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Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:13 pm

So folks, latest news from Scotland's airports:

ABERDEEN
BMI Regional dropping the Brussels flight

Eastern Airways starting flights to Stavanger using Saab 2000

FlyGlobespan operting Funchal and Geneva during the winter as well as some Spanish destinations.

Plans have been made to build 2 new hotels at ABZ:
http://www.thisisaberdeen.co.uk/disp...5752&folderPk=85352&pNodeId=148787

HIAL
Inverness AIrport finally have their own radar team. Up until recently, radar control was provided from RAF Lossiemouth.

EDINBURGH
EARL remains a hot topic with regards to EDI.

The airport also had it's busiest ever day last month.

Centralwings have just announced a new service to Poznan, with rumours of an extra route to Szczecin to follow.

GLASGOW
Glasgow news remains fairly quiet following the terrorist attack.

Virgin have been operating a short series through GLA to Orlando. Another series is planned for October. Rumours suggest they'll be back next year with an extended programme.

GLASGOW PRESTWICK
The Antonov 225 was a recent visitor to the airport, whilst cargo also remains a major part of operations at PIK.

Ryanair expansion seems to be dormant although PIK-ORK is rumoured to be announced shortly.

FLYGLOBESPAN
They really should look more carefully at what they are doing. Delays everywhere have meant that this has not been a very good year for GSM. Perhaps they should have concentrated on European services from Scotland rather than go head first into long hauls ops.
GLA-SFB however, appears to be doing well.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
HIAL
Inverness AIrport finally have their own radar team. Up until recently, radar control was provided from RAF Lossiemouth.

Also Flybe has signalled its intention to expand at INV with services to Paris and Amsterdam in 2008, together with a host of UK destinations.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
FlyGlobespan operting Funchal and Geneva during the winter as well as some Spanish destinations

Other new routes are Prague and Malaga (once weekly against ZB's thrice weekly)

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
HIAL
Inverness AIrport finally have their own radar team. Up until recently, radar control was provided from RAF Lossiemouth.

BE are talking of expanding to MAN/BHX/SOU/CDG/AMS

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
GLASGOW PRESTWICK
The Antonov 225 was a recent visitor to the airport, whilst cargo also remains a major part of operations at PIK.

Ryanair expansion seems to be dormant although PIK-ORK is rumoured to be announced shortly.

Wizz Air have recently announced Katowice and Poznan services
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:27 pm

Lufthansa has filed a slot application for DUS-EDI (CRJ).

What is the status of the proposed island PSO-services out of Oban to Tiree etc. A lot of internet services say that the flights were supposed to start in August 07, but this apparently is not going to happen with the contract yet to be awarded (with the only contender appearing to be Highland Airways?). There was also talk back in 2006 that there should be connecting flights from EDI and GLA to Oban - has this idea died quietly?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:09 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 3):
What is the status of the proposed island PSO-services out of Oban to Tiree etc.

Been loads of rumours over on Pprune about that. Not heard much else about it though.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 3):
There was also talk back in 2006 that there should be connecting flights from EDI and GLA to Oban - has this idea died quietly?

Probably. Glasgow is well served with regular First Scotrail train services to Queen Street.
Edinburgh, not sure about train services but dunno if there is much demand for a flight...people enjoy driving through the countryside to get to Oban due to Scotland's spectacular scenery  Smile
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
BE are talking of expanding to MAN/BHX/SOU/CDG/AMS

- Excellent move, INV is so remote from anything, for me traveling there can be an issue due to lack of flights.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:29 pm

The extended VS program ex-GLA is definite not a rumour. Including Easter services.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Centralwings have just announced a new service to Poznan, with rumours of an extra route to Szczecin to follow.

More than rumours, they have applied for slots and with Poznan now announced there must be a good chance Szczecin will join it on sale.

There's quite a lot of confusion over what EZY are doing at EDI for winter as currently the schedule is very sparse with only 3 early morning departures with room for quite a bit more so we'll have to wait and see what they have in store, if anything.

As for GSM, well they're having yet another bad day at EDI today, one look at the BAA arrivals/departures screen will show you that. I think they may have an aircraft tech at PMI.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:53 am

Does anybody know if the Sunday flights from KOI to GLA at 1330 by Loganair and from GLA to LCY at 1550 by Cityflyer are operated with aircraft that sit idle at KOI/GLA before their respective departures? I am considering taking these flights in order to make a conncetion at LCY on a Sunday in October, so some sort of re-assurance that the aircraft operating these two flights will not have been able to build up delays would be appreciated. It is the only chance to get me back from the Orkneys to Germany on a Sunday.

