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UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:42 am

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/air1jdg/Flyby1.jpg

The new UPS 747-400 has recently done a fly-by at SDF! For those of you here in town too, look for her in the sky somewhere near you soon!

Cheers,
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:00 am

I can't wait. A few questions... Will the new 744s be used on existing 741/742 routes, such as here to DFW? Have UPS announced intentions of replacing the 10 older frames, or are the new ones to be used for growth? If the older frames are staying, when will they come up for painting in the new scheme? Any info appreciated.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:07 am

That's an excellent shot!

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:08 am

Great shot!! Thanks for sharing.

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 1):
I can't wait. A few questions... Will the new 744s be used on existing 741/742 routes, such as here to DFW? Have UPS announced intentions of replacing the 10 older frames, or are the new ones to be used for growth? If the older frames are staying, when will they come up for painting in the new scheme? Any info appreciated.

From what I know the 744F will be used on larger international freight routes but maybe some proving on domestic routes. UPS plans on retiring the older frame, which is why they are not painted in the new scheme.

Cheers,
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:10 am

Wow, nice photo there of that 744 in clean configuration making the flyover. I wish I was able to go out there and see it.
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I did see the new 747-400F parked out on the ramp today with its nose door open, so maybe it'll fly a revenue flight this evening. The 747-400 sure looks outstanding in the relatively new UPS livery! bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
That's an excellent shot!



Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
Great shot!! Thanks for sharing.

I cannot take credit for the shot. A friend of mine here at UPS sent it to me. Someone from her office took it and sent it out.

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:11 am

The area below the nose looks like it's intentionally painted with an agape mouth.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 4):
UPS plans on retiring the older frame, which is why they are not painted in the new scheme.

Yep, unfortunately. They'll probably be out of the fleet by the end of next year, though they may hang on to them for the holiday rush for Christmas '08. The 747-400 looks great, but I'll definitely miss the old classics with their JT9Ds, man those things make an awesome noise on takeoff!
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:14 am

It's the UPS logo for when the nose is open I believe!

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:28 am

I've got a buddy who is a UPS 747 pilot, and he's transferring to the -400s... he anticipates being based in Anchorage, if that answers your question...
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:31 am

Great shot, even with KY Kingdom in the background! Big grin
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:39 am

That UPS logo does give it a cheesy kind of grin action, doesn't it? Kinda like  sly 

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
I've got a buddy who is a UPS 747 pilot, and he's transferring to the -400s... he anticipates being based in Anchorage, if that answers your question...

Yeah, I figured they'd be based there, I do wonder if any will be based in SDF though? I'm guessing the MD11 pilots are based in ANC as well as at least some of the 747 classic pilots. I wonder if any 744 pilots will be based here in SDF as since they're replacing the classics, they'll probably fly to DFW, ONT, and sometimes PHL in addition to the runs to Asia via ANC.

Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 11):
Great shot, even with KY Kingdom in the background!

Yep. That roller coaster and the giant wheel offer great spotting opportunities. That tower ride in the shot is currently closed (it drops you down 180 ft.) as a girl's feet were recently severed on it.

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 12):
That UPS logo does give it a cheesy kind of grin action, doesn't it? Kinda like

Wow, I never noticed that in pics until now, that does look a bit cheesy. Like someone mentioned, I guess its for when the nose is open.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:16 am

Excellent shot. More proof that the 744 is the most beautiful jetliner around.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:22 am

I'll pile on.....what a great photo! Thanks!
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:51 am

So when are they getting the 744BCFs? They are getting some correct? If so how many and from which former operators?
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting Mnik101 (Reply 16):
They are getting some correct?

Yes, I think from Eva Air of Taiwan and Cargolux is selling them a few for delivery in 2009?

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 5):
I did see the new 747-400F parked out on the ramp today with its nose door open, so maybe it'll fly a revenue flight this evening.

The aircraft won't fly revenue for several more weeks. Proving runs, flight training, maintenance training and ground training are all on the agenda for the 2 or 3 weeks.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:21 pm

Just curious...Has UPS comitted to any 747-8Fs or just to the 747-400Fs?
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:34 pm

i have a couple questions
1) what is that thing under the nose?
2) when they make a 744 a freighter do they shorten the upper deck?
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 20):
i have a couple questions
1) what is that thing under the nose?
2) when they make a 744 a freighter do they shorten the upper deck?

