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What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:40 pm

gang,

i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

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[Edited 2007-07-14 16:46:14]
 
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RE: What's In A Name?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:47 pm

To me, it sounds like Boeing is breaking tradition. Same way as the 747-"8"
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

Probably not, but Boeing will continue to use the three digit customer identifier for their planes.

So LN001 should be a 787-881 when she is delivered to NH.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:59 am

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Boeing and Douglas Merge...

DC-8, DC-9, DC-10....
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Probably not, but Boeing will continue to use the three digit customer identifier for their planes.

So LN001 should be a 787-881 when she is delivered to NH.

Yep, I'd say so.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

The 00s were placeholders for the customer codes (exceptions were the 707 Series, which as placeholder had Boeing's own customer code, which is 20, e.g. 707-320, 707-420). Those placeholders were removed now, but I'm sure the customer code will still be included (e.g. an LH 747-8I would be designated as 747-830, NH's 787-8s will be designated as 787-881).
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:52 am

Part of the reason for the nomenclature change was influenced by the Asian market. With "8" being considered a lucky symbol in those cultures, a slightly revised nomenclature was introduced based on that number.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Boeing and Douglas Merge...

DC-8, DC-9, DC-10....

Interesting!
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:16 am

So what are they going to do when they introduce the 787-10? Four-digit suffixes when the customer codes are included? That's kind of silly. I think they ought to stick with -200, -300, etc.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
So what are they going to do when they introduce the 787-10?

787-1xx, I imagine.

So a QF 787-10 will be a 787-138.

The trick will be the 787-11, but I imagine they'll come up with a letter suffix, so it will be a 787-138B or something (like QF's 707s).
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
The trick will be the 787-11, but I imagine they'll come up with a letter suffix, so it will be a 787-138B or something (like QF's 707s).

its possible that they would just use 787-2xx since a 787-12 is very unlikely.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:55 am

one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Im presuming other aircraft like the 757, 767 and 777 were origionally going to maybe have a 1 varient but they were deemed unsuitable but to start at a 788??

Any ideas on this??
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Im presuming other aircraft like the 757, 767 and 777 were origionally going to maybe have a 1 varient but they were deemed unsuitable but to start at a 788??

Any ideas on this??


The Chinese like the #8.

The plane will enter service in 2008 in time for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing

Also ...

the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

[Edited 2007-07-15 04:08:13]
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
Also ...

the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

While the -8 was chosen partially because the -8 would have greater than 8000nm range with a 3 class 8Y capacity of around 220 seats, the -9 was originally proposed to have less range than the -8 and would have been closer to 8000nm. The -9 was chosent to indicate that it was bigger.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:49 pm

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Same reason why many software companies don't release 1.x releases, and some don't even do x.0 (e.g., 5.0) -- they'll do x.1 (e.g., 5.1).

I think Airbus pioneered this bogosity with the A380-800 -- why isn't it an A380-100?

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
The plane will enter service in 2008 in time for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing

Not to mention, opening ceremony on August 2008. (8th month)

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

That's the official quoted reason they have been telling me anyways.

To me, it's just a name. You can call it whatever you want as long as you think you can market it and sell it.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 6):
Part of the reason for the nomenclature change was influenced by the Asian market. With "8" being considered a lucky symbol in those cultures, a slightly revised nomenclature was introduced based on that number.

I've always found this to be a flimsy association. I'm not an expert on Asian folklore, but I don't doubt that they have 8 as a lucky number. Still, I've seen no verification of such an intended marketing scheme. Consider these points: 1) Wouldn't selling a sophisticated aircraft on the premise of "luck" be somewhat insulting both to Boeing and the Asians? 2) Only 1/5th of the current orders are associated with East Asian airlines. What about the rest of the customers, to whom 8 has no meaning whatsoever? Is it insulting to ignore all the other cultural superstitions? 3) The -8 is only one of several models. Would this imply that Boeing are banking luck on the 787-8 at the expense of seemingly equal -3 or -9 (and -10)?

Or is this "reason" simply an unfounded urban legend?

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...

I think it's because to avoid the massive prodcution they've experienced with the 737, coming up with more than 8 series!

They might be throwing those numbers up to avoid a low perspective... I think 787-8 sounds cooler than 787-1... Same on the A380... Perhaps they're just giving a smarter or cooler look to the name, to attract customers.

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:58 pm

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the plane was going to be designated 787-8 instead of 787-800 to signify that Boeing was not going to customise planes to the same extent that they used to, so a 787-8 delivered to ANA would be identical to a 787-8 delivered to Air New Zealand or whatever - no customer codes and nothing different from Boeing's side.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
So a QF 787-10 will be a 787-138.

