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Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:45 am

Since AM was proposing to start service in July at MSP, does anyone know if its official? AM did get DOT approval to serve MSP. I have heard that AM considers serving cities, but doesn't serve them for awhile. I sent an e-mail to the MSP website and asked if AM will serve MSP. They sent back a message saying the exact date hasn't been announced yet and they still don't know if AM will fly out of the Humphrey Terminal or Lindbergh Terminal (I would think the Lindbergh Terminal, but you never know). And will AM get an incentives if AM starts service at MSP?
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:56 am

Well checking out AM's website they list MSP as a destination to book, but the dates I select show no availability.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:01 am

I sent an e-mail to AM asking if AM was going to start service at MSP. They sent an e-mail back to me saying they would tell me when AM started service at MSP.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 1):
checking out AM's website they list MSP as a destination to book, but the dates I select show no availability.

I believe MSP appears as a bookable destination in AM's website because AM probably codeshares on DL flights to MSP from SLC or ATL. I would think that if AM and NW are to enter into a codeshare agreement, AM flying to DTW makes more sense than flying to MSP, but who knows... maybe they can operate regularly scheduled flights and rotate the same plane for charters to CUN or so.

Good luck to AM if they go ahead with this route.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I believe MSP appears as a bookable destination in AM's website because AM probably codeshares on DL flights to MSP from SLC or ATL

I think Eddie is correct, is the good old code-sharing thing again. I just don't see AM landing at MSP anytime soon.

If they ever launch MSP, they better keep their fares low, Sun Country has all the Mexican Beach resorts well covered, and they offer cheap fares.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
they ever launch MSP, they better keep their fares low, Sun Country has all the Mexican Beach resorts well covered, and they offer cheap fares.

If AM begins service at MSP, it won't be about taking Sven to the beach. It'll be about all the connecting feed NW can provide, and the higher yield business travellers that will be on the flight.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
It'll be about all the connecting feed NW can provide, and the higher yield business travellers that will be on the flight.

Which is why DTW makes more sense than MSP. I can think of lots of companies from Detroit and its surroundings with interests in Mexico... as for MSP, I can only think of 3M and St. Paul the insurance co. Many people speculated several years ago that AM or MX could start DTW-HMO (home of one of Ford's largest assembly plants, currently building the Fusion, the Milan and the MKZ) nonstop. In any case, I think DTW makes more sense than MSP.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:38 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Which is why DTW makes more sense than MSP.

But NW already offers DTW-MEX service. My guess is the first AM service at MSP will be to MEX to fill that gap. You'd think there'd be more Mexico service from DTW for the reasons you point out, but NW seems perfectly happy to sell seats on CO codeshares. Maybe once the 175s come online? That would be a good plane for some of those markets.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:30 am

AeroMexico applies for many new US routes every month in order to have the dormant route authority, for various reasons, including the ability to quickly start the route if needed in the future. AeroMexico will, in all likelyhood, not be flying to MSP anytime soon.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
as for MSP, I can only think of 3M and St. Paul the insurance co.

The Minneapolis/St Paul metro area has the world headquarters of many more huge companies:
Cargill (Largest privately-held company in America by revenue)
- and these Fortune 500 corporations:
UnitedHealth Group
Target
Best Buy
Travelers (which used to be The St. Paul insurance)
3M
SuperValu
US Bank
CHS (Cenex Harvest States)
Northwest Airlines
General Mills
Medtronic
Xcel Energy
Ameriprise Financial
Land O' Lakes
C.H. Robinson
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Mosaic
Ecolab
Nash-Finch

And in Detroit:
General Motors
Ford
Delphi
Lear
Pulte Homes
TRW Automotive Holdings
Masco
United Auto Group
Visteon
ArvinMeritor
DTE Energy
Federal-Mogul
Autoliv
Kelly Services
BorgWarner
Comerica

MSP does have a few more Fortune 500 firms, but the difference isn't that big. But for Detroit's metro having more people than that of Minneapolis, MSP certainly has more big corporations than Detroit.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):

Here is more companies in Minnesota:
Hutchinson Technology
Mayo Clinic
Digi-Key
Carlson Companies
Sappi
Polaris
RBC Dain Rauscher
Hormel
Piper Jaffray

I think there is enough demand for MSP-MEX.

[Edited 2007-07-17 21:47:28]
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):
And in Detroit:

I think you left out one very small, teenie weenie company called Daimler Chrysler.  Wink
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
If AM begins service at MSP, it won't be about taking Sven to the beach. It'll be about all the connecting feed NW can provide, and the higher yield business travellers that will be on the flight.

