rocANDtpa
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DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:42 am

According to DL desktop schedule the schedule changes in Sept.

LAX

JAX from 6 weekly to 5 weekly

RDU from 6 weekly to 5 weekly

CMH from daily to 4 weekly

TPA from 14 weekly to 12 weekly

MCO stays the same

BDL from 6 weekly to 4 weekly

SEA goes from 2 daily to 1 daily (loss of 738)

CVG stays the same (one 757 goes to 738)


ATL

BUF from 2 MD88 to 3 MD88

ROC from 1 MD88 to 2 MD88

GSO from 3 MD88 to 2 MD88

SYR loss of mainline (will probably be back)

PVD loss of mainline

JFK

All props go to jets. In addition region providers are mixed up. For example stations that used to be all Freedom may now be all Comair or a mix. Stations that use to be all Comair are now a mix.

CVG

Freedom Air makes its debut here.


It is time consuming to go though everything so I am done.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:47 am

WOW... PVD losing DL mainline totally? We've lost AA mainline as well.
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:04 am

well PVD only had 1 mainline to loose!

However, im wondering if it is final because DL operates a cargo office at PVD which cannot utilize CRJs

Id be ok loosing mainline but not for CRJs... the runway is short so the CRJs are always weight restricted and it doesnt make much sense when a they can fill a CR7 with no restrictions instead

on a slightly positive note, PVD-ATL goes to 5x

Hopefully we will see some tweaks to the sched over the next 2 weeks,
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:07 am

It looks like PVD-ATL will be 5x CRJ. Quite the change from when they had 2-3 daily 757's on the route.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
well PVD only had 1 mainline to loose!

Plus DL will retain and may even add capicity with the new schedule but all with CRJs
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Reply 4):

Plus DL will retain and may even add capicity with the new schedule but all with CRJs

Yea i know we wont be getting the 4x 757 1x MD88 we had back in 2003 but CRJ is not the proper aircraft from a profitability and performance standpoint, let alone passenger comfort.

Each of those 5 flights should be at least a CRJ-700, does anyone know if they can still handle cargo there if all flights are RJ or would their cargo office have to close?
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Thread starter):
CVG

Freedom Air makes its debut here

Are these the props? It again hurts to see CVG cut again. Might as well just make it a focus city.
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 6):
Are these the props? It again hurts to see CVG cut again. Might as well just make it a focus city.

The props are gone. These are ERJ aircraft. CVG will remain a hub for DL and I would't get worried unless DL starts cutting secondary markets such as ROC and BUF which just recently happened with US and PIT. However I am not sure if CVG losing its hub status is necessily a bad thing. US dehubbed PIT and Southwest and Jetblue entered and fares continue to drop in PIT.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Thread starter):
CVG

Freedom Air makes its debut here.

Freedom has already been flying out of CVG for the past couple of months.
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:26 am

I wonder if COS will go back to the daily 757. They got a RJ in the morning and a 737 in the afternoon. As much as I love DL I gotta thinkg twice before I get on an RJ for +3 hours
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:57 am

GSO goes down to 2x mainline; the rest is on Crappy Regional Jets; mostly the CRJ-200. Really wish they would send us some CRJ-900s or EMB-170s; I can't stand the -200s.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Reply 7):
However I am not sure if CVG losing its hub status is necessily a bad thing. US dehubbed PIT and Southwest and Jetblue entered and fares continue to drop in PIT.

That is exactly why CVG will not lose its hub status. It is a fortress for DL that is highly profitable. If they cut the hub, prices will come down, ultimately hurting DL's bottom line. CVG is a cash cow fo DL.
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:06 am

BTV's CRJ-200s to ATL go to CR7s, go from all Comair to 2x Freedom ERJ, 2x Comair CRJ.

I'm very pleased to see the Freedom Dashes finally gone  Smile. Anyone know if they will get a new home? They were pretty beat up..
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:15 am

So is DL planning to use those extra mainlines to some cities that would be expand the DL routes to some where else?
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:20 am

JFK.... remember the announcement about new service to Central America from JFK?
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 13):
So is DL planning to use those extra mainlines to some cities that would be expand the DL routes to some where else?

