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TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:19 am

Just from the news .. O GLOBO reports a TAM plane crashed in CGH after overshooting the runway.

Waiting more info. Firemans working...

This afternoon another fire.. on SDU new terminal ... sad day

Nightmare... just some weeks after Infraero release the runway without the right grooving procedures.


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[Edited 2007-07-18 00:20:46]

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:24 am

The plane is a F100.
According to the first informations,it skidded off the wet runway.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:28 am

Media is saying the aircraft overshot the runway on landing. Could be a failed RTO, media would not know the difference at this point. It is not raining at the moment.

Flight number has not been released but it is a TAM tail sticking out of the warehouse (a TAM Express warehouse, no less). A320 series aircraft.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:30 am

That is the PR-MBK or MBC. It ran out runway 35L and crashed into the gas station.
Now they are saying on tv that was the JJ3018 (CWB-CGH) and had 170 pax on board.

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:31 am

Seems to be MBK, one A320 (corrected)

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 2):
A320 series aircraft.

OGLOBO initially talked about a F100. Now they they talk about a plane carrying 170 passengers ... so definately not a F100.

"Avião derrapa na pista de Congonhas e provoca incêndio no hangar da TAMAeronave que vinha de Porto Alegre com 170 passageiros estava em procedimento de pouso no aeroporto de São Paulo. Bombeiros estão no local e tentam conter o fogo"
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
OGLOBO initially talked about a F100

Tail was visible on TV, definitely not a F100.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:39 am

Definately not a good day for one of my favorite airlines, RIP to anyone who perished
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:39 am

Flight 5018 from Porto Alegre
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:47 am

The runways at CGH were recently resurfaced, one analyst on TV is saying that the new surfaces are not grooved and therefore don't have drainage capacity. He is calling it gross negligence by INFRAERO, the government owned monopoly of airport infrastructure.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:49 am

What is wrong with Brasilian aviation? Brasilian aviation used to be the envy of Latin America. Just yesterday an ATR-42 skidded off the same runway. The runway where this happened has been newly resurfaced and was delivered into service without proper groovings to aid in braking. How is this possible? What kind of banana republic is this turning into? What is going on? Somebody's head needs to roll. This accident, like the GOL - EMBRAER collision last year, are completely needless. This is absolutely not acceptable.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:52 am

Media says now it was flt 3054... Can anyone pull out the schedule??
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:53 am

Definitely a sad day in Brazil [and around the world].

Unfortunately can't find more info in the net.  Sad
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 8):
Flight 5018 from Porto Alegre

5xxx is not a flight code for Tam. All their domestic flights begin with 3xxx.

Hope we can hear no fatalities.

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 9):
He is calling it gross negligence by INFRAERO, the government owned monopoly of airport infrastructure.

Agree 100%, they waste money with Aeroshopping.. now people waste (i wish not) their lives... and this is something we discuss in here several times.

Quoting 777Daedalus (Reply 10):
Just yesterday an ATR-42 skidded off the same runway

The press has warned about the risks of CGH several times, and it's become the nations hub. Now that something happen unfortunately people will understand that São Paulo is over congested and it's a clear risk to keep operations there. GRU TPS3 now and transfer connection flights immediately to VCP, CNF and GIG for our safety !

Some people complain against the judge that closed CGH.... now what ? The government of Brazil is a shame, need to waste lives in order to take the right attitude.

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:57 am

Quoting 777Daedalus (Reply 10):
What is wrong with Brazilian aviation?

Too much government beaurocracy, no accountability.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:58 am

If it was MBK then this would be an very interesting photo !


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Here is hoping for 170 surviviors !

