other publicly held company) quarterly and yearly operations, stock options, and director changes, financing covenants and KPI's yet Anet usually gets posts like "My cousin's mom's brother's 1/2 sister is a CSR for DL and she says they are buying back their 767-200's !"
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 8):
Dollars caused it. Google's stock is doing so well because they charge for everything, including where things show up in a search result. The FAA has no commerical need to have anything show up on Google at the top of their list, so they aren't their any more.

Well the top results for the N-number queries are now A.Net and that other photo site whose name is not to be mentioned. I do not think A.Net and the other site are paying google for the honor of having the first results. So while you appear to be sure that it is a question of "dollars" , I am not convinced that that is the reason.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 11):
Well the top results for the N-number queries are now A.Net and that other photo site whose name is not to be mentioned. I do not think A.Net and the other site are paying google for the honor of having the first results. So while you appear to be sure that it is a question of "dollars" , I am not convinced that that is the reason

I said "primarily", as you link to more sites, the higher your results will be. Many people pay to have other sites link to them which drives up their results. You can also put key words in a HTML header to drive up relavance in the ordered results. If you put the term "Aircraft Registration" in an HTML header on a web page 1000 times you will also show up ahead of the FAA. Google first ranks by paid search and then by relavance (simply stated).

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
Many people don't realize the order of search results on Google are often paid for, and do not show up by relavance primarily

not "Only", primarily i.e first, sorry for any confusion

Quoting WestWing (Reply 11):
Well the top results for the N-number queries are now A.Net

I got flightaware.com on the one I just did.

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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 12):

It would appear that you may either not have seen or do not remember what the original poster is talking about. The "Lookup aircraft with registration N***" link, was a separate item that appeared below the sponsored links at the top of the page and above the first result in the normal search. So the FAA link was not a "ranked" page in the normal sense of the ordered set of page links that show up in response to a search. It was a "special" link.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:06 am

I noticed that also yesterday. I just go to http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp now.
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
Many people don't realize the order of search results on Google are often paid for, and do not show up by relavance primarily. The FAA would never pay Google for anything , so they no longer appear at the top.

While that may be true of other search engines, Google keeps the "sponsored links" separate from everything else. The stuff after the sponsored links section is sorted by relevance.
 
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10):
Yes I know but a lot of people are used to using portals and aggregation sites rather the the source.

Yes, that's exactly it. I use it to access the "official" sites as well as some off-the-wall places that are often chock full of interesting stuff. It also gives you a quick overview of just how common or popular a certain aircraft or registration may be on the web. Perhaps you will encounter an NTSB report about a certain airframe, or some other interesting information that just wouldn't be immediately available if you just stick to the "official" sites.

And yes, A.net is often there near the top, and I consider it a reliable source of information, at least as far as registrations, serial numbers, and latest liveries, especially for more recent aircraft. I will often research an aircraft that just doesn't show up anywhere, and that's when you have to do some serious digging.

I dunno...I can think of all kinds of reasons why I do the "Googles" on the "internets!"
 
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):

It would appear that you may either not have seen or do not remember what the original poster is talking about. The "Lookup aircraft with registration N***" link, was a separate item that appeared below the sponsored links at the top of the page and above the first result in the normal search. So the FAA link was not a "ranked" page in the normal sense of the ordered set of page links that show up in response to a search. It was a "special" link.

Exactly!!!
 
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RE: Googling "N" Numbers...have You Noticed?

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):
It would appear that you may either not have seen or do not remember what the original poster is talking about. The "Lookup aircraft with registration N***" link, was a separate item

Oh, he didn't specifically state a seperate link. I was talking about the generic search sorry again for any confusion.

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