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US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:59 am

US locally announced today that they're not only bringing back the 319 to LAS, but also that all other flights are being upgraded to CRJ 900s. That means, five -900's to PHX, and another -900 for the red-eye to LAS in addition to the 319 each afternoon. The 319, flight #51, will continue on to JFK. Would appear that US looks to strengthen their status at FAT, where they currently hold the #2 position in market share.

UA, on the other hand, is starting a 4th CRJ to DEN in October.

Interesting is that as the summer madness ends, capacity is on the rise at FAT. Certainly could have used that additional capacity now.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:12 am

any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:15 am

Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Thread starter):
for the red-eye to LAS

how can there be a redeye to LAS, on such a short flight?
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Targowski (Reply 1):
any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.

mmmm..enjoy that flight
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 3):
how can there be a redeye to LAS, on such a short flight?

The same reason their is a red-eye from LAS to MRY (it leaves LAS at 11:59 and arrives at MRY at 1:30AM). Many other California destinations served by US also have red eyes from LAS: MRY, SBA, BFL, FAT, SMF, SFO, SJC, SAN, PSP, OAK ect... Every destination in California except SNA, MCE, LGB, and BUR.

Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.

Glad to hear this. Sounds like maybe the XE route could possibly support a third r/t, along with some existing-flight tweaking, e.g., a late afternoon/early evening SAN-FAT trip and an evening s/b return (plus moving the morning FAT-SAN flight earlier?) I still think the fall may see some schedule adjustments/additions/redux from XE.

Good news (from US) for Fresno!

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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:05 am

Good news, although it would have been better in June and July when traffic peaks (DL missed out by not starting ATL this year). I think there were some fears of the housing slowdown impacting the local economy but I think that is proving wrong.

I had seen that US was upgrading FAT-PHX to mainly CR9s with 1 or 2 CRJs but going to all CR9s is very good.

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.

Unless US plans to lower fares for a FAT-SAN connection I don't think it has anything to do with XJet.

I'm on XJet FAT-SAN nonstop next week and got the ticket on a 3 week advance for $118 RT. US for a 3 week adv using connections wants $275.

It probably has more to do with recognition that FAT is still booming. Passenger growth at FAT has been over 7% per year for the last 4 or 5 years. That is much larger than the national average.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:09 am

Quoting Targowski (Reply 1):
any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.

In looking at a 1979 OAG, UA used to fly a 727 nonstop to ORD. A lot of places to fly on mainline equipment back then. I think UA and/or AA could be successful flying FAT-ORD, or maybe WN to MDW... yeah right.

I hear a lot about US and UA adding service, it seems like it has been awhile since AA has added flights at FAT. I wonder if we can expect anything from them in the near future?
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
DL missed out by not starting ATL this year

Speaking of, was there ever an official reason as to why they canceled this and the other cities announced at this same time?
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:30 am

I remember Western having LAX-FAT-RNO-SLC service on both 737-200's and 737-300's when first introduced...Now ThAT mustve been a fun way to get to SLC...
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 2):
Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.

Where did you see that???
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:02 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 11):
Where did you see that???

First post said that flight #51 will continue on to JFK
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 9):
Speaking of, was there ever an official reason as to why they canceled this and the other cities announced at this same time?

From a Fresno newspaper article dated April 21 2007,
"We looked at the summer schedule and had a stronger need for the aircraft in an international capacity," said Anthony Black, a spokesman for the airline.

Hopefully DL won't make the mistake of avoiding Fresno next year.  Wink

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I remember Western having LAX-FAT-RNO-SLC service on both 737-200's and 737-300's when first introduced...Now ThAT mustve been a fun way to get to SLC...

Post merger I used to do it on DL out of FAT. There usually was 20 or 30 minutes on the ground in Reno so I'd get off, stretch my legs, and get a slot machine fix in the terminal.  Wink
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 2):
Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.

Wow, I thought that the only FAT Kennedy was in Massachusetts! LMAO! Do any of the US FAT flights codeshare with UA?