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:59 am

 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:01 am

According to Argentine tv first reports (not official though) say no survivors  Sad
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:01 am

A picture from O GLOBO:

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Link
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:02 am

TAM has provided to families and friends a toll free number for information: 0800-11 79 00

My best thoughts and prays to all involved. One more sad sad day for brazilian aviation, is this going to end?!
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:05 am

According to the online itinerary, the afternoon flight from PGP is 3054.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting 777Daedalus (Reply 10):
What is wrong with Brasilian aviation? Brasilian aviation used to be the envy of Latin America. Just yesterday an ATR-42 skidded off the same runway. The runway where this happened has been newly resurfaced and was delivered into service without proper groovings to aid in braking. How is this possible? What kind of banana republic is this turning into? What is going on? Somebody's head needs to roll. This accident, like the GOL - EMBRAER collision last year, are completely needless. This is absolutely not acceptable

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Another sad day for aviation..
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:07 am

First victim just rescued, unfortunately already dead  Sad

May his (her) sould R.I.P.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:07 am

Accordingly to O GLOBO:

SÃO PAULO - Informações preliminares do Corpo de Bombeiros afirmam que vítimas estão sendo retiradas do avião da TAM que caiu em Congonhas nesta noite. Elas devem ser encaminhadas para os hospitais São Paulo e Jabaquara que estão mais próximos do local do acidente. O Corpo de Bombeiros deve montar um posto médico avançado no local para dar os primeiros socorros às vítimas.

Preliminary info from Fireman's says victims are being removed from TAM plane that crashed CGH runway this night. They should be taken to São Paulo and Jabaquara hospitals which are closer from the accident site. Fireman will organize a First Aid Medical Facility on the site.

Hope they are right... looking for the right is hard to believe there are survivals.

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:08 am

"

SAO PAULO, Brazil -- A plane carrying at least 150 people crashed into a gas station after landing at Sao Paulo's airport Tuesday, Brazil's airport authority said.

The TAM airline's Airbus-320 skidded off the road and crashed into the gas station outside Congonhas airport, said Jose Leonardi Mota, a spokesman with airport authority Infraero.

Mota said the flight originated in the southern city of Porto Alegre.

There were no immediate reports on injuries or deaths....


"

http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news...tmi=hon_natlbreak_1_05590307172007
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:08 am

174 people on board apparently. This reminds me of the other TAM crash in the 90's deoarting CGH .... this is another sad day  Sad
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:09 am

Some photos from a long distance away are already posted on flickr.com:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marianamarinovic/

These don't show the actual accident, just the glow from the fire from across Sao Paulo. Sorry to hear of the tragedy in Brazil today.  Sad
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:09 am

O Globo confirms JJ 3054, an A320.

I'll reserve my comments about this government after more info is released.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:11 am

 Sad

Hope there are survivors
Another sad day in the world of aviation
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:13 am

Newsman just said that the aircraft was attempting to take off, after realizing that he would not be able to stop. I wouldn't put too much stock in that though.

The correct flight number seems to be JJ3054 as Cmtehori said.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:14 am

Unfortunately, these images are not hope giving at all: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:17 am

Official Press Release from TAM

A aeronave da TAM Airbus A320, vôo JJ 3054, que partiu de Porto Alegre, às 17h16, com destino ao aeroporto de Congonhas (SP), sofreu acidente no pouso no aeroporto em São Paulo.

Neste momento não podemos determinar a extensão dos danos ou de possíveis lesões sofridas pelos ocupantes do avião, passageiros e tripulantes. Uma equipe da TAM já está no local e outros técnicos da companhia estão a caminho. A assistência de emergência também está sendo prestada pelo Corpo de Bombeiros, Infraero e outras autoridades aeronáuticas.

A TAM já ativou seu Programa de Assistência às Vítimas e Familiares e disponibilizou um número de chamadas gratuitas voltado para o atendimento aos familiares dos passageiros e tripulantes deste vôo: 0800 117900.

Qualquer outra informação relevante será comunicada imediatamente pela TAM".


English free translation.


"The TAM aircraft A320, flight JJ3054, which departed from Porto Alegre at 17h16 with destination to Congonhas (SP), suffer an accident during landing on São Paulo Airport.