It will be connectors from NW and higher yield business travelers, plus vacationers. Its about every thing, but yes you are right, mostly business on this one.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):
MSP does have a few more Fortune 500 firms, but the difference isn't that big. But for Detroit's metro having more people than that of Minneapolis, MSP certainly has more big corporations than Detroit.

However, the nature of the companies located in DTW command a higher amount of international travel. The heavy emphasis on the automotive industry & related supplier commands a significant amount of traffic to Mexico, Asia, Western Europe, and to a lesser extent South America. Even the companies not headquartered in SE Michigan still have a large presence in the area (VW, Audi, Mitsubishi, and international suppliers).

MSP's industries, while many have international operations, are much more focused domestically.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7):
You'd think there'd be more Mexico service from DTW for the reasons you point out, but NW seems perfectly happy to sell seats on CO codeshares. Maybe once the 175s come online?

AM holds a route authority on DTW-HMO and I believe also on DTW-MEX too but has sat idle on them for several years too, just like the MSP-MEX, and there are a few others like PHL-MEX too. AM just grabs the route authorities to sit on them for a rainy day without any real intent of operating them in the near future.

I agree, NW appears to be content using the CO codeshare out of IAH to all the smaller Mexican industrial towns. Going in/out of MTY, it seems that at least 75% of the plane is connecting to/from DTW. There are always a ton of NW elites on these flights. The problem is that the cities are well over 1100+ miles away, thus falling into the long/thin type of route that no current aircraft in NW's fleet is optimized to serve. An E-175 on DTW-MTY is an outside possibility, but it could be difficult to fill up the aircraft consistantly through out the week. On Monday morning, sure no problem, but midweek and weekends, highly doubtful. I wouldn't expect NW to add much in the way of DTW-Mexico service, other than the seasonal beach market routes they fly.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
It will be connectors from NW and higher yield business travelers, plus vacationers. Its about every thing, but yes you are right, mostly business on this one.

There would be virtually no leisure traffic on a MSP-MEX route, or DTW-MEX route for that matter regardless of who operates it (AM/NW). The fact there there are already a ton of nonstops on on NW, SY-MSP, NK-DTW, plus various charters seasonally into many of the resorts eliminates the need to connect in Mexico. Even if a connection is needed, the CO codeshare through IAH is a much better option that having to go out of the way and/or backtrack through MEX.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):
Cargill (Largest privately-held company in America by revenue)
- and these Fortune 500 corporations:
UnitedHealth Group
Target
Best Buy
Travelers (which used to be The St. Paul insurance)
3M
SuperValu
US Bank
CHS (Cenex Harvest States)
Northwest Airlines
General Mills
Medtronic
Xcel Energy
Ameriprise Financial
Land O' Lakes
C.H. Robinson
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Mosaic
Ecolab
Nash-Finch



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 10):
Hutchinson Technology
Mayo Clinic
Digi-Key
Carlson Companies
Sappi
Polaris
RBC Dain Rauscher
Hormel
Piper Jaffray

With the exception of Cargill, St. Paul (Travelers) and 3M, how many of these have significant operations in Mexico? And by significant, I mean the ability to generate continuous travel of officers, employees and agents/advisors back and forth between Mexico and the Minn-St. Paul metro area?

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
MSP's industries, while many have international operations, are much more focused domestically.

See my point?
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):

Polaris exports and imports to markets all over the world
Sappi produces paper for customers in 100 countries
General Mills has 63 food production facilities worldwide
Digi-Key is a global distrubtor
Medtronic does business in more than 120 countries
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 15):
Polaris exports and imports to markets all over the world
Sappi produces paper for customers in 100 countries
General Mills has 63 food production facilities worldwide
Digi-Key is a global distrubtor
Medtronic does business in more than 120 countries

Okay, cool, thanks for the info (which I did not know) and good for them. But this translates into how many weekly passengers between MSP and MEX? 1, 5, 10? Or note even that? I mean, General Mills excluded (which I oversaw the first time and indeed counts), the other ones may not be too big in Mexico and may not generate constant travelers.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:08 pm