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
The same reason their is a red-eye from LAS to MRY (it leaves LAS at 11:59 and arrives at MRY at 1:30AM).

Yeah, that's weird especially given MRY's proximity to "downtown" Monterey. It's a pretty sleepy town to have a RJ swooping in at that time of the night (morning). Do they even come close to filling those a/c?


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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 13):
Post merger I used to do it on DL out of FAT. There usually was 20 or 30 minutes on the ground in Reno so I'd get off, stretch my legs, and get a slot machine fix in the terminal.

LOL, very nice. Did DL keep the -300's on the route or did they put the 732's back on?
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
LOL, very nice. Did DL keep the -300's on the route or did they put the 732's back on?

Honestly off the top of my head I don't remember. That's 10 years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Cageyjames (Reply 12):
First post said that flight #51 will continue on to JFK

So its FAT-LAS-JFK. correct?
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 17):
So its FAT-LAS-JFK. correct?

Yep.
I highly doubt we'll see a FAT-JFK n/s in teh next few years, but nothing really would surprise me.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):

It probably has more to do with recognition that FAT is still booming. Passenger growth at FAT has been over 7% per year for the last 4 or 5 years. That is much larger than the national average.

This probably sounds like a better assumption, however, I wouldn't be surprised if US does start lowering fares on this route to compete with XE. If passenger growth is going up by 7% a year like you say, than I wouldn't be surprised to see UA add ORD to the flight list and maybe even IAD if they think money can really be made.

I also noticed that CO does not operate out of FAT. Can they make that with a ERJ-145 (they make it to BFL with them) or would they have to use a 737?

Quoting 777fan (Reply 14):

Yeah, that's weird especially given MRY's proximity to "downtown" Monterey. It's a pretty sleepy town to have a RJ swooping in at that time of the night (morning). Do they even come close to filling those a/c?

I don't think they would wake many people. The most common landing approach used by the commercial traffic does not take them over the town of Monterey itself. In fact it is very rare for any plane to make a landing using runway 10R (the approach that takes you over the town)

As for the loads on that flight, well, I'll set my alarm clock tomorrow and get back to you.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:34 am

The Fresno Bee has posted a 4 paragraph teaser about Thursday's article on this. We'll see what the full article says in the morning.

US Airways flies bigger jets into Fresno

US Airways is adding more than 400 seats and larger jets on its flights from Fresno to Las Vegas and Phoenix to accommodate increased demand.

http://www.fresnobee.com/406/story/83359.html
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 19):
In fact it is very rare for any plane to make a landing using runway 10R (the approach that takes you over the town)

I've done it many times. The approach typically involves flying just offshore along Pacific Grove and Cannery Row, and crossing the Naval Postgraduate School before landing. There are also times where they'll do mixed operations, with landings on 10R and departures on 28L.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 19):
I also noticed that CO does not operate out of FAT. Can they make that with a ERJ-145 (they make it to BFL with them) or would they have to use a 737?

Actually, CO was ready to come into FAT, then when F9 decided to tease us, they backed off. Not sure if I'd want to sit in an ERJ for three hours to IAH. Certainly don't want to sit in a CRJ to ORD for three hours, so if United ever wakes up and responds to the demand, I'd hope for an E-170. Given Skywest's position at FAT, doubt that will ever happen.

Back to US, knowing that they were perfectly happy with pretty limited gate and operational space for years, that they've moving into larger quarters at FAT, and decided to actually use a jetway, suggests something must be working here.

FATflyer might know the answer to this, but last year when US started the 319, didn't G4's loads take a sharp drop. FAT-LAS is a pretty competitive market. UAX does well. US is doing well. G4 seems to take some hefty seasonal drops. G4 may have been born at FAT, but they have more competition in this market than in about any other LAS market they serve. I wonder how they'll react?
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):

I've done it many times. The approach typically involves flying just offshore along Pacific Grove and Cannery Row, and crossing the Naval Postgraduate School before landing. There are also times where they'll do mixed operations, with landings on 10R and departures on 28L.