At this moment, we can't determine the extension of damage or possible lesions suffered by plane passengers and crew. A TAM team in on the site and other corporate technicals in on their way. Emergency Assistance is being provided by Fireman's, Infraero and other Aeronautical Authorities.

TAM activate their Victims and Family Assistance Program and provided a tool-free number in order to assist passengers and crew family members of this flight: 0800 117900

Any other further relevant information will be immediately provided by TAM"
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 29):
The correct flight number seems to be JJ3054 as Cmtehori said.

It is, just called JJ ops the only thing the wanted to tell me is that it was JJ3054 PT-MBK. You know what is really bizarre?

TAM 402 (is that right?) that crashed in 1996 after take-off in CGH was a F-100 PT-MRK.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:19 am

Two survivors apparently already rescued according to TV reports ... let's hope for more!
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:20 am

Wow, it sounds like there are no survivors, which is really a shame, considering the fact that it's a mere runway overrun.

My condolences to the families, and I do hope that Brazilian aviation can get straightened out in the near future.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:22 am

Sadly it falls on the same day that TWA 800 crashed 11 years ago.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:23 am

Eight passengers are curently being taken care of in nearby hospitals, according to Globonews.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:25 am

Just saw on TV close up of TAil and it is PR-MBK A320 it looks like there are no survivors as the rescue service ambulances none have left the scene as yet that seems ominous. God rets thier souls.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:25 am

The worst... the building can collapse...
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 34):
Wow, it sounds like there are no survivors, which is really a shame, considering the fact that it's a mere runway overrun.

CGH is like an aircraft carrier where the sea is the city. At the end of the runways there's nowhere to go except down the embankment towards the buildings/houses. Check on Google Maps.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 33):
Two survivors apparently already rescued according to TV reports ... let's hope for more!

Seems they are workers of the TAM building.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:27 am

Looks real bad  



R.I.P and I pray that there are survivors, I really hope to hear better news.

Tomas.

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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:30 am


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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:30 am

Oh dear, doesn't look good...
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:30 am

I am in Sao Paulo today, can see the crash site from the window. Fires have been immense. My condolences to the victims  Sad
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:37 am

Sad day today, thoughts and prayers with the family

Just a question tho? Was this aircraft landing on the shorter of the two runways? It seems to me that even the longer runway seems quite tight for landings in the rain. Reports say the the Aircraft burst into flames after hitting a gas station? can that be confirmed?
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 39):
CGH is like an aircraft carrier where the sea is the city. At the end of the runways there's nowhere to go except down the embankment towards the buildings/houses.

Yes indeed. That is the price to pay for downtown airports with no room for mishaps. Everybody loves convenience but there is a price to pay for safety. Almost nobody pays that price but some who do pay with their lives. The airport infrastructure of Sao Paulo is just absurd. I hope this event really triggers two things. One is a humongous lawsuit against Infraero. Infraero has been negligent for actions (or lack of) over the years. It has done a good job in mid-size Brazilian cities with lots of airport improvements, to the detriment of Sao Paulo. The second is a series of improvement actions. GRU needs to be expanded to take back a larger share of the domestic traffic. It needs the third runway and many more gates. Some of the housing around GRU needs to be bought out and turned to airport property or buffer. Then there needs to be incentives to develop a beltway of secondary airports around the metro area of Sao Paulo in Campinas, Sao Jose', Sorocaba and Santos.
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:40 am

Eight survivors have been rescued so far according to MSNBC.
 
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:41 am

SAD! SAD!

Brazilian Authorities are to be blamed, no doubt about it.

It´s something that was going to happen, sooner or later. My prayers to all the families of those involved in the accident!

Another sad day in the Brazilian aviation history!
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RE: TAM Plane Crashed In CGH

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:41 am

I also heard on MSNBC that the runway did not yet have the rain groves in it, which help clear rain water and increase traction. Interesting facts. Still too early to say if all of this is true or not. But nonetheless, it is tragic.