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One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:12 am

Hey all,

Just on the news, but one of Aerorepublica's newest E195 just ended in a beach after overshooting the runway in Santa Marta (Colombia). Seems that crappy weather, and a really way runway, were thw causes. Six pax suffred minor injuries and it seems the plane stopped 50 meters out of the runway.

Hopefully everyone is fine, and lets see if the plane will make it OK.



Link in spanish only:

http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/carib...ULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3642962.html


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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:15 am

Can anyone in Colombia take pictures of this plane sitting at the beach?.............glad to hear nothing serious with the passengers and crew.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting 777jaah (Thread starter):
Hopefully everyone is fine, and lets see if the plane will make it OK.

I am afraid the aircraft is not OK the report on the link provided says that the fuselage is separated.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 2):
I am afraid the aircraft is not OK

That bit was added after i posted it.

It might become a really young w/o record for a E190.  



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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
It might become a really young w/o record for a E195.

True. I'll be satisfied if it keeps its "no casualties" record for a long time, though.
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:22 am

hey

my best friend was at the airport at the time of the accident, he saw the approach of the plane, and he says(he is an aviation enthusiast so he knows what hes talking about) that the pilot came too fast, apparently he says that there was a tailwind of about 14 to 16 knots and the circular procedure in SMR was not able due weather, the pilot then pushed the nose down and the aircraft touched the ground whit the nose wheel first, then he saw that the plane didn't stop and then all the emergency cars went to the end of the runway, my friend went out of the terminal and he run to the crash site,when he arrived he was 15 mts. away, he saw when people were evacuating, he also said that the right engine is completely ripped off the wing therefore the wing is completely damage.

He called me and narrated all the things that were happening by the time, the plane even crossed a main street that connects Simon Bolivar airport with the city of Santa Marta.

My friend send to me a couple of pics he took with his cell phone and he at the time had a very good camera whit him, so we will see some good pics of the accident soon, I'll try to upload the pics that i have in my cell to the PC right now and then to the site. When my friend arrive here at bog I'll immediately upload the pics.

Hope these helps obviously nothing official these is just and aviation enthusiast eyewitness.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:11 am

I just saw it on the news... the nose looks really bad and the left engine is also in the sea water.
Reg: HK 4455 surely will be w/o.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:25 am

Here´s a picture of the plane...sad:




Taken from www.eltiempo.com.co

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:34 am

Also here. First ocurrence with an E-190?

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL71976-5602,00.html
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:35 am

I flew on that exact same plane two weeks ago from Panama City to Medellin. Kind of creepy.

The runway in Santa Marta is so short you just can't believe stuff like this doesn't happen more often.



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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting Loalq (Reply 9):
Also here. First ocurrence with an E-190?

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0....html

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 8):
Not that bad but hopefully it wont be a W/O

Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Mart

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Considering this is a relatively new aircraft there is a distinct possibility it will be repaired and returned to service. Why do I say this ... does anyone remember hearing about the DC-8 that wouldn't die ... the Japan Air Lines DC-8 that overran a runway in IIRC SFO and was repaired and flew for UA for years. There was an article/thread a while ago but I can't find it anymore.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
I flew on that exact same plane two weeks ago from Panama City to Medellin. Kind of creepy.

Hi Southa, I was thinking the same...I flew on the very exact plane last May BOG-MDE.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Mart

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:02 am

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 5):
my best friend was at the airport at the time of the accident, he saw the approach of the plane, and he says(he is an aviation enthusiast so he knows what hes talking about) that the pilot came too fast,

no offense, but unless your friend was in the cockpit, i doubt he can tell if the plane was coming in 'too fast'. He also said the engine was completely torn off, but the pictures show otherwise.

Glad everyone is ok.

So because it was submerged, or part of it, will it be a write off? Is there lots of electronics located underneath the cockpit?
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 13):
Why do I say this ...

Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away. The difference between the DC-8 and this case are VERY different. DC-8's are built like a tank and will take quite a beating.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away.

