lmml 14/32
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Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:47 am

With FR ordering 27 more 737-800's they will surely need another base. there is a lot of talk of an MLA base. This will surely destroy BritishJet and will definately have a negative effect on the ailing AirMalta. Doe anyone think that an MLA base will ever become a reality?
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:03 pm

Hi LMML 14/32!

I would personally love the next FR base to be either MJV or ALC.

MLA wouldn't be all that bad, but I seriously doubt that happening given that the next general elections are rumoured to be held in May 2008... and that can change a lot of things on Malta. If FR were to open a base at MLA, I can't see it happening before October 2008 at the very earliest.

A base in FAO would be nice too.

With regards to BritishJET.com, I, for one, would love to see them go bust for the way they treat their personnel, not to mention their customers.

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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:05 pm

I had no idea BritishJet had such a bad reputation! Good to know though.

As for Air Malta. What's the situation right now? I hear the pilots are leaving the airline at such a high rate that flights have already had to be cancelled due to pilot shortage. Has the financial situation of Air Malta not improved at all? It seems to me that if an airline can't even bring in a profit in the current, healthy economic climate its chances of surviving the inevitable next economic down-turn are not that rosy!

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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:24 pm

I know the word around the company was Bristol and Bournemouth last month, i know Bristol is now announced but im not sure if it was a case of choosing between the 2 or if they were both going to be the next bases, so anyhow i would keep your eyes on BOH.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:47 pm

I wish it was NCL or MME, won't happen though Sad
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Thread starter):
the ailing AirMalta

A bit off-topic, but to what extent is Air Malta ailing? In the thread, operational problems due to crew shortage are mentioned, what else? High losses? Instability of operations? How does the Maltese government react? Do they want to sell the shares to a foreign investor?

As for the next Ryanair base, there are plenty of options available, including EIN, BSL, TSF, AHO, VLC, REU, BOH, SXF, PRG, MJV, ALC, BLL. History of Ryanair base creation shows that not all new bases are airports that already have many flights, so we might well see a surprise:

BRE: did not have any FR flight at the time of base announcement
MRS: did not have any FR flight at the time of base announcement (PIK and STN announced earlier, though)
MAD: did not have any FR flight at the time of base announcement (DUB announced earlier, though)
BRS: only had DUB and GRO operating

Actually, of all new bases, only NRN already had a bunch of flights when it was announced that it would become a base. And TSF, EIN, BVA and RIX have been suggested for years now, but (for various reasons) they all are not a base yet.

With respect to placements of aircraft, quite some bases should be able to receive more aircraft than they have now. HHN is expanding the airport incrementally to accomodate 3 more aircraft every year from now up to 2012. NRN has a gate available for a 5th aircraft. 2 more aircraft for MAD (currently 3) have been announced on the Spanish Ryanair website, but not on the English one and are not on the map or the booking system yet (very strange). CRL will get a new terminal and will defenitely get more aircraft as their capacity is currently completely maxed out.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 2):

It is n ot that BritishJet hasa bad reputation, but with their sole airlcraft they are already feeling the pinch. As for Airmalta (KM) pilots leaving, KM has hired zero hour pilots from various countries to make up for the shortage. Only one flight was delayed because of the situation but that was due to the pilot going sick minutes before departure and no standbys were available. Otherwise all flights are leaving on time as scheduled. Do not beleive all you read in the newspapers.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 4):
I wish it was NCL or MME, won't happen though

You never know - FR seem to like having the same UK bases as EZY. Only Easyjet UK bases that are not FR bases are NCL and LGW. Co-incidence?
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):

You never know - FR seem to like having the same UK bases as EZY. Only Easyjet UK bases that are not FR bases are NCL and LGW. Co-incidence?

I really hope they do - I was expecting them to do something at MME when WW pulled out. It would be good to see, NCL would be massive if they do come to town. You are right - we might see it yet!
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):

You never know - FR seem to like having the same UK bases as EZY. Only Easyjet UK bases that are not FR bases are NCL and LGW. Co-incidence?

IMO, both NCL and MME are very realistic options. Ryanair operates on quite a different market than easyJet from many bases. Look at their BRS network; those are all destinations not served by easyJet. Currently the only destinations in Poland from NCL is KRK; Riga and Budapest are not served from the airport by any carrier. I would not be surprised at all, to see FR basing 2 aircraft there and operate a similar network as they do from BRS.