I was thinking more like 787-1000. It makes sense as you can extend past the 900 series which I reckon was the point of the 787-10... Usually they start off 1, 2, 3 etc but starting off as 8 and going up might be the new way. Just my 2c
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:24 pm

Maybe it just looks "trendy" and modern.

sorta like Mazda 3, or Mazda 6, instead of 323 or 626 :p
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
I've always found this to be a flimsy association. I'm not an expert on Asian folklore, but I don't doubt that they have 8 as a lucky number. Still, I've seen no verification of such an intended marketing scheme. Consider these points: 1) Wouldn't selling a sophisticated aircraft on the premise of "luck" be somewhat insulting both to Boeing and the Asians? 2) Only 1/5th of the current orders are associated with East Asian airlines. What about the rest of the customers, to whom 8 has no meaning whatsoever? Is it insulting to ignore all the other cultural superstitions? 3) The -8 is only one of several models. Would this imply that Boeing are banking luck on the 787-8 at the expense of seemingly equal -3 or -9 (and -10)?

Or is this "reason" simply an unfounded urban legend?

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I agree. I think the link with the Asian lucky number 8 is over hyped. Isn't number 4 unlucky in Asia, yet boeing sold plenty of 747-400s over there.
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:12 pm

So what happens when there are more customers than there are placeholders?
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 14):
I think Airbus pioneered this bogosity with the A380-800 -- why isn't it an A380-100?

As I recall, it is because the double deck fuselage has a "figure 8" look when viewed head-on in cutaway.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 21):
I agree. I think the link with the Asian lucky number 8 is over hyped. Isn't number 4 unlucky in Asia, yet Boeing sold plenty of 747-400s over there.

During my five years of dealing in Asia with older Chinese businessmen I found that numbers, dates & even the time of day was important when making deals, and signing papers. BUT what people on this site don't understand is that the "prime" number is important. Three is the best number, 8 is a great number for business (infinity on end),"may your business go on forever". 6&9 are also good, but 4 is death, to be avoided.

A number must be reduced to prime to be ranked, for example 747 equals 7+4+7= 18 =9 a good thing.
A 747-400 equals 9+4 = 13= 4, death! How about 787? = 22 = 4,death ! And 777 equals 21 = 3 great !
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 24):
A 747-400 equals 9+4 = 13= 4, death!

7+4+7 - 4 = 14.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 7):
Interesting!

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
So what are they going to do when they introduce the 787-10? Four-digit suffixes when the customer codes are included? That's kind of silly.

I don't know ... a 787-1038 sounds fine to me.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
787-1xx, I imagine.

So a QF 787-10 will be a 787-138.

That sounds sillier considering it's not a 100-series.

Or, maybe they'll just use the roman numeral for 10 and go with 787-X38? The three-character code for the -10 would likely be 78X
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 25):

No , you have to add them not subtract, the dash mark doesn't mean anything when doing a reduction to prime number.
A 380-800 equals 3+8+0+8 = 19 = 1 Maybe that means it's the largest passenger plane?
The 757-200 is 7+5+7+2 =21 = 3 A great number and plane.
But a 757-300 = 22 = 4, I guess maybe death of the series?
Of course 737 =17 = 8 Maybe the Chinese should build it instead of the 320 ?

Ok that's where I started.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:16 am

My guess (and this is very much just a guess) is that the -3 and the -8 models are the base models for the short-haul and long-haul versions of the jets. This would allow for shrinks (-1 & -2 for short-haul and -6 & -7 for long haul) as well as stretches (-4 & -5 for short-haul and -9 & -10 for long haul) from the base models of future jets.

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:45 am

I bet someone did an economic study quantifying how much money Boeing would save in dropping the two zeros. Lots of keystrokes, lots of bytes of storage and lots of ink were saved by this one simple decision!

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:59 pm

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 6):
Part of the reason for the nomenclature change was influenced by the Asian market. With "8" being considered a lucky symbol in those cultures, a slightly revised nomenclature was introduced based on that number.

As has been said, the number 4 is associated with death in Asian cultures, but that hasn't stopped the 747-400 from being operated by virtually every major Asian carrier. The 340 has also enjoyed a great deal of success in China.

I don't know why Boeing decided to go for 8 to begin with (or why Airbus decided to do it with the 380 or 350), but I seriously doubt it has to do with the preference of Asian carriers.

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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 28):
Ok that's where I started.

7+4+7+4= 18, not 13.
 
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RE: What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 32):
7+4+7+4= 18, not 13.

I guess we went to different schools , 11+11 = 22, and then 2+2= 4 ?

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