The difference between hightide and lowtide in that part of the Caribbean is 2ft or less. Had that aircraft landed in the Pacific, half of it would be underwater by hightide.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:16 am

It looks tweaked, also tides at that part of the earth are minimal.

There wil be a lot of damage done when they try to get it out of the sand. By the time it settles in, it will be like lifting it out of cement. I really doubt if there is any heavy metal in Sta. Marta that can lift it. But then I may be worng, I was there in 93.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Da man (Reply 13):
does anyone remember hearing about the DC-8 that wouldn't die ... the Japan Air Lines DC-8 that overran a runway in IIRC SFO and was repaired and flew for UA for years.

The reference you want (from this site) is here: http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=1

The DC-8 didn't overrun... the JAL pilots actually undershot the runway. And there was very little structural damage to the aircraft, as it so happened. Even so, the repair bill was quite significant by the standards of the day.
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away. The difference between the DC-8 and this case are VERY different. DC-8's are built like a tank and will take quite a beating.

I'm not so sure about the tides there. If you look in the extreme foreground, it's clear that the wave has just gone out, with a difference of only a couple feet between the tide line and the last wave. That's not much distance vertically, hence not too much water depth. However, the comment on the DC-8 is right on, and I'd add that plowing through a row of bollards, followed by the rocky slope and a sudden deceleration probably didn't help much either. Also notice in the pics that it appears the rear fuselage is resting on the ledge, which means it's probably bearing some weight, and also suggests that the length of the fuselage may have dragged on it. There's a lot of possible damage there, and it all adds up in terms of whether to salvage or part out (and remember, as a new plane, the parts would sell pretty well).
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:55 am

What a sad day for Brazil !

One overshoots (at least without major injuries or victims) with an Embraer 195, and a worst case... the JJ A320 in CGH.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:57 pm

Well, if i´m not wrong, there was a widebody kinda recently that went right onto the pacific maybe in PPT or LAX and it is still flying....I could swear i saw a picture somewhere

Anyway, it must be really frustrating to buy a plane and loose it like that after 5 months of flying...but there doesn´t seem to be a lot of damage, the fuselage didn´t separate and the engines weren´t destroyed.
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
Well, if i´m not wrong, there was a widebody kinda recently that went right onto the pacific maybe in PPT or LAX and it is still flying....I could swear i saw a picture somewhere

I saw that too, I think it was an AF 747.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Mart

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:08 pm

Scary! I'm sure that aircraft can be repaired. The WN plane that ran off the runway at MDW I think had more damage than this E-190.

Glad everyone made it out safe.
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:11 pm

ok 2 Accidents in only one day, come on!!! what happened? pretty wear and the 2 cases are wet runways and the planes going out!!!

the 2 accidents here in south America... Really incredible!!! but well at least in Colombia no dead people just better news for this sad day for Brazilians!!
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 25):
ok 2 Accidents in only one day, come on!!! what happened? pretty wear and the 2 cases are wet runways and the planes going out!!!

the 2 accidents here in south America... Really incredible!!! but well at least in Colombia no dead people just better news for this sad day for Brazilians!!

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:22 pm

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 25):
ok 2 Accidents in only one day, come on!!! what happened? pretty wear and the 2 cases are wet runways and the planes going out!!!

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 24):
Scary! I'm sure that aircraft can be repaired. The WN plane that ran off the runway at MDW I think had more damage than this E-190

Can't repair a a plane that has been subjected to saltwater, even if it was flyable again.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 28):
Can't repair a a plane that has been subjected to saltwater, even if it was flyable again.

I would steer you to this:
http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=1
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Mart

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting Da man (Reply 13):
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Considering this is a relatively new aircraft there is a distinct possibility it will be repaired and returned to service. Why do I say this ... does anyone remember hearing about the DC-8 that wouldn't die ... the Japan Air Lines DC-8 that overran a runway in IIRC SFO and was repaired and flew for UA for years. There was an article/thread a while ago but I can't find it anymore.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........