September and October are some of the slowest travel months - I would just assume that there isn't demand. Summer schedules aren't sustainable year-round.

But, I bet DL will be using the downtime to complete interior refurbishments to these planes.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):

But, I bet DL will be using the downtime to complete interior refurbishments to these planes.

First 767s and 737s go in for interior refurbishments (including TV installation!) this fall after the summer season.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:45 am

Delta loaded this schedule in last Saturday (jun 30) they usually adjust it for a few weeks before its final, Also they didnt update it for Oct, so September may be a maintenance "catch-up" month or a fall transition too with Oct having a different schedule.
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
GSO goes down to 2x mainline; the rest is on Crappy Regional Jets; mostly the CRJ-200. Really wish they would send us some CRJ-900s or EMB-170s; I can't stand the -200s.

I'm betting that by Feb. 08 we lose all continuous mainline service. I knew that when Rick the previous GM died DL GSO was going to be in trouble. My first airline job was with DGS and we worked with Rick a lot, I remember when he brought BBQ in for July 4th and a turkey on Thanksgiving day, things you do not see out of most GM's these days. Being from GSO he was always fighting for more destinations and service, and was very successful in getting BOS, LGA, JFK, FLL, TPA, MCO and was close to obtaining SLC before 9/11. Now you have someone that DL brought in from elsewhere who doesn't have that connection to the Triad area and it's showing by the loss of destinations and flights. I hope DL's view of our area changes for the positive as far as additions and keeping mainline but I have serious doubts.

Sorry for the extended rant!

P.S., PVD was the first destination that I used my NRSA benefits to, flying mainline all the way GSO-CVG-PVD on the 732 and MD-88. Sad to PVD lose all mainline, I guess DL will now pull mainline employees out now
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting Fdex727 (Reply 18):
I guess DL will now pull mainline employees out now

I doubt that, ive heard the station is safe... ALB has had no mainline for a long time now and is still technically a mainline station, so i imagine PVD will remain. I dont think the 5x ATL CRJ schedule is the final for the fall. The CRJ200 is massively weght restricted from PVD...everyone else gets CR7s at least so id think theyd get something simmilar, esp with the shorter runway.... probably a lack for foresight
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
I doubt that, ive heard the station is safe... ALB has had no mainline for a long time now and is still technically a mainline station, so i imagine PVD will remain. I dont think the 5x ATL CRJ schedule is the final for the fall. The CRJ200 is massively weght restricted from PVD...everyone else gets CR7s at least so id think theyd get something simmilar, esp with the shorter runway.... probably a lack for foresight

I hope so, they are some good folks, always a pleasure to deal with when we had irops to ORD at UA. I miss working in PVD, had it not been for Ch. 11, I would still be up there now, my parents had a nice townhome on Jamestown.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:14 pm

From MSP:
ATL goes from 4x daily MD-88 to 3x daily MD-88 (was 2x daily MD-88 last fall) [8 flights total - no change from summer]
SLC regains mainline service with 1x daily MD-90 [4 flights total - no change from summer]
CVG stays exactly the same as now (3x daily CRJ-700, 1x daily CRJ-200) [4 flights total - no change from summer]

Some notable Florida things:

ATL-MCO will be 14x daily, 13x daily with mainline (7 763s and 1 764)
ATL-TPA will be 11x daily (3 763s)
ATL-JAX will be 10x daily (1 763)
ATL-FLL will be 11x daily (3 763s)
ATL-TLH goes to 3x daily MD-88s (up from the current 1 daily, goes to 7 daily flights, however, from the current 9)

So the widebody flights to Florida are well intact. There should be even more for the busy winter season, as RSW, PBI, and MIA will all likely regain a widebody flight or two.

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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:22 pm

A lot of this is seasonal capacity pulldown. September has been the second weakest month of the year for Delta (worst is January) and they got a little 'burnt' last September when they didn't pull down enough capacity. Domestic US travel sags after the kids go back to school; though Europe remains strong (and continues to grow) in September, domestic is still the bigger portion of DL's overall network capacity so they need to adjust accordingly.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
GSO goes down to 2x mainline; the rest is on Crappy Regional Jets; mostly the CRJ-200. Really wish they would send us some CRJ-900s or EMB-170s; I can't stand the -200s.