As we are just at it, what islands should I visit from Kirkwall with Loganair - probably Westray is a must - what else (I will only have time for two, maybe three)?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:20 am

CityFlyer aircraft on the LCY route dont sit idle prior to their flight, they have standard turnarounds during the day but this hasnt prevented the continued cancellation and delays to this particular route, most of the delays at peak hours due to overcrowding at LCY and most of the cancellations off peak due to poor loads. There is unfortunately likely to be delays on this route. There tends to be much more lea-way on the KOI services and the Saabs are based at GLA

[Edited 2007-07-14 19:20:46]
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:21 am

Well, I was wondering about the sunday afternoon service in particular.I am aware that the Avros are busy during the week, but between saturday and sunday noon they cannot operate any services from/to LCY as the airport is closed.

My understanding is that since LCY is closed until sunday noon, there is little work - if any - for Cityflyer's Avros before their first trip down south. If my intelligence is correct, four Avros from EDI and two from GLA are heading down to LCY on sunday afternoons to start services from there on late sunday afternoons. So my theory is that the aircraft operating the 1550 sunday flight GLA-LCY has not done much flying on that day (if any) before this departure. Hence my hope that the flight I am eyeing is less unlikely to be delayed than weekday GLA-LCY flights.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:09 am

BA Cityflyer do some charters at weekends, so there is a chance your plane could have been doing a morning charter. Someone else may know exactly what charters BA Cityflyer do
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:51 am

They do PMI from GLA and EDI at weekends.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 12):
They do PMI from GLA and EDI at weekends.

All that way in an RJ100  yuck 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:38 am

Yes, the BA service would be all that would compensate for cramped suroundings and lack of IFE. Do the RJ100s have leather seating ?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 12):
They do PMI from GLA and EDI at weekends.

Aswell as INN from EDI. Not sure what day the GLA flight operates on but both EDI charters operate on Saturdays so aren't really relevant if Vfw614 is looking to travel on a Sunday. BA Cityflyer always have atleast a couple of aircraft sitting around doing nothing at EDI at the weekend anyway.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:31 am

On sundays there are only Thomsonfly flights scheduled from GLA to PMI, so my guess is that Cityflyer does the PMI runs on saturdays.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 16):
sundays there are only Thomsonfly flights scheduled from GLA to PMI

And GSM and EZY who operate to PMI at the weekends (EZY returns to GLA on Sundays)
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:36 am

Yes, you are correct of course. I had only been looking at the non-scheduled carriers / tour operators.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:55 pm

easyJet have announced EDI-Krakow 4 x weekly.

Remember John Smeaton, legend of Glasgow? Well, he's donating half of the money raised to help war veterans, and the rest he's using for a big night out for those who were at GLA when the attack happened.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:18 pm

Easyjet should be basing an extra A319 in scotland from September, so there should be more route announcements soon. Aircraft is believed to be heading to GLA, but may end up at EDI.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 20):
but may end up at EDI.

Especially if BAA and the RDF lot have anything to do with it  Wink
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:30 pm

I have been in contact with Loganair about the "Orkney Adventure Pass" which gave you three inter-island flights for as little as 70 GBP in the past (one confirmed, two stand-by roundtrips). They have informed me that they no longer offer this pass.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:54 pm

Looking at the Dutch Slot Coordination website T3 have applied for slots at AMS from INV - stealing Flybe's thunder?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
Especially if BAA and the RDF lot have anything to do with it

The same RDF that doesnt exist anymore for new routes ?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Thanks for the updates!
I spent quite some time in Scotland between 1995 and 2002 around GLA and EDI. I regret didn't get much to PIK to watch - as I am finding out now quite a place with "heavies" variety. Gee... An225. I wonder what sort of a luggage was being transported  Smile.

Also seeing in the photos at EDI that An-24 is a regular visitor - nice. It's the most common bird over here in YKS.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 24):
The same RDF that doesnt exist anymore for new routes ?

Thought that was just for long haul flights?
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 26):
Thought that was just for long haul flights?

correct... non EU flights are no longer eligible for RDF funding.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:08 pm

FR dropping INV-LPL.
Always thought the 738 was too big for an a/c that size...perhaps FlyBe or Eastern may take a look at this route?
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 28):
Always thought the 738 was too big for an a/c that size...perhaps FlyBe or Eastern may take a look at this route?

Me too.

Flybe couldnt make EDI/GLA-LPL work - so I doubt they would attempt INV-LPL.

Is there still an EMA-INV? If so, anyone know how that one is going?
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting Yak97 (Reply 23):
Looking at the Dutch Slot Coordination website T3 have applied for slots at AMS from INV - stealing Flybe's thunder?