1) Looks like the UPS logo on the nose gear doors.
2) Yes
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:43 pm

Would that be Kings Island in the background or Six Flags?
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:46 pm

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 22):
Six Flags

Six Flags located on the Kentucky State Fairgrounds. King's Island is in the Cincinnati metro, ~125 miles Northeast up Interstate 71.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:46 pm

I was just checking flightaware.com and saw it made a flight up to Columbus (Rickenbacker) this morning, I wonder what its doing up there? Maybe just a proving flight?
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:06 pm

Yep i also just checked and its at rickenbocker right now i google eath it and she is sitting on the ramp i am very tempted to go down there and see how close i can get to it and a take a few pics.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:52 pm

When I saw it parked on the ramp at SDF from a distance, I thought I was looking at an SP. Must have been the livery. While the current UPS livery looks superb on most of their jets, it just isn't flattering on the 747.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:35 pm

Heard that in future after more frames are available, 1 will route PHL - EMA - CGN - PHL

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Flyingjeep (Reply 25):
Yep i also just checked and its at rickenbocker right now i google eath it and she is sitting on the ramp i am very tempted to go down there and see how close i can get to it and a take a few pics.

Though I don't doubt that it's sitting at Rickenbacker, that's not how Google Earth works...
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting 747fan (Reply 5):
Wow, nice photo there of that 744 in clean configuration making the flyover

That is low for no flaps being out, what's the story some of you pilots?

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:06 am

whoa! Anyone knows the speed of that clean configuration flyby? I guess would've been a fast one.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
I've got a buddy who is a UPS 747 pilot, and he's transferring to the -400s... he anticipates being based in Anchorage, if that answers your question...

UPS seems to be hiring quite a few 747 pilots... a coworker became fed up with piloting a desk and went up there with brown... (747 qualified).

Question: What are the 774F and 772F scheduled delivery dates? Thanks in advance.

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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:22 am

It was doing touch-and-go's at LCK this morning...looks SWEET!
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 21):
Quoting DL767captain (Reply 20):
i have a couple questions
1) what is that thing under the nose?
2) when they make a 744 a freighter do they shorten the upper deck?

1) Looks like the UPS logo on the nose gear doors.

It is actually the UPS logo on the bottom of the nose door. It can be seen clearly when the dose door is open. You can search other 747 cargo planes and see what it looks like when the nose is open and how the logo looks. Its a pretty cool place to stick a logo and looks great when open!
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 20):
when they make a 744 a freighter do they shorten the upper deck?



Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 21):
Yes

Not exactly. The 747-400 PAX simply has the stretched upper deck, while the -400F has the old 747-100/-200 upper deck. In short, the upper deck is not shortened for a factory built freighter, because its base fuselage design is almost completely identical to the original 747-200F.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 34):

Not exactly. The 747-400 PAX simply has the stretched upper deck, while the -400F has the old 747-100/-200 upper deck. In short, the upper deck is not shortened for a factory built freighter, because its base fuselage design is almost completely identical to the original 747-200F.

So When Airlines covert 744's to cargo use? (if they havent already) They will look different then the factory made 744Fs?  Smile




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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:54 am

A greta shot, thanks for sharing. It almost looks like the rides at the amusement park in the background are being blown over by the aircraft.
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):
So When Airlines covert 744's to cargo use? (if they havent already) They will look different then the factory made 744Fs?

Yes, the converted 744s do look different then the factory made 744Fs because they still have the streched upper deck (SUD), which by the way becomes a weight penalty.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 37):
Yes, the converted 744s do look different then the factory made 744Fs because they still have the streched upper deck (SUD), which by the way becomes a weight penalty.

True, though converted 744s have the upper deck flooring shortened and the bulkhead moved forward to regain some of the lost ceiling height on the main deck due to the stretched upper deck, even if externally the upper deck is "all there."
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting NA (Reply 14):
Excellent shot. More proof that the 744 is the most beautiful jetliner around.