Seemingly ridiculous to me. Not too awful long ago there were 9 or 10 mainline to ATL, not to mention all the other cities/flights DL has quit from GSO. MCO is down to one now i think? And all this in a growing region. Wondering when the next Eastwind will take advantage of this airport Wink.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:39 pm

geg changes md-90's for 737-800's and one crj goes to crj-700
no change for rap from last year and no upgrade for ykm  Sad
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:13 am

It also looks like Delta is ending its regional operations out of LGA.
PWM used to get 3 CRJs a day with Comair to LGA (even more before the start of JFK service) this summer, this drops down to two and ends altogether on September 5th.
Are all of the Comair stations out of LGA getting axed in favor of JFK, or is this unique to PWM?
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:15 am

BOS

July 16 and September 17 used for comparison

ATL: 1 738, 4 752, 6 MD88(same)
CVG: 3 738, 2 CRJ, 1 E170(same)
SLC: 2 752(same)
LAX: 2 738(same)
MCO: 3 MD88(same)
FLL: 1 752, 1 MD88 to 2 MD88
PBI: 2 MD88(same)
RSW: 1 MD88(same)
TPA: 2 MD88(same)
LAS: 1 738(same)
BDA: 1 738(same)
JFK: 6 CRJ, 1 E170, 1 738 to 4 CRJ, 1 E145, 1 E170, 1 MD88
LGA: 16 MD88(same)
CMH: 1 CRJ, 2 E145(same)
RDU: 3 CRJ, 1 E145 to 2 CRJ, 2 E145
BWI: 8 CRJ(same) ... interesting, I had always thought this was a 3-4 daily at most
CHS: 1 CRJ(same)
DAY: 1 E145(same)
GSO: 2 CRJ to 1 E145, 1 CRJ
SDF: ....... to 1 CRJ ... although I would never go there, this is a nice surprise
JAX: 2 CRJ(same)
BNA: 1 CRJ(same)
ORF: 2 CRJ(same)
SAV: 1 CRJ(same)
TTN: 3 CRJ(same)
DCA: 7 CRJ(same)
ALB: 2 B1900 to 3 B1900
ABE: 2 B1900(same)
BGR: 4 B1900(same)
BTV: ...... to 2 B1900
ISP: ..... to 2 B1900
ART: 3 B1900(same)
YFC: 2 B1900(same)
YQB: 2 B1900(same)
YHZ: 3 CRJ to 2 CRJ
YYG: 1 CRJ to .....

Although this was a moderately interesting exercise, this is the first and only time I will entertain myself with such a pointless endeavor of comparison.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:52 am

For TLH: In addition to the increase from 1x M88 to 3x ...

TLH-FLL goes from 2x weekday to 3x weekday.
TLH-MCO, TPA, and MIA all remain 3x weekday.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Thread starter):
ROC from 1 MD88 to 2 MD88

This is to make up for the Summer 'cut' . Wish they'de bring 738's here....At least FL will bring back 737NG's for the 1st time in like 10 years when they begin n/s service to LAS in August....
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
GSO goes down to 2x mainline; the rest is on Crappy Regional Jets; mostly the CRJ-200. Really wish they would send us some CRJ-900s or EMB-170s; I can't stand the -200s.

Let me guess, a medallion? Big grin
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:06 am

What days are we looking at.. when I checked early September, it was only slightly different.. when i check late September, it was the same..
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting RocANDtpa (Thread starter):

CVG

Freedom Air makes its debut here.



Quoting ComairGuyCVG (Reply 8):

Freedom has already been flying out of CVG for the past couple of months.

Yep. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRL35

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 25):
It also looks like Delta is ending its regional operations out of LGA.

Other than PWM, who else is getting canned?

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
The CRJ200 is massively weght restricted from PVD...