I bet the only things that can be salvaged are engine 2, the APU and any equipment located towards the back. When you are in the drink, salt water does wonders to the structure. Almost every aircraft that has come into contact with sea water has been written off.

The Japan Air was a special case. It was a decision by the Japan Air management to fix it at all cost to preserve "face". Almost everything was replaced and in effect it came back a new aircraft. The final bill including lost revenue was as expensive as buying a new aircraft. You are right in that it is fixable but will it actually be fixed is another matter. Accountants run today's companies. You won't ever see this kind of thing happen again.

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........

awe it's just dipping it's toes in barely!  Big grin
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:04 pm

I definately think this will be a write off. If it is it will be the first E Jet write off and one of the newest ones as well.

Thank God all are ok, two fatal accidents in one day would have been horrible, I guess it is true that accidents happen in threes, lets hope there isnt a third one.

Sad day for South American aviation.

I am sure that July 2007 is a month CM will gladly forget, first their stock gets downgraded and takes a huge dive, they have trouble with their frequency realignment and costs and on time is down and now the will probably loose a brand new Ejet.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:12 pm

Hey.

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 15):
no offense, but unless your friend was in the cockpit, i doubt he can tell if the plane was coming in 'too fast'.

don't worry, you might be right but you don't need to be an expert to know when a plane is doing a high and fast landing, besides his dad is an active pilot of an executive jet and retired from AV 26.000 flight hours...come on ! he must know what his talking about besides he flew all kind of AV jets to SMR(Santa Marta) so...

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 15):
He also said the engine was completely torn off, but the pictures show otherwise.



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
engines weren´t destroyed.

yup you're right i said the right engine, sorry for that instead is the left engine, as you said is not completely torn off but what he means is that all the crankshaft that supports the engine is seriously damage, and if you look closer(thats for you too RCS763av) you will see that the left engine is seriously damage with constant water going in and out of the engine. Also my friend told me that there was a strong smell of JET-A1 and spread in the sea so i imagine that there were either a leak in the wings or by the broken engine.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
...but there doesn´t seem to be a lot of damage, the fuselage didn't separate

Indeed, the fuselage didn't separate, but if you look closely in the pics of reply 7 and 8 you will se that right below the cockpit window theres lots of damage done to the airframe.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 24):
Scary! I'm sure that aircraft can be repaired.

In my personal opinion these bird will hardly cross the skies again.

Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 28):
Can't repair a a plane that has been subjected to saltwater, even if it was flyable again.

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The important thing here is that theres no fatalities or serious injuries.... in the other side sorry for the people who died in the JJ accident and hope they R.I.P


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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 5):
the aircraft touched the ground whit the nose wheel first,

If an airplane touches down with the nose gear first, right then and there everything starts to go downhill, and that alone can cause a severe situation. Wether there's a crosswind, tailwind, calm winds, too fast, or right on speed, or whatever the case might, you touch down with the nose gear first, and all bets are off. Anything can happen...

It appears there's no casualties, glad to see that

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:47 pm

Quoting Bongo (Reply 11):
For lazy people:

It seems that the aircraft ran over a seaside promenade, right?
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:51 pm

what is the Maximum Tailwind speed for the ERJ195
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting Snaiks (Reply 36):
what is the Maximum Tailwind speed for the ERJ195

Not sure about the manufacturer's recommended Max tailwind component, but most companies have their own tailwind limits, usually more conservative than the airplane maker. For many if not most companies its 10 knots on the tail.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:40 pm

a PIC I found on the internet:


And a video on CNN-Español:

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Da man (Reply 23):
I saw that too, I think it was an AF 747.

It was at PPT.

For those who are familiar with the airline, please enlighten me on who they are.

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:55 pm

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...tory/0,25197,22093951-1702,00.html

NINE people have been injured after a Colombian plane with 54 people on board skidded off the runway on landing and slammed nose-first into the sea in the Caribbean coastal city of Santa Marta, local officials said.