Did the same for summer as well

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 28):
FR dropping INV-LPL.

And ABZ-LPL
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Eastern Airways starting flights to Stavanger using Saab 2000

They're going for the BP pax I see. ABZ-NWI and ABZ-SVG are trunk routes for us, connecting between North Sea HQ and Southern North Sea ops and Norway business unit. I'm not sure if we use SOU or BOH for Wytch Farm though.

I rather liked them when I went to Yarmouth. They had a lounge at ABZ and they gave sweets and champagne on the flight. Very civilised, especially in a turboprop. Like those mythical golden days of aviation.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:13 am

With T3 entering ABZ-SVG...that means there is now 8 (!) daily flights with 4 different carriers.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:31 am

A nice rumour on TWA:

NW have applied for rights to operate BOS and DTW to GLA. It was about this time last year that the same rumour cropped up I'm sure, although MSP was involed that time I think.

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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 32):
With T3 entering ABZ-SVG...that means there is now 8 (!) daily flights with 4 different carriers.

the routes a goldmine... our lot are on the route quite frequently.

We also have people travelling to Houston frequently...... its a matter of when, not if

Oh, also rumours on www.taxiwayalpha.com of bmi replacing Brussels with rotterdam from Aberdeen

[Edited 2007-07-19 20:00:49]
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 33):
It was about this time last year that the same rumour cropped up

And next year, and the next....
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 34):
Oh, also rumours on www.taxiwayalpha.com of bmi replacing Brussels with rotterdam from Aberdeen

Complying with A.net "provide a source" rules and doing some free advertising at the same time. Nice. Better say something aviation related now...

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 34):
We also have people travelling to Houston frequently...... its a matter of when, not if

Plenty of rumours, but still nothing happening. When will the runway extension be finished?

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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 34):
Oh, also rumours on www.taxiwayalpha.com of bmi replacing Brussels with rotterdam from Aberdeen

Which was originally from BMI At Rotterdam/RTM (by Yak97 Jul 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 37):
Which was originally from BMI At Rotterdam/RTM (by Yak97 Jul 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 38):
Meeeoow !

Got to keep things 100% factual  Wink
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:02 am

More disruption at Stornoway yesterday due to lack of air traffic controllers. The airport had to close at 4PM due to an ATC being off sick. The late afternon flights to/from Inverness, Glasgow and Edinburgh all cancelled. HIAL say they hope to have these issues resolved in the next month.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 36):
Plenty of rumours, but still nothing happening. When will the runway extension be finished?

To be finished for the start of summer season, 2008.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 3):
What is the status of the proposed island PSO-services out of Oban to Tiree etc. A lot of internet services say that the flights were supposed to start in August 07, but this apparently is not going to happen with the contract yet to be awarded (with the only contender appearing to be Highland Airways?). There was also talk back in 2006 that there should be connecting flights from EDI and GLA to Oban - has this idea died quietly?

Highland Airways have preferred bidder status and are looking to recruit Islander pilots for services from Oban.
http://www.highlandairways.co.uk/cgi...3+/highland/I7/EN/static/news.html

I noticed that Loch Lomand Seaplanes advertise a service from the River Clyde in Glasgow to Oban Bay but this isn't scheduled.

http://www.lochlomondseaplanes.com/custom.html
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:36 am

The upgrade to Connel airfield and the start of the island airlinks to Colonsay and Coll could be delayed due to issues with the fire appliances.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6913356.stm

I'd really like to see these flights be successful however at the moment things don't seem to be very well planned or managed.
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting BMIE70 (Reply 43):
I'd really like to see these flights be successful however at the moment things don't seem to be very well planned or managed.

Indeed  Sad
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:21 am

easyJet have finally announced plans to operate GLA-CDG from the end of October 2007.

Regaining a nonstop service GLA-CDG is well overdue - thank you easyJet!
 
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 45):
Regaining a nonstop service GLA-CDG is well overdue - thank you easyJet!

Yup, lets hope for a few more in the near future too!

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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:13 am

Aye, fantastic news about GLA-CDG.
Looks like Transavia may be dropping PIK-AMS though  Sad
And GSM have dropped ABZ-GVA already, due to extremely low bookings.
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:20 am

GLA-Paris service was long overdue

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 47):
And GSM have dropped ABZ-GVA already, due to extremely low bookings.

This surprises me because it was ABZ's only ski route. Out of GSM;s winter schedule at ABZ, I would have thought Funchal would have been the weakest route. Although this could create space for a 2nd weekly Malaga service after the ZB pull out
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RE: Scottish Aviation Thread - July 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 48):
This surprises me because it was ABZ's only ski route

Apparently since it was launched...less than 100 bookings(!)
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