Even in the cooler fall/winter months?
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:19 am

At JFK, all Dash 8s are gone, as mentioned previously; former Dash markets like PHL, BDL, PVD, ALB, MHT, PWM, BTV, etc., are all getting ERJs and/or CRJs.

Other notable items about domestic at JFK:

- PHX keeps 2x daily
- The PDX-JFK becomes a day flight later in the month so that it can connect to the European bank
- SLC goes to 4x daily except for Tues/Wed from 3x
- LAS goes to 4x daily from 3x
- LAX keeps its 6x daily; normally this goes down after Labor Day
- IND goes to 1x daily from 2x
- PBI goes to 1x daily from 2x

Not much change on the international front except that JFK-SNN goes 757.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 26):
BWI: 8 CRJ(same) ... interesting, I had always thought this was a 3-4 daily at most

That initially surprised me as well. I've flown the route about a dozen times and have always seen >80% loads.

Separately, It looks like PHL-SLC also loses a frequency, while PHL-ATL sees the swapping of 1 MD-88 for a 757.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 32):
Not much change on the international front except that JFK-SNN goes 757.

According to SkyTeam, JFK has a large drop in service.

Routes Cut in Half

   JFK-LGW drops from 2x daily to 1x daily   

JFK-FCO drops from 2x daily to 1x daily

Service Reductions

JFK-VCE drops to 5x weekly

JFK-MXP drops to 5x weekly

JFK-ATH drops to 5x weekly

JFK-IST drops to 4x weekly

JFK-TXL drops to 5x weekly

JFK-NCE drops to 4x weekly

JFK-SVO drops to 5x weekly

JFK-BUD drops to 4x weekly

JFK-MAN drops to 4x weekly

JFK-SNN drops to 5x weekly

JFK-DUB drops to 6x weekly

JFK-MAD drops to 6x weekly

JFK-BCN drops to 6x weekly



-JD

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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 34):
According to SkyTeam, JFK has a large drop in service:


Are you looking at the right month? 2x daily JFK-LGW is still there for September, all the way until Oct 26. NCE is daily for the whole month of September; the 2x daily JFK-FCO remains for September.....all bookable on delta.com, etc.

Transatlantic travel is actually quite strong in September as more and more Americans avoid the 'hot' months of August for travel to Europe; September weather is nicer and multiple things are cheaper past the peak summer season..DL usually keeps up a heavy transatlantic schedule through September.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 35):
Are you looking at the right month? 2x daily JFK-LGW is still there for September, all the way until Oct 26. NCE is daily for the whole month of September; the 2x daily JFK-FCO remains for September.....all bookable on delta.com, etc.

November 6 has no service JFK-LGW as well!

I pulled routes from 1 November, the changes may start sooner!

-JD
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:13 am

Delta is simply doing what other airlines emerging from bankruptcy have done, namely putting any and all mainline aircraft Boeing 757 and larger on international routes where the yield is greater. Extrapolating a few years into the future, it does not look good for the U.S. passenger who is being forced into smaller and smaller aircraft being flown by low cost affiliates. It makes sound economic business sense for the airlines but will make for more torture on the passenger who has to endure cramped seats and cabins, along with the occasional multi-hour "prison sentence" on a delayed regional jet on a ramp.

In a related development, Florida to the west coast has already experienced a Delta downsizing, from the Boeing 757 to the 738.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 35):
Transatlantic travel is actually quite strong in September as more and more Americans avoid the 'hot' months of August for travel to Europe; September weather is nicer and multiple things are cheaper past the peak summer season..DL usually keeps up a heavy transatlantic schedule through September

What I am question is the massive pulldown in service from November onwards, where will all of those aircraft go to?

-JD
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 36):
November 6 has no service JFK-LGW as well!

I pulled routes from 1 November, the changes may start sooner!

We're discussing September here...most of the transatlantic schedule is intact; the second JFK-LGW flight goes all the way until Oct 26, start of the winter schedules where it would be suicidal for DL to maintain twice daily 763 service to LGW and FCO. The 2nd FCO has always been seasonal anyway and runs until early October (already quite nicely booked through the end of September and early October).
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 38):
What I am question is the massive pulldown in service from November onwards, where will all of those aircraft go to?