Agreed, but the A340-500 is very nice too.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:46 am

First off....BEAUTIFUL SHOT!!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 34):
Not exactly. The 747-400 PAX simply has the stretched upper deck, while the -400F has the old 747-100/-200 upper deck. In short, the upper deck is not shortened for a factory built freighter, because its base fuselage design is almost completely identical to the original 747-200F.

Indeed, it is weight penalty to have the extended deck, but also, no freight hauler has routes long enough to warrant the upper deck for even two reserve crews, as the original hump can hold quite a few people in it.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 23):
Six Flags located on the Kentucky State Fairgrounds. King's Island is in the Cincinnati metro, ~125 miles Northeast up Interstate 71.

Definitely Six Flags (Kentucky Kingdom), been there before...perfect spot to ride some coasters and go plane spotting at the same time...hehe
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 40):
Indeed, it is weight penalty to have the extended deck, but also, no freight hauler has routes long enough to warrant the upper deck for even two reserve crews, as the original hump can hold quite a few people in it.

The hump does also have another perk: if it wasn't for the flightdeck being located on the upper deck, the nose cargo door wouldn't have been possible. So yes, while the upper deck can cause weight penalties in freighters (if it's a stretched upper deck), without it it would have been almost impossible to create the design for the nose cargo door, which made the 747 such an outstading heavy freighter, in the past and in years to come.

BTW: If I recall correctly, the 747-8F, while being a stretch of the 747 base fuselage design, will retain the original -200F upper deck, obviously to reduce any weight penalties and for the nose cargo door. So even on the 747-8F, the upper deck isn't shrunk per se, while the -8I does have a superstretched upper deck compared to the SUD on the -300 and -400.  Wink
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:25 am

The stretched upper deck also limits the height of the frieght in the main deck in addition to the weight penalty.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:16 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 42):
So even on the 747-8F, the upper deck isn't shrunk per se, while the -8I does have a superstretched upper deck compared to the SUD on the -300 and -400

FYI: There were also 14 Boeing 747-100B/-200B aircraft that were either built with a stretched upper deck or where the SUD was added later on, including two 747-2B3B(M) (SUD) for UTA (they were later absorbed by Air France), two 747SR-146B (SUD) for JAL and ten 747-206B (SUD) for KLM. Some of these have already been converted to freighters (although a few were already built as combis). In fact, I keep seeing one of the ex-KLM ex-Martinair 747-206B (SF) (SUD) aircraft that is now operated by Southern Air in Miami almost every day lately. The SUD on that one is definitely a weight penalty.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 44):
In fact, I keep seeing one of the ex-KLM ex-Martinair 747-206B (SF) (SUD) aircraft that is now operated by Southern Air in Miami almost every day lately. The SUD on that one is definitely a weight penalty.

True. I believe this was one of the reasons why Boeing had a hard time selling the 747-300. AFAIK The SUD conversion doesn't include an MTOW upgrade to at least maintain standard 747-200B range, and the -300 may still have had a somewhat limited range because the additional weight of the SUD wasn't compensated there either. It wasn't until the -400 in which the additional weight of the SUD was compensated.
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:32 am

Great shot any chance of seeing it Australia?
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:49 am

I finally got to see N570UP up close and personal a few nights ago. She was sitting on Ramp 9 at SDF, and my crew was lucky enough to be assigned to unload several aircraft adjacent to her. She looked gorgeous under the nighttime ramp lights. It was very exciting for me to see the new colors on a brand spanking new 747-400. I can't wait until she starts revenue flights and I get to unload her.
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 47):
I can't wait until she starts revenue flights and I get to unload her.

I can't wait until I get to see the first revenue flight takeoff!!:D
I've seen her parked out on the ramp a few times. I haven't seen it the past few days though, I think its still up at RCK. Last week I saw it sitting out on the ramp with the nose door open and facing parallel to the Grade Ln. - it looked great in that newish livery!
 
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RE: UPS 747-400F In The Air....

Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 35):

So When Airlines covert 744's to cargo use? (if they havent already) They will look different then the factory made 744Fs?

Yes Shannon. They are called BCF. I know there a lot of pics of these 744F lying around.

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