modesto2
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Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:43 am

Can anyone provide some information regarding Delta's JFK operations? What are their destinations, frequencies, etc... I believe they operate the most trans-atlantic flights of any US airline from JFK. Is this correct? Thanks.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 5:12 am

I think Delta has about 130 flights a day from JFK. The airport is their primary gateway to Europe (Athens, Barcelona, Dublin, Frankfurt, Lyon, Madrid, Milan, Manchester, Rome, Paris, Stockholm, Warsaw, Istanbul, Moscow, Venice, Stuttgart, Munich, and Zurich) and probably some others I left out. They have feeder flights to places like Houston, Seattle, LAX, SAN, SFO, Boston, DCA, code-share with South African to JNB, Air France (which operates from Terminal One), PDX, ATL, FLL, and Delta Express also serves some Florida markets. Delta operates from Terminals 2 and 3, the old Pan Am worldport (T3). Terminal 2 was once the Delta/Northwest terminal, but Pan Am acquired it in the 1980's.

JFK is not considered a hub. Much of the traffic is O&D though with the feeders, there is beyond service. For instance, they fly a 767-300 from Hartford, CT to JFK, then on to Europe.

 
flumuc
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 5:38 am

Delta stopped JFK-Stuttgart flights in March or June.
 
Boeing757/767
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 5:49 am

I flew DL in June on the JFK-Istanbul route. The terminal is a parade of 767-300s. A good operation, but the terminal is cramped in the summer crush.
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 6:31 am

It is unfortunate that DL doesn't expand JFK operations, especially in the morning and early afternoon where the terminal looks like a ghost town.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 7:04 am

JFK isn't suited for hub operations, unless you are specifically focused on a strategy, like JetBlue. JFK is currently unable to accomodate hub-type operations beyond what DL and AA offer. However, with American Airlines new 54 gate facility opening in 2004, all bets are off. Delta really needs to do something about Terminals 2 and 3. They are cramped, old, and were not intended for high volume traffic.

 
Peter
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 9:21 am

I think that Delta should develope JFK into a really big hub on both international and domestic flights. They should certainly do something to improve terminals 2 and 3. They are looking old, and, in the late afternoon, are very crowded. I think the best thing would be to build a new, big, and uncrowded terminal, like AA is doing.
 
nycank
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 12:36 pm


Delta considers JFK a hub. It is listed in its worldwide timetable as such.
As others have mentioned, it operats many transatlantic from there, and
has added Brussels, also does Bombay (via FRA).

Delta would add more if they were permitted. PANJNY is redoing JFK as a
long term renovation/addition etc. to facilitate a better experience for
travellers  .
 
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Fri Aug 11, 2000 12:48 pm

Ok, lets clear some things up.

As correctly stated in the above, DL's Stuttgart service has been discontinued.

Delta has in addition to the above mentioned routes daily AMS service.

PANYNJ is the governor of the airport and has launched an ambitious plan to create an "Airtrain" to connect the 9 terminals with parking and an MTA subway station at Howard Beach. Additionally, PA is midway in the renovation/expansion effort at Terminal 4. It is coming throigh successfully, so far on time and within reasonable budget overages. PA has substantial effort on this front however. The same management company that oversees Schiphol in AMS has been brought in to oversee the Terminal 4 effort. The name is an abbreviation of sorts, it slips my mind now.

Ok, as correctly mentioned AA is embarking on a grand scheme to replace Terminal 8 and Terminal 9 with a new modern terminal for Eagle, mainline, and several oneworld partners. Construction I believe has yet to begin. Financing for the project, roughly half a billion dollars is coming from Dallas. Not PANYNJ.

Delta, to counter AA's program has also announced intentions to replace Terminal 2 and Terminal 3 with its own, privately financed terminal.

PANYNJ has continued to improve traffic flow and parking.

 
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RE: ContinetalEWR

Fri Aug 11, 2000 11:42 pm

Delta does not have anywhere near 130 departures from JFK. It's right around 60.
 
Delta15
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JFK Ops

Sat Aug 12, 2000 12:18 am

Actually delta has 48 departures from JFK. Not including Express, and Connections etc.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Sat Aug 12, 2000 12:37 am

Sorry, I had read somewhere that it was around 130, which always seemed high since the terminals are deserted in the morning and early afternoon. In any case, JFK is NOT a Delta hub. Delta has a large presence there by virtue of its European routes and feeder services, both mainline and Delta Connection, as well as the few Delta Express flights now operating from there. If the number is around 48-60 departures per day, that doesn't seem to suggest a hub, in the true sense.
 
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RE: Delta's JFK Operations

Sat Aug 12, 2000 12:40 am

Delta has 3 Delta Express departures daily at JFK, all to FLL with 737-200 aircraft.

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