The 'massive' pulldown occurs every winter...this is no surprise at all. All those frequency cuts you mentioned are the same every winter...in fact, in the deep winter, NCE, IST, and some others even go down to 3x weekly. MAN will likely be replaced with the 752 this winter, as will some other destinations. The winter schedule is nowhere near finalized yet.

The 764ERs will be pulled off of most ATL-Europe routes and put onto ATL-deep South America flights and onto ATL-DKR-JNB. Unrefurbished 763ERs will be taken out of service to get cabin interiors upgraded, etc.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 29):
Let me guess, a medallion?

You got it right. It's been getting harder and harder to upgrade as a Silver out of GSO; going to 2x M80 daily will only make it tougher, as the elites all go to these flights.

Really hoping that when the 737-700 comes online, they do an ATL-GSO turn as bookends to a trip to the Caribbean. Routing like GSO-ATL-Caribbean-ATL-GSO would be fine by me. Would get some extra flying out of the plane (increase utilization hours) and I think GSO could fill it with reasonable yielding-traffic. Plus, flight time is short enough that it can easily do a bookend trip.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 39):
We're discussing September here...most of the transatlantic schedule is intact; the second JFK-LGW flight goes all the way until Oct 26, start of the winter schedules where it would be suicidal for DL to maintain twice daily 763 service to LGW and FCO. The 2nd FCO has always been seasonal anyway and runs until early October (already quite nicely booked through the end of September and early October).

The reason I pulled November was that I was told in a recent telephone conversation that JFK is doing well only during certain times of the year, and the Delta Air Lines is having problems with the London service, as it is an uphill battle on an extremely competitive route. Delta Air Lines is currently running the oldest equipment on the route compared to the likes of AA, BA, and VS with much more comprehensive and competitive products. There of course if Eos and Maxjet, however they are a whole different market niche that Delta Air Lines is not catering to.

How viable is Delta currently on the JFK-LGW service? How are the loads? Are they gaining premium traction, or is the Business Elite cabin filled with upgrades? I think that in the long term when Delta opens JFK-LHR in 2008, they will have to offer the new Business Elite Suite that will be introduced on the 777-200LR. If not flying to an airport like Heathrow with an outdated premium cabin is not a recipe for success. There are too many other airlines serving the route with Y and J products on a much higher level than Delta Air Lines.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 40):
The 'massive' pulldown occurs every winter...this is no surprise at all. All those frequency cuts you mentioned are the same every winter...in fact, in the deep winter, NCE, IST, and some others even go down to 3x weekly. MAN will likely be replaced with the 752 this winter, as will some other destinations. The winter schedule is nowhere near finalized yet

You have to admit dropping JFK-LGW from 2x to 1x daily is not a sign of anything good..

Quoting Panamair (Reply 40):
The 764ERs will be pulled off of most ATL-Europe routes and put onto ATL-deep South America flights and onto ATL-DKR-JNB. Un-refurbished 763ERs will be taken out of service to get cabin interiors upgraded, etc

Thanks for the update on the mods to the un-refurbished 767-300ER ships..

-JD
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:56 am

Yields out of GSO can't be the problem, I have quit booking DL out of GSO and moved to RDU, the last 4-5 times I've looked at flight between 3 weeks to a month and a half out the prices have been anywhere from $600 RT to $1400 RT on a GSO-ATL-GSO routing. If they're not making any money in GSO then something is wrong. I know the monthly landing and lease fees at GSO are among the highest in NC among the 3 major airports, at least they were around a year ago.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 42):
The reason I pulled November was that I was told in a recent telephone conversation that JFK is doing well only during certain times of the year,

No doubt about it...when the focus is on European travel, winter (January particularly) is not a very profitable time at JFK. That's why DL has been adding routes like ACC, BOM, MBJ, PUJ, the upcoming Central American routes (GUA, PTY, SJO, LIR) to further diversify the JFK 'portfolio' if you will. ACC and BOM do wonders to DL's JFK loads during the off-season; in fact, both ACC and BOM have also been doing quite well loads-wise even during 'their off -season' as well (i.e., the Northern Hemisphere summer). I am sure you will see continued attempts to diversify the JFK operation and mitigate this seasonal imbalance.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 42):
How viable is Delta currently on the JFK-LGW service? How are the loads? Are they gaining premium traction, or is the Business Elite cabin filled with upgrades?