That's interesting, I haven't seen it happen that often, but apparently it is more frequent. I'll have to check more closely next time I go by their.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
Certainly don't want to sit in a CRJ to ORD for three hours, so if United ever wakes up and responds to the demand, I'd hope for an E-170. Given Skywest's position at FAT, doubt that will ever happen

I checked once and IIRC, FAT was one of the 2 or 3 largest domestic markets to ORD without nonstop service (based on passenger counts).

Instead of UA I would not be surprised to see AA do it.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
FATflyer might know the answer to this, but last year when US started the 319, didn't G4's loads take a sharp drop.

August 2006 Allegiant's loads went up from July 2006, about 4 LF points.

They then fell in Sept 2006 about 5 points but Allegiant seems to see a drop at FAT every September, must be the back to school bit.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 24):
I checked once and IIRC, FAT was one of the 2 or 3 largest domestic markets to ORD without nonstop service (based on passenger counts).

Okay, I have to be dumb here, because I see it a lot now these days, but what is IIRC?

Now onto the topic of ORD from FAT...a 170 would definitely be a welcomed aircraft by many I'm sure, but as already stated, I would guess that SkyWest would get the route, unless UA grew up some guns and shot a mainline 737 or something on the route.

Then again, maybe AA could take the route? Would they be more likely?
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 25):
Then again, maybe AA could take the route? Would they be more likely?

AA Mainline already serves FAT from DFW....so I'd guess they'd be more likely.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 25):
Okay, I have to be dumb here, because I see it a lot now these days, but what is IIRC?

Sorry, I'm working on the computer and just hopping over here. So my fingers are getting tired. I usually try to limit my web speak and text abbreviations.

IIRC means If I Remember Correctly.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
The same reason their is a red-eye from LAS to MRY (it leaves LAS at 11:59 and arrives at MRY at 1:30AM). Many other California destinations served by US also have red eyes from LAS: MRY, SBA, BFL, FAT, SMF, SFO, SJC, SAN, PSP, OAK ect... Every destination in California except SNA, MCE, LGB, and BUR.

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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:20 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 29):
A red eye is not simply a late night flight!

Well, that is what I thought it was, a flight operated between 11PM and 5AM.

What is your definition?

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 25):
Now onto the topic of ORD from FAT...a 170 would definitely be a welcomed aircraft by many I'm sure, but as already stated, I would guess that SkyWest would get the route, unless UA grew up some guns and shot a mainline 737 or something on the route.

I would not be surprised if both AA threw an S80 to ORD, since they had the resolve to put two on to DFW.

If they did that UA would probably respond with a CRJ-700 or a E170 or 737 if they really wanted to challenge them.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
LOL, very nice. Did DL keep the -300's on the route or did they put the 732's back on?

Hey, something I can personally attest to. I worked for DL at FAT in the mid '90s. DL used 727's, 732's and 733's. Toward the end they brought in the MD-90 for the afternoon RNO flight. I remember loading that last flight even though I started working for Skywest at the time. It was neat to see that MD-90 come back around again for a flyby. Looking at some old Western schedules I found MRY-FAT on a 732 back in the early '80s. That must have been something!

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 25):
Now onto the topic of ORD from FAT... unless UA grew up some guns and shot a mainline 737 or something on the route.

Wouldn't that be nice. Hard to believe that a few decades ago UA had about a dozen flights out of FAT and even used DC-8's in the '70s. I think UA could stand to put at least one 737 or A319 on its DEN route or even to SFO or LAX. However, I think UA and DL are comfortable using Skywest. It seems like US is the only one actively expanding that FAT market. Much different than their days here when they took over PSA.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting FAT5DEP (Reply 31):

Wouldn't that be nice. Hard to believe that a few decades ago UA had about a dozen flights out of FAT and even used DC-8's in the '70s. I think UA could stand to put at least one 737 or A319 on its DEN route or even to SFO or LAX.