There is an ever-growing population of Mexican people in the MSP area, and the upper Midwest in general. I encounter many people who come from places in Mexico that are not typically tourist destinations, often in states surrounding Mexico City. For example, little did I know that there is an enclave of people here in Minneapolis from Morelos. While I don't know the exact population numbers, this could add some feed to a MSP-MEX flight. In general, I found on my last flight to MEX (from ATL) that quite a few people on that flight were connecting onward to points in Central and South America. I could see a direct MSP-MEX flight in some circumstances making flights to less-served points in Central and South America a one-stop service rather than two-stop.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 17):
There is an ever-growing population of Mexican people in the MSP area, and the upper Midwest in general. I encounter many people who come from places in Mexico that are not typically tourist destinations, often in states surrounding Mexico City. For example, little did I know that there is an enclave of people here in Minneapolis from Morelos. While I don't know the exact population numbers, this could add some feed to a MSP-MEX flight.

This is very true...however, how many of them has a passport and/or green card?
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):
The Minneapolis/St Paul metro area has the world headquarters of many more huge companies:
Cargill (Largest privately-held company in America by revenue)
- and these Fortune 500 corporations:
UnitedHealth Group
Target
Best Buy
Travelers (which used to be The St. Paul insurance)
3M
SuperValu
US Bank
CHS (Cenex Harvest States)
Northwest Airlines
General Mills
Medtronic
Xcel Energy
Ameriprise Financial
Land O' Lakes
C.H. Robinson
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Mosaic
Ecolab
Nash-Finch

And in Detroit:
General Motors
Ford
Delphi
Lear
Pulte Homes
TRW Automotive Holdings
Masco
United Auto Group
Visteon
ArvinMeritor
DTE Energy
Federal-Mogul
Autoliv
Kelly Services
BorgWarner
Comerica

MSP does have a few more Fortune 500 firms, but the difference isn't that big. But for Detroit's metro having more people than that of Minneapolis, MSP certainly has more big corporations than Detroit.



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 10):
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 9):

Here is more companies in Minnesota:
Hutchinson Technology
Mayo Clinic
Digi-Key
Carlson Companies
Sappi
Polaris
RBC Dain Rauscher
Hormel
Piper Jaffray

I think there is enough demand for MSP-MEX.

Having all of these Fortune 500 companies does not always translate into an airport having huge numbers. Yea, MSP has a lot of Fortune 500 companies, and is a hub for NW, but their European network is very poor when compared to other cities with less Fortune 500 companies based there.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:34 pm

Hi all!

I think if AM starts this route they will be going after the ethnic market, and since DTW has NW direct service and lots of options on MX, AM, AA, UA from ORD. The next obvious option would be MSP. There is a large hispanic population from Morelos and Puebla, both within 1 hour of MEX. Whether they have green cards or not is another issue (Although you'd be surprised how many people actually do) and is why AM's prices will probably be high since I'm sure the flight will be full southbound and less than full northbound. On the other hand this would be a great opportunity for AM to have access to the NW network via MSP (Midwest, Asia, some Europe). And promote this to the Mexican tourist.

I really hope to see this a reality since I live in MSP and I always have to connect to get to MEX, but who knows.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:19 am

Many tourists from MEX would probably fly to MSP to shop at the Mall of America. Its the same with tourists from NRT.
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 21):
Many tourists from MEX would probably fly to MSP to shop at the Mall of America. Its the same with tourists from NRT.

That is certainly correct. But still, a flight from MEX to such a northern city probably won't happen. The flights to DFW, ATL, LAX make better connections.
 
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Humphrey Terminal or Lindbergh Terminal

I would assume they would stay with their SkyTeam partners (NW, DL, CO) at the Lindbergh terminal.

I really hope AM starts MSP service soon.  pray  I've seen every airline currently serving MSP, and I'm dying to add more to that list. Big grin
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 21):
Many tourists from MEX would probablyrnfly to MSP to shop at the Mall of America. Its the same with touristsrnfrom NRT.

No, they do just fine at Miami's Aventura Mall and Houston's Galleria. They seriously aren't going to fly all the way to Minnesota to shop at a mall that is a glorified theme park, when the Galleria and Aventura offer more upscale stores and where retailers specifically cater to clients from Latin America
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RE: Am Starting Service At MSP Official?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
They seriously aren't going to fly all the way to Minnesota to shop at a mall that is a glorified theme park,

There's nothing special about the Mall of America...just more of the same stores, and a kids amusement park. Now I can see where peope from rural communities in the Midwest would want to pay a visit to the place, but certainly not from Latin America. If they were in MSP for business they'd probably visit....but it's doubtful they'd go there just for that reason.