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Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:14 am

Any DL mechanics out there that can help out with this one - has DL started to plug up the 737NG eyebrows?


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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:22 am

They woudnt be the first.....
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:28 am

I rather see winglets on the damn thing! Is DL the only US carrier without winglets on the 737-800?
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:34 am

I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...


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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 2):
Is DL the only US carrier without winglets on the 737-800?

DL will start installing winglets on 28 738s starting in late summer/early fall.
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 3):
I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...

may save weight??
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 2):
I rather see winglets on the damn thing!

You will see them soon. The first 737-800 will go into the shop after the summer skd ends.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 3):
I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...

Maintenance cost.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:40 am

Started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago after I saw the same aircraft at JFK.
Delta Getting Rid Of Eyebrows On 737 Fleet? (by AlitaliaMD11 Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:48 am

So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:53 am

Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.

Over time, CO will plug the eyebrow windows on all 737s. A few 737-800s have been completed, and all new-builds come without them.
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Thread starter):
Any DL mechanics out there that can help out with this one - has DL started to plug up the 737NG eyebrows?

Yes, we are plugging the eyebrow windows on our 738s for many of the reasons already cited.

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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:56 am

Also because much better navigation and anti collision aids means there is less requirement for the extra cockpit visibility which was their original purpose.
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:57 am

Why do they still build them with eyebrows? IIRC, those were used on the classics to be able to navigate using stars?

Aren't those windows an option?
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting Mayhem (Reply 13):
Why do they still build them with eyebrows? IIRC, those were used on the classics to be able to navigate using stars?

Aren't those windows an option?

Boeing stopped putting eyebrows in the 737 a few years back. It is not an option either.

According to the Boeing press release from 2005...."The design change reduces airplane weight by 20 pounds and eliminates approximately 300 hours of periodic inspections per airplane. Retrofit kits to cover eyebrow windows will be available mid-2006 for the in-service 737 fleet."



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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):

DL will start installing winglets on 28 738s starting in late summer/early fall.

These are the 737-800s that will get the Transcon IFE. Is that correct?
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:51 am

Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see. Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Mayhem (Reply 13):
Why do they still build them with eyebrows?

They don't. Starting with Boeing line number 1650 (our N201LV), all NGs come without the eyebrow windows...


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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16):
Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.

The space program has tried from the beginning to do just that, but the astronauts have always balked at the idea.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:01 pm

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 9):
So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:07 pm

Quoting EHRD (Reply 19):
Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 9):
So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


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Yes it can be done on Classics as well

what about the -100/200 versions?
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:06 am

As far as i am aware, Boeing makes the NG as of 2004 i believe WITHOUT the eyebrows ONLY?


Am i wrong?
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 20):
what about the -100/200 versions?

I would think that since these airframes are nearing the end since the youngest -200 is nearing 20 years old; The cost of the modification would probably outweigh the benefits of the lower maintenance costs for the time remaining on the airframe.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 20):
Yes it can be done on Classics as well

what about the -100/200 versions?

I believe the 100/200 series are also referred to as "classics".

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 21):
As far as i am aware, Boeing makes the NG as of 2004 i believe WITHOUT the eyebrows ONLY?

I don't know the exact date, but you are correct. No new 737's, military excluded, come with the eyebrow windows.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting 777gk (Reply 10):
Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.

Yes it is wonderful. Lower MX costs, cooler cockpit, and they were utterly worthless as windows to begin with.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 12):
Also because much better navigation and anti collision aids means there is less requirement for the extra cockpit visibility which was their original purpose.

Well they were there for maneuvering flight, particularly thought useful in circle-to-land approaches (they weren't). They were never a good feature, and Boeing and operators are wise to delete them.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16):
Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see.

You have never flown the 737, I see. These windows are utterly useless regardless of bank angle.
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 21):
As far as i am aware, Boeing makes the NG as of 2004 i believe WITHOUT the eyebrows ONLY?



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 17):


They don't. Starting with Boeing line number 1650 (our N201LV), all NGs come without the eyebrow windows...

We took delivery of N201LV in February 2005, and the decision on discontinuing the eyebrows came before that, so your 2004 date seems about right (probably when it was announced). AFAIK, there is no option to have the eyebrows anymore--they all come without them now.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
Boeing stopped putting eyebrows in the 737 a few years back. It is not an option either.

A similar move was done towards the latter 2 years or so of 717 production.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 23):
I believe the 100/200 series are also referred to as "classics".

Actually, I believe that term only apllies to the -300,-400,-500



So will winglet installation, eyebrow removal and repainting all happen to each aircraft at once? Talk about a makeover!

Or will I be able, and I;m hoping, that I will be able to see an aircraft with old scheme,with eyebrows an w/ winglets?

And what will DL put on he winglets, the widget or delta.com or something else?
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 27):
Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 23):
I believe the 100/200 series are also referred to as "classics".

Actually, I believe that term only apllies to the -300,-400,-500

You're probable right. Although I don't think it would make much dirrence as I don't believe there was a change in cockpit window design from the -100 series through the NG series up to the time they came with no eyebrow windows.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 27):
And what will DL put on he winglets, the widget or delta.com or something else?

dark blue as of right now, unless they decide to put the circum-widget on em'
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 29):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 27):
And what will DL put on he winglets, the widget or delta.com or something else?

dark blue as of right now, unless they decide to put the circum-widget on em'

Are you sure? An internal winglet safety document shows an artist's rendering of the 737-800 with winglets in the new shade of red. Looked sharp.

For the record, someone at Delta sent it to me. I am not a Delta employee.
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 9):
So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?

Yes. Air North has plugged the windows on at least 1 of their 2 732s. There's already at least 1 pic of it eyebrowless on a.net, but I'm too lazy today to look for it.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 27):
Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 23):
I believe the 100/200 series are also referred to as "classics".

Actually, I believe that term only apllies to the -300,-400,-500

All out of production 737 models are "classics". Y
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16):
Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see. Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.

Oh good grief. Calm down, skippy. It isn't that big a deal....
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 25):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 17):


They don't. Starting with Boeing line number 1650 (our N201LV), all NGs come without the eyebrow windows...

We took delivery of N201LV in February 2005, and the decision on discontinuing the eyebrows came before that, so your 2004 date seems about right (probably when it was announced). AFAIK, there is no option to have the eyebrows anymore--they all come without them now

Boeing item on the first 737 built without eyebrow windows, rolled out late January 2005.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 24):
You have never flown the 737, I see. These windows are utterly useless regardless of bank angle.

You are right there.....and I wouldn't fly one even if given the opportunity. The MD-80 series has the same eyebrow windows and more than once I have seen in-flight cockpit shots where the pilot flying is looking out of the eyebrow window while in bank. Perhaps he was simply checking his "look" in the reflection prior to landing?

Maybe you could enlighten me as to the reason why manufacturers would put two to four of these "utterly useless" windows into every airliner made prior to just recently? Did they have a bunch of extra glass lying about and needed a place to stick them?
 
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 30):
Are you sure? An internal winglet safety document shows an artist's rendering of the 737-800 with winglets in the new shade of red. Looked sharp.

For the record, someone at Delta sent it to me. I am not a Delta employee.

Could very well be. On the DLX planes they're blue and the thought was it would be rolled-out fleetwide, however may have changed. I think red would be nice.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:32 am

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 960 File size: 1011kb

Took this one just last friday. I don't know if it's already plugged in or just temporary glareshield or something. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that.
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RE: Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 36):
I don't know if it's already plugged in or just temporary glareshield or something

It's plugged.

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