UA could sure as hell pull either A319 or the three 752s they have running the DEN-JAC route daily during the summer.

Makes you wonder why they even have the Dash 8 scheduled for a morning run.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 29):
A red eye is not simply a late night flight!

Depends on who is defining it.

Hotwire.com says Any flight scheduled to arrive after 12:29 a.m. local time is considered a red-eye, regardless of when it departed.
http://www.hotwire.com/customer-care...flight-times-faq.jsp#redEyeFlights

Quoting FAT5DEP (Reply 31):
However, I think UA and DL are comfortable using Skywest.

I think that Skywest Mx hangar at the airport will always impact the aircraft we see at FAT.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:05 pm

Nice to see mainline back in FAT. It did very well when they had it there last. We are also getting one mainline back in TUS...737 at 11:30am continues onto RNO. There has been a lot of issues with YV lately with their pilot shortage, so this should help out, as long as they didn't add express flights elsewhere! hehe
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 32):
Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 29):A red eye is not simply a late night flight!
Depends on who is defining it.

..and if you've done the midnight departure into Fresno, I can attest, there are plenty of "red eyes" on the flight..lol.

Fresno Bee story hit this morning, noting that FAT traffic is up 4% through May of this year compared to last. I'd expect when the summer numbers come in, that could change, given F9's departure and their 80% LF last summer. Only DL added seats for the summer, and one CRJ doesn't offset the loss of two '700's... Actually, UA was down one CRJ to DEN this summer as well from last year too.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 34):
Fresno Bee story hit this morning, noting that FAT traffic is up 4% through May of this year compared to last. I'd expect when the summer numbers come in, that could change, given F9's departure and their 80% LF last summer.

That is only a little lower than 2006's pattern. Through May 2006, traffic was up about 5.5%. It then jumped and the airport finished the year up 7.5%

Although Frontier left, XJet started flights in April/May. So that does also help offset passenger counts.

We could still see a year close to 7% growth in 2007 at FAT.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:22 am

Part of the reason FAT will see all CR9's is thanks to YV pulling two of their CRJ's (-200) out of the system.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
FATflyer might know the answer to this, but last year when US started the 319, didn't G4's loads take a sharp drop. FAT-LAS is a pretty competitive market.

Pardon my interruption, but the upgrade to the A319 last year was because there was a spare aircraft flying the system. The upgrade would have happened earlier this season (like July as FATflyer suggested), but there were simply no mainline aircraft for the FAT-LAS market. US/HP isn't known for making a bloodbath out of routes, and certainly has no issue trying to compete with CRJ's.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:08 am

But as he said FAT-LAS is a very competitive market. There are 3 airlines on the route which is unusual for any route in the US, particularly at a mid-sized city like Fresno.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 37):
But as he said FAT-LAS is a very competitive market. There are 3 airlines on the route which is unusual for any route in the US, particularly at a mid-sized city like Fresno.

Couldn't agree more...however running that aircraft LAS-FAT-LAS was because of extended planned ground time in LAS and timing. US draws significantly more yield off a CR9 than a 319 on a route like this.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:17 am

Frontier pulled its service from Fresno last month. My guess is that US has seen a jump in connecting traffic out of FAT.

The station manager says that, but it is hard to separate actual facts from enthusiasm. Preciado said demand is pushing the expansion. "This summer, our numbers are outrageous," he said of US Airways' five daily flights to Phoenix and three to Las Vegas.
http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/83674.html

I haven't seen actual numbers yet but the word is that load factors on all airlines are averaging close to 90% at FAT this month. Have you heard anything about US flights LFs? Last July US/HP was at 86% so I would not be surprised if it is exceeding that this year.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 39):

I haven't seen actual numbers yet but the word is that load factors on all airlines are averaging close to 90% at FAT this month. Have you heard anything about US flights LFs? Last July US/HP was at 86% so I would not be surprised if it is exceeding that this year.