I am quite sure that DL is losing money on JFK-LGW (though maybe not during the peak, peak summer months). Of course it didn't help that they started the route in winter either. Loads on the single DL001/002 in Spring were quite good but then got diluted once the second flight joined the schedule in April. For April and May, except for pockets of holiday periods like Easter, etc., loads were not good; however, with the onset of the heavy summer travel period, loads on both flights in the latter part of June and now into July have been quite respectable in the 80-100% range.
DL's UK flights (LGW and MAN) to JFK are also very heavily marketed to UK-originating pax. for weekend trips to NYC (with the low dollar) but those yields are not great. That's why they're desparate to get into LHR because of business travellers and corporate contracts' perception that London is all about LHR.
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:46 am

I notice that CVG-AMS is suspended 8/26. Is this permanent or is this just for the Fall/Winter?

Jeremy
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 34):
According to SkyTeam, JFK has a large drop in service.

Routes Cut in Half

JFK-LGW drops from 2x daily to 1x daily

JFK-FCO drops from 2x daily to 1x daily

Service Reductions

JFK-VCE drops to 5x weekly

JFK-MXP drops to 5x weekly

JFK-ATH drops to 5x weekly

JFK-IST drops to 4x weekly

JFK-TXL drops to 5x weekly

JFK-NCE drops to 4x weekly

JFK-SVO drops to 5x weekly

JFK-BUD drops to 4x weekly

JFK-MAN drops to 4x weekly

JFK-SNN drops to 5x weekly

JFK-DUB drops to 6x weekly

JFK-MAD drops to 6x weekly

JFK-BCN drops to 6x weekly

Big deal, when winter rolls around, demand to Europe drops. Not surprising in the least bit.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 45):
I notice that CVG-AMS is suspended 8/26. Is this permanent or is this just for the Fall/Winter?

Jeremy

CVG to AMS and FCO has always been seasonal, so I would assume it will be back next March, April, May, or June. CVG to FRA, CDG, and LGW will remain and always has been year-round.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 46):
Big deal, when winter rolls around, demand to Europe drops. Not surprising in the least

Continental Airlines doesnt reduce that much.. They both serve the same New York Metro market..

-JD
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 46):

CVG to AMS and FCO has always been seasonal, so I would assume it will be back next March, April, May, or June. CVG to FRA, CDG, and LGW will remain and always has been year-round.

But I notice that CVG-FCO continues to operate daily with a 764. Why is AMS ending early?

Jeremy
 
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RE: DL Schedule Changes In Sept.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:31 am

From PDX:

PDX-SLC: Still 6x/daily, but more capacity. Afternoon departures move up about 30 minutes, latest departure now 5:15pm. From 1x752, 1x738, 1xMD90, 1xCR9, 1xCR7, 1xCRJ to 2x757, 1x738, 1xMD90, 1xCR9, 1xCRJ

PDX-ATL: Loss of 730a departure. 615a departure (and all other flights) now operate on 757.

PDX-CVG: Red-eye departure replaced with early-morning departure. Flights now at 7a and 11:39a, both still on 738.

PDX-LAX: No changes, slight retimings

PDX-JFK: As discussed earlier, retimed to be a daytime flight, departing 7am. Still on 738.

With the loss of red-eye departures to JFK and CVG, flying to the east coast for morning arrival will require either taking the single ATL red-eye or leaving quite early in the day.

Also, notable in the region:

Midmorning departures cut at EUG, RDM, and MFR. All go to 2x per day. At RDM, they moved the afternoon departure up an hour to 12:01p.

No changes except slight retiming at SLE, YKM, LWS. The 931a departure PSC-SLC moves up to the noon hour, but PSC stays at 5x to SLC.