It's no co-incidence at all that FR picks the same bases. Not only to complement the route structure, but also because easyJet did not pick the airports without a reason: they are located where people live, and where demand is available, and airport capacity usually is available.

Second, the airports have experience with low-cost flights; they have gathered experience in the past years to generate non-aeronautical revenue and they recognize the value of passengers through the airport, and they do often have a fee discount system based on volumes in place; when FR starts negotiating with NCL, they will probably get the same deal als EZY and Jet2, so negotiations can be done quick.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
MRS: did not have any FR flight at the time of base announcement (PIK and STN announced earlier, though)

it was PIK and DUB not STN

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
BRS: only had DUB and GRO operating

There are also SNN flights.
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 10):

Of course, you're right. Thanks for correcting.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
You never know - FR seem to like having the same UK bases as EZY. Only Easyjet UK bases that are not FR bases are NCL and LGW.

Plus EDI, GLA and BFS.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:36 am

FR is operating from three bases to MLA at the moment and from GRO, BRE and STO from next September so they are expanding rapidly here after less than one year since they started ops to MLA. There is a lot of talk about a new base here. Just thought I'd get some feedback from you guys.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Damian (Reply 12):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
You never know - FR seem to like having the same UK bases as EZY. Only Easyjet UK bases that are not FR bases are NCL and LGW.

Plus EDI, GLA and BFS.

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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 13):
There is a lot of talk about a new base here. Just thought I'd get some feedback from you guys.

A MLA base would not surprise me too much. How is airport capacity? In order to base aircraft, they need gates they can use during the night and between 0600-0730 for the first departure. Does MLA provide this capacity?
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:37 am

FR asked to take over the old terminal building. But that will not be possible as it is now an airmalta cargo centre and the new base of flight operations. But they Malta International Airport will be more than happy to acccomodate FR.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:59 pm

I think that MLA has the spare capacity needed to accommodate a FR base, even on Tuesdays, which is MLA's busiest day.

I had acquaintances who went to work for BritishJET.com and their conditions were apparently very appalling, so much so, that they all left the company after a number of months.

I believe that Air Malta's pilots are very greedy. They have just been offered a salary comparable to what some majors like Emirates offer, but they turned it down. Ok, EK dishes out several additional perks with the package, but you would expect that, otherwise not so many would move to Dubai or stay in Dubai for long. I do not think that KM pilots' expectations are realistic, especially when taking into account the problems KM has been facing over the last few years. Is their productivity so much higher than those at EK?

I have no idea about the present financial situation at KM, but I'm very happy with their relatively aggressive expansion over the last year or so. I haven't flown KM in ages - since April 2006 I think.

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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:35 pm

As stated in many threads previously no Ryanair base is going to happen on the island for some time, there are several reason for this and is causing the Maltese government to tread a very thin. Which takes some explaining!

The Problems
Malta International Airport is one of the most expensive airports in Europe for airlines to fly to and LCC are reluctant to operate to an airport with high charges.

Air Malta is a struggling state owned airline, with a legacy of high costs and continued troubles of competing in such a competitive market.

The islands main source of income was package holidays bring tourists to Malta with their weekly charters, but as LCC have eaten into the package holiday market and more traveller travel independently. Malta has been a victim to this market and with the lack of cheap flights until recently, people travelling Low Cost have chose to go else where.

The Maltese government decided to react to the ailing tourist numbers, by offering reduced airport charges to Low Cost Carriers on routes where Malta has traditional tourism link with (eg. The UK, Ireland and Italy). BUT they would only offer these reduced fees on certain routes, which would not put them in direct competition with Air Malta. This is why Ryanair came about launching LTN-MLA, because Air Malta operate to LHR, LGW and STN in the London area. (LCC are welcome to compete directly with Air Malta, on exactly the same routes, but would have to pay the full charges and receive no discounts!)

So the government is in a very difficult situation to boost tourism figures to the island and boost the economy. Without damaging the struggling national airlines interests and putting them out of business, which is one of the largest employers on the island. Keeping landing fees high maintains some sort of balance... Not sure how this goes down with the EU's "open market" policy!

