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Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:16 am

I has been think about WN routes in US and compared to another airlines in US. I has notice that UA, AA, NW, DL has been flying to Northern part of US, ie: montana, SD, ND, wyoming. But WN has been flying to most of US but not to that part of area. I wounder if WN will expand their service up there? Or it is impossible due to number of people flying everyday and weather in that area? any comment welcome (Pls excuse my english thanks)
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
I has been think about WN routes in US and compared to another airlines in US. I has notice that UA, AA, NW, DL has been flying to Northern part of US, ie: montana, SD, ND, wyoming. But WN has been flying to most of US but not to that part of area. I wounder if WN will expand their service up there? Or it is impossible due to number of people flying everyday and weather in that area? any comment welcome (Pls excuse my english thanks)

These states you just mentioned are all VERY small. The Dakotas, Wyoming and Montana represent the least populated part of the U.S. (NV was the smallest a very long time ago now!). The one market many would like to see WN serve near there is MSP. That said I think you'll see WN serve airports such as YYC, YEG, YVR and possibly YWG before you see any service to those four states.
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:24 am

The weather isn't a factor.

Southwest will only start service with something over ten flights a day to a certain market. Most of those markets in that region of the country just cannot support that kind of O&D traffic, in my opinion. The biggest markets we are looking at are probably what, Billings, Sioux Falls, and Fargo-Moorhead. Hub service to such small cities makes more sense, and as far as I'm concerned some of those cities don't even have enough of that.

I guess what I mean is, take any one of those cities...is there a single non-hub market that can support a daily, nonstop, year-round 737 flight? Much less multiple flights?
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:26 am

But somehow WN is able to serve some pretty small cities such as Jackson, Harlingen, Norfolk. . .
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:41 am

Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 3):
But somehow WN is able to serve some pretty small cities such as Jackson, Harlingen, Norfolk. . .

Those are much bigger than places like Billings, Great Falls, Missoula, Bismarck, Fargo, Grand Forks, Rapid City, Sioux Falls, Cheyenne or Casper. Most of those places are better served out of hubs like DEN, SLC or MSP. JAN is actually on par with places like DSM, and OMH. ORF is actually the largest market between RDU or CLT and the DC metro area (bigger than RIC). GEG and BOI represent the smallest WN markets in the northwestern quadrant of states, which is why I speculate we'll see trans-border service to Canada long before anything in the emptiest quarter of the U.S.
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):

I would think the only ones that would stand a chance to lure Southwest would be Fargo(NW does pretty good there and always have) or Billings

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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 3):
But somehow WN is able to serve some pretty small cities such as Jackson, Harlingen, Norfolk

Especially those are in very samllest states in north eastern part of US, WN has been going there for long time now. MHT has been doing well and even has n/s to LAS. So bascially, WN should think about try some of large city in those 4 states. WN can do same plane hop in 4 states or something.
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:53 am

Yes Fargo has been doing very good with NW and Fargo may doing good with WN as those people would like to go west or to LAS. WN would give those people in 4 states an easy access to west part of US.
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 6):
WN has been going there for long time now. MHT has been doing well and even has n/s to LAS.

MHT can also play off of Boston traffic. The other day I drove from BOS (the airport) to MHT (the airport) in an hour; it's pretty much a straight shot up I-93. Leave BOS, go through the Sumner Tunnel, drive 50 miles on I-93, take I-293 for 2 exits, follow Route 3A for about 5 minutes. Real easy drive. Not to mention that from the Northern Boston suburbs, MHT is a half hour away (from Lowell area, stright up US-3; from Lawrence/Andover, right up I-93). MHT easily has a catchment area of about 2 million people; hardly a small population; plus, there are many people that are fiercely loyal to MHT; when most people ask me where I travel out of and I say BOS, they look at me like I have 2 heads and ask me why I would want to deal with the traffic/delays/etc. (I'm a sucker for first class/frequent flyer lounge/more non-stops, which BOS has much more of than MHT).

As for Montana/the Dakotas/Wyoming, there isn't much in terms of cities there unfortunately. Wyoming's only mainline service is to JAC, which is a very seasonal destination, which you don't see out of WN. Their other cities support props to DEN and SLC, which are both very large regional hubs. Montana has some airports that are a bit better off in regards to mainline service, but Billings, it's largest city, supports around 5 mainline flights a day, primarily to regional hubs. With the Dakotas, some of the largest cities such as Fargo and Sioux Falls simply support regional service with NW having mainline to it's megahub over in MSP, which is the central city for that region. These cities couldn't handle an extra 1330 seats a day (10 or so WN 737s); it would be a 100% increase in capacity, which would just leave many empty seats in these markets.
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:55 pm

Cities in that part of the country like the ones mentioned above are prime candidates for Allegiant (most of the cities already have them there) and perhaps the forthcoming Frontier/Lynx q400 operation. I don't we will ever see SWA in that part of the country for a long time, if ever.
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:31 pm

It would be nice to see WN take a chance with GRB or MKE. But thats just me.
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 9):
I don't we will ever see SWA in that part of the country for a long time, if ever.

I'm with you, CID'. Extremely low population, both the cities and surrounding areas (read: pretty darned sparse catchment areas for the airports) in conjunction with mighty poor weather at least half the year (which renders the cities pretty much seasonal destinations and WN just doesn't do totally seasonal stations.)

Maybe XE will try to pick up a couple of the largest cities with some very carefully selected P-2-P routes but I really don't expect WN, or VX or SX for that matter, to be interested for a very long time. (I think most of us are still waiting to see how XE has done with its first batch of cities and service before trying to figure out their future.)

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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:28 pm

I don't see WN flying into FSD or FAR until they get some E-jets. (yes, i think they'll acquire smaller jets in the next 5 years) then connecting service through DEN or MDW would make sense. and, one can only hope that WN would go into MSP...but i ran out of breath years ago waiting for that!!
 
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting FlyABR (Reply 12):
one can only hope that WN would go into MSP...but i ran out of breath years ago waiting for that!!

I dont think they would take a the risk going into MSP, but I do see them trying MKE/GRB as I mentioned earlier as alternative airports.
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RE: Will WN Expand Routes To North Part Of US?

Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:53 am

I would think RAP would be able to sustain pretty decent service, especially with flights to DEN, MCI, MDW and SLC - with perhaps SEA or STL mixed in. This is a rapidly growing (no pun intended) area in the Black Hills and I would say this is the best bet among any of the other choices. BZN or MSO might also be a long-shot - although that seems more seasonable to me.

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