A friend who flew US FAT-PHX in April told me that her flight was 100% full, so hopefully that is a good indication, especially since it was a CRJ-900.

Also, where did you get your LF information for US?
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:04 am

FAT usually publishes monthly reports with the load factor for each airline (regionals broken out), but not for individual routes.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 38):
however running that aircraft LAS-FAT-LAS was because of extended planned ground time in LAS and timing.

Will the 319 only last about a month and then switch back to a CR9? Seems like a rather short period of time to swap a mainline jet.

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 38):
US draws significantly more yield off a CR9 than a 319 on a route like this.

I have always wondered what the reason is for this. Crew pay aside, is it because it is cheaper to operate a CR9 than a 319?
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting FAT5DEP (Reply 42):
Will the 319 only last about a month and then switch back to a CR9? Seems like a rather short period of time to swap a mainline jet.

I would assume that the mainline jet will stick around this time, pending FAT success of course. With the newer US dedicated gate/jetway and all, it would make sense, but then again, I could be totally wrong. Question though....is US using only the new jetway now, and not using the old gate on the lower level they had? Just wondering, because I know OO parked some EMB's over there by where US has the newer gate.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 43):
I would assume that the mainline jet will stick around this time, pending FAT success of course.

I was checking the website and it didn't show up in mid October.

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 43):
Question though....is US using only the new jetway now, and not using the old gate on the lower level they had? Just wondering, because I know OO parked some EMB's over there by where US has the newer gate.

Yes. US and OO switched gates about a month ago. In the mornings I usually see 3 EMB120's parked if front of the old US gate. This makes more sense. Its kind of crazy that you have to walk past all those empty lower level gates to get to the jetways. I would have thought Xjet would use a closer lower level gate as it appears they do not use a jetway. But then they wouldn't be up in the new concourse with all the others.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 43):
Question though....is US using only the new jetway now, and not using the old gate on the lower level they had? Just wondering, because I know OO parked some EMB's over there by where US has the newer gate.

I believe that is correct, US is now using only gate 17. I saw a new lease that swapped gates around.

Skywest now has gates 11 and 15. The UAX Denver flights are listed in the FIDS as using 15, the DLConn flights are 11. The UAX Brasilias are all being listed in FIDS as gate 11B so that means down the stairs.

Skywest probably needs to swap things around at 11 and 15, put DLConn at 15 and all UAX out of 11 and 11B.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:37 am

Skywest's gate situation at FAT has really taken a drive, trying to run everything out of 11...it's just too crowded. People struggle so with the stairs to go down to the EMB120s. The other night, my CRJ from LAX came in at gate 9... Seriously, Skywest needs to reevaluate this mess.

Of course, Express Jet isn't using their jetway either, and last Sunday it was pretty pathetic to watch people with baby strollers (and there were a bunch) trying to make it down the stairs to board their flight to ONT, btw, which was about 75% full. The elevators seem to be ignored for the most part at either Skywest or XJ.
 
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 45):
Skywest probably needs to swap things around at 11 and 15, put DLConn at 15 and all UAX out of 11 and 11B.

I agree. Maybe even have the Brasilias board at Gate 9 so you don't have to walk up and down the stairs. And then give Xjet Gates 5 and 7.
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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
Not sure if I'd want to sit in an ERJ for three hours to IAH.

For a few weeks CO did EWR-BOI...somebody on here said it was one ofthe long-legged ExpressJets, but I'm not sure, although I cringe at the thought of 5+ hours in an ERJ.

Quoting FAT5DEP (Reply 30):
Looking at some old Western schedules I found MRY-FAT on a 732 back in the early '80s.

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RE: US Upgrades FAT

Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 48):
For a few weeks CO did EWR-BOI...

When?
I remember IAH-BOI, but I don't recall ever seeing EWR-BOI.

And what gate does AA use at FAT? Are they in the new part of the terminal now? I haven't been down there in a few years.
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