fllcontinental
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Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:54 pm

I was wondering why some airlines have not decided to fly to FLL from europe or vice versa? The 9000 ft runway can certainly handle a large aircraft. And because FLL is the fastest growing airport in USA is there a chance in the near future?
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:27 pm

Fort Lauderdale has service to Europe.....25 miles down I-95 that is  wink 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:08 pm

I believe FCA are starting a fortnightly LGW-FLL service usign 763ERs  Wink
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fllcontinental
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
I believe FCA are starting a fortnightly LGW-FLL service usign 763ERs

I can only hope!
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:07 am

There was proposed a flight from BHX with Flyblue to link with the cruise passenger needs from the UK.It did not actually get off the ground because they did not have an aircraft!!
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:14 am

Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that. Especially once the new parallel runway is built. However, I'd expect more in the way of years rather than months.

For now, MIA will be the transatlantic and more international airport - while FLL will be the mostly domestic field with a little int'l service sprinkled in, similar to how LGA and EWR/JFK work.

[Edited 2007-07-14 20:15:28]
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:03 pm

PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI? The Palm Beach market could certainly support a couple of weekly flights to Europe. Britannia used to run a weekly charter from PBI a couple of years ago to London, not sure what happened to that flight.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:56 pm

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 5):

Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that.

Laker started service FLL-LGW over 10 years ago and went belly up, again! I guess MIA/MCO is the preferred Florida gateways as that is where the traffic is, notwithstanding FLL being a good airport.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 7):
Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that.

What about the Terminal 4?
 
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jetpixx
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 8):
What about the Terminal 4?

They can barely handle the slew of int'l flights on the 319s of NK right now...they absolutely need more room. Can you imagine a 767 pulling in from Europe at the same time that the Haitians and Dominicans are getting off of their flights with 26 bags? It would be more of a nightmare than it is at 7-8pm in Terminal 4...and most European flights arrive late afternoon and leave near dusk.

Basically, it ain't gonna happen until that situation is improved dramatically.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:37 am

Could FLL expand past I-95 and have a taxiway built over it? (That would require I-95 to dip under.)
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:39 am

Also, forgot to ask, is there anywhere else on the FLL grounds right now where an international terminal could be built, leaving T4 to NK?
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI?

AY don't fly there because they don't have the planes to fly there and since the pax numbers are too low to start service, thye can go though JFK to HEL. AY's market is in Asia and they are focusing on it strongly.
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 10):

The plan is that the existing southern runway will be widened and expanded over the FEC railroad tracks and US1 will go underneath...

That's the plan, anyway...it will take years before everything comes into fruition.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI?

It could be too much of a low-yield market for LH, plus LH is due to start service to MCO soon, so a separate flight to PBI may overlap LH's new MCO service. As for LT, it may not make sense for them to start service to PBI, since they already operate scheduled flights into nearby RSW from DUS, not to mention the upcoming TXL-MLB charter service.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
As for LT, it may not make sense for them to start service to PBI, since they already operate scheduled flights into nearby RSW from DUS

Don't forget, they operate into MIA also.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 15):
Don't forget, they operate into MIA also.

Correct, and so does LH (although MIA is LH's biggest market in Florida, operated with a 744 out of FRA and seasonally with an A343 out of MUC IIRC, and their upcoming MCO service is due to be operated out of FRA with an A333).
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting John (Reply 6):
So why doesn't Finnair



Quoting John (Reply 6):
fly to PBI

Remember, AY used to operate Helsinki to MIA and look how that turned out.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 17):

Remember, AY used to operate Helsinki to MIA and look how that turned out.

It turned out very well, with excellent loads and decent yields, despite being operated as an all-Y flight. The flight was suspended because of aircraft needed to expand in the obviously more profitable Asian market. Finnair tried to operate to Miami with their holiday 757s after that, but that was nowhere near as popular. Finnair will be back to Miami in the future, make no doubt about that, when they have the equipment.
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:22 am

What ever happen to the following flights....I know they don't exist anymore but what was the erason behind ending all of them? Can anyone expand on some info on each one's service?

Icelandair to KEF
Condor to FRA
Finnair to HEL
Martinair to AMS back in the 90's


Am I missing any other major's?

Any of them come back one day?
717, 727, 731, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 752, 753, 762, 763, 777, DC9, MD80, DC10, L1011, ERJ, CRJ, ATR, DH8, A300,
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:56 pm

Martinair left for two reasons:

- Back then, MIA was served 6 times a week, FLL once (IIRC). Not very efficient. Same reason why TPA was abandoned in favor of MCO.

- Although the runway measures 9000 feet, it can still be too short when a lot of cargo is carried. I remember having to offload quite a bit of cargo there on several occasions. MIA doesn't have that problem thanks to its very long RW09/27.

However, MP-Pax' possible changeover into an intercontinental LCC may open up new possibilities for FL airport looking to attract transatlantic service. MIA and MCO are relatively busy and expensive.
 
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population.

Why is that--Europeans with vacation homes, or just visiting, or what?
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MAH4546
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RE: Why No FLL-Europe Service?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting 76er (Reply 20):
However, MP-Pax' possible changeover into an intercontinental LCC may open up new possibilities for FL airport looking to attract transatlantic service. MIA and MCO are relatively busy and expensive.

MIA is also a major cargo hub, and Martinair's busiest international outstation. They aren't leaving MIA anytime soon.
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