Emirates2005
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:01 pm

Here comes a question, which am sure one or more of us has in their mind.

Some facts first:

July 8th - Roll out (Done)
End August - First flight (should be on the 27th)

Now the question: Would the upcoming Dubai Airshow see the Dreamliner???

All comments are welcome and much appreciated!!!

Last, but definitely not least a big congratulation to BOEING for a trully remarkable piece of equipment. Now that the wait is over, a new one has begun with the A350XWB.

P.S. 1 small rule if I may, please do not change this thread into an A is better/more efficient/aerodynamic/blah blah blah/etc. than B or vice-versa. Am sure there are other threads for that.

Thanks,

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787 At Dubai Airshow

Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:45 pm

Considering it's in November, they could probably fly one of the 6 test planes over for the week.
 
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:45 pm

Well, i personally think it is too early to bring the 787 into Dubai Air Show. It will be in a critical testing, Boeing may think it is not the right time to demonstrate it.
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:17 pm

Hey guys,

Agree with both. Where am coming from is actually 2 things:

1. In November, the 787 will be heavily involved in testing and therefore may not come to DXB however,

2. Since Boeing wants to secure the much disputed 100 wide-body order from EK, then they should show the plane.

Am not a fan of either Airbus nor Boeing, meaning I like them both and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way. If Boeing is keen on changing the mind of Clark and Co., they should consider sending the 787 to DXB. Even if they do it as part of flight testing.

Thanks to both for your comments.  Smile
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:12 am

Hard to say since the second airframe is already built as well. Which means that the others should follow shortly. So they may have enough planes that they can send one over to DXB.
 
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:16 am

WEell I think Boeing can try and combine some of the flight test requirements with the round trip to DXB in Nov.
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787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:46 pm

It may not only be the first time that the Dreamliner shows up at an Airshow, but also the first time that the two "New kids on the block" A380 and 787 will meet.

Let's wait and see, till then, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Hard to say since the second airframe is already built as well.

The second 787 is far from built.
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:03 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet?  Silly
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:18 pm

Not sure Boeing is really pushing to secure more Dreamliner orders from the Middle East region, I'm not saying that they don't want orders, just not pushing for them. In other threads mention is made of Boeing trying to "capture" a A350 launch customer, I'm skeptical of that also. Cost benefit analysis will probably be the main factor in the airshow appearance, as already mentioned, the test phase will be in full swing, and since the Dubai show is closer to the EU, not sure Boeing wants to fly a Dreamliner there, have an "issue" enroute and have all the Airbus supporters making fun of its new prize. The line for taking pot shots at the new kid on the block grows with every passing second that the A380 and A350 do not progess. Now if the test phase is progressing better than normal, they might take the chance to "show off" their new toy, time will tell, I would say monitor the testing, ahead of schedule, good chance, behind schedule, no chance.
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
WEell I think Boeing can try and combine some of the flight test requirements with the round trip to DXB in Nov.

I would think this would be the best way to work it, although it does imply some risk for Boeing should there be an "incident" on the way to or from the show.
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:23 pm

I think Boeing should show the B787 at the DXB Air Show. Giving the new airplane more exposure to potential customers never hurts anything.
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:27 pm

I certainly hope that Boeing can be bothered to show the Dreamliner at major air shows in late 2007 and 2008. I'd love to see it at ILA 2008 in Berlin at the end of May.
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 3):
and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way.

This is an interesting dichotomy !!!
DUBAI (=Government=Sheikh) owns 3.12% of EADS, but also most of EK !! And not always the interests of these companies coincide.

Possibly, an exclussive huge A350 order from EK would help the EADS stock, but until now, even the announcement flood of Le Bourget has failed to do so.

On the other side, the risk for EK by depending so heavily from the success of the A350 project, in turn subject to many risks, would be obviously high, coupled with the non-availibility of a meaningful No. of airraftat least until 2014 (EIS not meaning delivery!) .

Therefore, the logical response to this dichotomy seems to go the QR way, signing a certain percentage (can be different in both ways to QR's) with Airbus, subject to the needed safeguards, and the balance .with Boeing.

As for the visit to the show, I do not thing EK can wait to decide until November if they want tolerable B787 slots, but of course, we do not know what Tim Clark has informally reserved.

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[Edited 2007-07-10 14:32:38]
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):


Quoting Clickhappy,reply=7:
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet?  Silly

A number of parts for LN02 have been arriving last week via Dreamlifter, so part of it may be in the jigs, but it will be a bit before she's ready to roll on her own 10 tires.
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Himself (Reply 1):
Considering it's in November, they could probably fly one of the 6 test planes over for the week.

By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?
 
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RE: 787 At Dubai Airshow

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?

Even then, Boeing could use the trip as part of the testing regime, for ETOPS for one. The probability is the Dreamliner will be there.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet? Silly

Well, there was something going on behind the closed doors of the the hanger they held the coming out party for the 787 in. Mike Blair pointed to the back of the hanger and said "the second one is being built back there." And when they did their world tour of the various fabrication sites, they all had what looked like a number of completed sections in public view.

Of course it could all be a giant conspiracy, with Boeing using Hollywood props to make it look like they are actually building additional airframes. I am sure there are those who subscribe to the idea.  yes 
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