The Aerorepublica airliner broke through the fence at the end of the runway at Simon Bolivar airport after landing in driving rain, airport officials said.

The passengers were evacuated via emergency chutes at the front of the plane, they said.

Nine people were slightly injured in the accident, they said.

One of the passengers, Antonio Jose Valencia told RCN radio that the accident happened on the second landing attempt, when the plane touched down mid-way down the runway.

"The runway was wet, and with all that wind the plane could not stop and went straight before turning on its side with its nose ending up in the water,'' he added.

The plane with a crew of five took off earlier from Cali, 500 kilometers (310 miles) southeast of Bogota. Santa Marta is located 950 kilometers (590 miles) north of Bogota.
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:14 pm

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
Well, if i´m not wrong, there was a widebody kinda recently that went right onto the pacific maybe in PPT or LAX and it is still flying....I could swear i saw a picture somewhere



Quoting Da man (Reply 23):
I saw that too, I think it was an AF 747.



Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 28):
Can't repair a a plane that has been subjected to saltwater, even if it was flyable again.

If so, how do you explain this ?

http://f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c10b70...__sr_/f4f1re2.jpg?phYwhnGBz0sUFQ.Y
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Air France B747-400 F-GITA, operating AF070 from LAX and CDG is approaching PPT.
While landing in poor weather on Runway 22 at Tahiti's FAAA International Airport, the crew lost control, after the engine N°1 went full thrust while the 3 other engines went on full Reverse. The aircraft hydroplaned into the Pacific Ocean on the west side of the runway.

Though badly damaged, the aircraft was repaired and is still flying for AF.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:08 pm

I went to bed thinking how bad this would be for the pilots, now I realize that they and the passengers were lucky.


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Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 42):
Air France B747-400 F-GITA, operating AF070 from LAX and CDG is approaching PPT.
While landing in poor weather on Runway 22 at Tahiti's FAAA International Airport, the crew lost control, after the engine N�1 went full thrust while the 3 other engines went on full Reverse. The aircraft hydroplaned into the Pacific Ocean on the west side of the runway.

Exactly, that was the case. And the plane went right onto the sea. This E190 has high chances of flying again.
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Mart

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:39 am

The tail logo has been painted over...another sign that it could be W/O


At least everyone is OK

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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 44):
Exactly, that was the case. And the plane went right onto the sea. This E190 has high chances of flying again.

Yes but look at the structural damage in the nose, it is crushed in, the tail has been painted, they wouldnt do that if they plan to repair the plane, becouse the rudder would have to be re calibrated.

Also there were reports of smell of Jet A wich could indicate damage to the wing.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:57 am

The tail could have been painted to obscure the name of the company (deidentify) the plane to try minimize the bad press. The has happened in a number of cases in the past
 
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 46):
Yes but look at the structural damage in the nose, it is crushed in, the tail has been painted, they wouldnt do that if they plan to repair the plane, becouse the rudder would have to be re calibrated.

Also there were reports of smell of Jet A wich could indicate damage to the wing.

That's a pity, such a new plane, but well, one should only think in the amount of casualties: ZERO.
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:06 am

Ok, this might be irrelverent, but has anyone noticed that the spoilers are not in the up position?? Now this could be for many reasons, however it could also be a sign that they were never deployed on the landing, which could be a leading contributor to the reason why the plane could not stop in time. Anyway, just an observation, thats all!!!
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RE: One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta

Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 49):
Ok, this might be irrelverent, but has anyone noticed that the spoilers are not in the up position?? Now this could be for many reasons, however it could also be a sign that they were never deployed on the landing, which could be a leading contributor to the reason why the plane could not stop in time. Anyway, just an observation, thats all!!!

Power was shut down on the engines after the accident, this would lower the spoilers becouse they do need power to stay up.

Same thing happened when the AF A340 went off the RWY in Canada, everybody talked about the spoilers untill it was explained that it was due to the loss of power.
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