Ryanair are not going to be interested in basing aircraft at MLA with very high airport costs, and only receive discounts on routes that suit the local goverment. The routes they operate at present to MLA conveniently fit in with markets Malta are trying to attract, but Ryanair has had to work hard to get these routes up and running.

Also Malta has a fairly limited market, which is great for tourism. But with a population on only about 300,000 the outward bound market is fairly limited. Bases like Gerona (Barcelona), have a catchment area of several million and attract business and tourism traffic.

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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:19 am

I might have said Newquay to get some tomatoes thrown at me, but due to the cutback of flights, no hope in hell.
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 18):

Malta International Airport are very keen to have an FR base in MLA. they are prepared to slash their prices and so is the governmnet. They don't care about Airmalta. As long as FR keeps bringing plane fulls of people to Malta. And they are. AirMalta loads have dropped drastically sincee FR started operating here from DUB, PSA and LTN. From Sept FR will start operating from STO, BRE adn GIR. As long as they keep bringing in tourists nobody cares about AirMalta anymor. So I reallyh think that an FR base here is imminent.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting LMML 14/32 (Reply 20):
As long as they keep bringing in tourists nobody cares about AirMalta anymor. So I reallyh think that an FR base here is imminent.

I disagree with your comments...

The island only has limited traffic and the vast majority of that tourism and incoming traffic...

For Ryanair to have a base they need to have a mix of business and tourism on the flights and Malta's catchment area for outward bound flights is tiny compared to other capital cities around Europe. IF a base was placed in Malta you would probably see no more than 2 738's operating to the island!

Also you might think the government and island does not care about Air Malta, but as this is one of the Islands largest employers and a powerhouse for generating the islands income with tourism and flying to major business centres around Europe where other airlines would not be interested in flying the routes!
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:05 am

I hope for a MMX or GSE base! MMX is only 40-50 min with a car or bus from Copenhagen City! GSE is only 15 km from Gothenburg City closer than GOT! Happy to see flights from NYO-MLA will bring a lot of tourists from Sweden.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 18):
The Problems
Malta International Airport is one of the most expensive airports in Europe for airlines to fly to and LCC are reluctant to operate to an airport with high charges.

Malta Airpor's fees are comparable to similar airports in Europe. I would not say that they are cheap but certainly not even among the most expensive. Besides LCC's get special rates and even grants from the Maltese government. I beleive FR is getting Euro2.50M a year to operate to MLA while AirMalta has had to slash its fares and cannot get any subsidies, not even from it's own owner. So much for EU fairness.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:34 pm

BFS will almost certainly be the next base. FR has been in talks with BFS for a few months now. FR are trying to get in there before EI.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 pm

FR is also deaeperately tying to base at MLA to destoy Airmalta anf Britishjet. I sm dure they will succeed one way or another with the help of the Malese government itself. As I siid before all the government is only interested is in bringing more tourists no matter for how long. So I really think an FR base at MLA is imninent. Probably by the end of the year.
 
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RE: Ryanair's Next Base

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:30 pm

I seriously doubt that FR will open a base at MLA by year's end.

However, just for the sake of the discussion, let's say that they do and they base 2 738s. Great. Now, general elections are due to be held in May '08. A change in government is 'highly likely'. Let say a new Labour government, decides to jack up the airport fees again and stop all subsidies to FR in order to provide some protection to Air Malta; where would that leave FR? Seriously now, do you really think that FR will risk such an invesment only to have it scaled back 6 months later? I seriously doubt it.

Furthermore, the government has made it very clear that they want to see Air Malta surviving as KM provides some very important links that no other legacy or lowcost carrier would be interested in having. Do you really think that the government will let KM go bust and provide FR with such a boost in leverage? I seriously doubt it. The government is acting as if it doesn't care about Air Malta and its future only because a new collective agreement / set of reforms are being negotiated with Air Malta's staff and it wants to push through some measures which are very unpopular with KM staff.

Gilesdavies, I see things just as you said. Just for the record, the population of the islands has reached 405,000.  wink 

I personally think that if Malta International Airport really want an FR base at MLA, I am sure that they are able to find a way of securing this goal and reach an agreement with FR. Maybe right now is not the ideal time for such an agreement, especially for FR, given the looming general elections. Things on MLA may get very interesting indeed over the next twelve months.

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