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First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:08 pm

N703TW is parked in a paint bay at the TOC. No winglets - yet.......
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Thread starter):
N703TW is parked in a paint bay at the TOC. No winglets - yet.......

Is this one of the 752's that was in the desert?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Thread starter):
N703TW is parked in a paint bay at the TOC. No winglets - yet.......

is it in DL or AA paint? any pics?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Is this one of the 752's that was in the desert?

I would think that none are coming from the desert. Aren't they txfrd to DL from the line of flying?
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:56 pm

It should be in the new DL livery soon!
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:02 pm

While most of these 752s will be used for JFK-Europe, what are the chances of seeing a SLC-LAX-KOA route by sometime next year once these get up to 180 minute ETOPs?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
is it in DL or AA paint? any pics?

AA bare metal - the red stripe had been painted blue to make it a little less obvious - no titles - just the reg nbr

I'll try to get some pics when I get to the airport this afternoon.
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Is this one of the 752's that was in the desert?

Came from AA maintenace in Ft. Worth. The first 752 flew from Ft. Worth to Lake City, FL on Monday. So DL has the first two 752's from AA in their possession. I don't know what kind of work will be done in Lake City, but DL and UA both have work done at that airport.

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Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 6):

AA bare metal - the red stripe had been painted blue to make it a little less obvious

That's the fictitous Columbia Airlines scheme from Airport 75!
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:50 am

How old is this bird?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
How old is this bird?

The aircraft is N703TW, made in 1996.
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
How old is this bird?

It was built in 11/1996.


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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
what are the chances of seeing a SLC-LAX-KOA route by sometime next year once these get up to 180 minute ETOPs?

I still believe these 757s are JFK based. So, what sense does it make for DL to scatter them around the system for west coast flying?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 13):
I still believe these 757s are JFK based. So, what sense does it make for DL to scatter them around the system for west coast flying?

aircraft at Delta are not based anywhere. Crews have bases....aircraft do not. They are used where they are needed, and may or may not go back to the same airport on a regular basis.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 14):

aircraft at Delta are not based anywhere. Crews have bases....aircraft do not. They are used where they are needed, and may or may not go back to the same airport on a regular basis.

Your point is understood......but: the ex-TW/AA 752s that are being added to the DL fleet will be (1) ETOPS qualified unlike DL's existing 757 fleet and (2) equipped with a BizElite style premium cabin. Thus, the ex-TW/AA airplanes will be a unique subfleet at DL.

I asked a similiar question a few weeks ago.....after DL has received the 10 (or 13, depending upon who you ask) ex-TW/AA 752s, will their missions be primarily JFK-Europe with an occassional turn to ATL for maintainance visits, or will this subfleet fly a variety of missions, say a transcon or JFK-Florida turn inbetween flights to/from Europe? (I never asked about SLC-Hawaii routes.) The answer that I received from some DL experts is that, for the time being, the ex-TW/AA 752s will primarily fly JFK-Europe routes and may pay a visit to ATL every now and then.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 13):
I still believe these 757s are JFK based. So, what sense does it make for DL to scatter them around the system for west coast flying?

In between intl flights I could easily see these birds making JFK - LAX/SEA/SFO turns based on having the BE configuration and IFE for business passengers, and for a competititive edge over Jetblue and the likes.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 14):
aircraft at Delta are not based anywhere. Crews have bases....aircraft do not. They are used where they are needed, and may or may not go back to the same airport on a regular basis.

Bucky - while the majority of a/c aren't "based" at any particular airport, there are a few exceptions...the 777s come to mind, with all eight being based out of ATL at all times and only connecting through another city either on the trip, or mid-trip (ATL-JFK-BOM-JFK-ATL).

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
I asked a similiar question a few weeks ago.....after DL has received the 10 (or 13, depending upon who you ask) ex-TW/AA 752s, will their missions be primarily JFK-Europe with an occassional turn to ATL for maintainance visits, or will this subfleet fly a variety of missions, say a transcon or JFK-Florida turn inbetween flights to/from Europe? (I never asked about SLC-Hawaii routes.) The answer that I received from some DL experts is that, for the time being, the ex-TW/AA 752s will primarily fly JFK-Europe routes and may pay a visit to ATL every now and then.

They are being acquired to help right-size some TATL markets where the 76 is too much bird but there is no other gauge to serve with. While (as happens with every airline), you may see them rotate through some outstations in between TATL flights, these birds will most likely spend the majority of their time (at least initially) rotating through JFK with the trip to ATL for work as needed...
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:46 am

The only firm route I've heard about so far is JFK-Edinburgh (the ATL-EDI having been scrapped recently); any others confirmed? I assume JFK-SNN is a strong possibility?
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 18):
I assume JFK-SNN is a strong possibility?

I think that DL's advance schedules already inidicate a 752 for the JFK-SNN route.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:58 am

Documents filed with the BK11 court stated these aircraft would be delivered to Delta in Delta's livery how come this second aircraft and I assume the first aircraft are not painted in Delta's livery and are still in the AA livery minus the red strip etc
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Papatango (Reply 20):
Documents filed with the BK11 court stated these aircraft would be delivered to Delta in Delta's livery how come this second aircraft and I assume the first aircraft are not painted in Delta's livery and are still in the AA livery minus the red strip etc

While the airplane was seen at ATL, we really dont know if the airplane has yet to be ""officially delivered"" to Delta.....the airplanes are owned by leasing companies and there is no conifirmation that DL is in legal posession of the airplane. Just because the airplane is parked in AA does not mean it now belongs to DL.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:45 am

Pardon my ignorance, but I have always wondered, and this is a good opportunity to ask this, but why do airlines conceal their logos and color schemes? Copyrights or confusion? That was a waste of money to throw on that blue stripe wasn't it?
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 22):
Pardon my ignorance, but I have always wondered, and this is a good opportunity to ask this, but why do airlines conceal their logos and color schemes? Copyrights or confusion? That was a waste of money to throw on that blue stripe wasn't it?

When an airplane is damaged or sometimes when an airplane is put into ""open-storage"" in the desert, the airline will remove it titles and sometimes will slightly alter its livery. Why? Its not great public relations to have out-of-use or damaged airplanes displaying the companies colors.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 17):
Bucky - while the majority of a/c aren't "based" at any particular airport, there are a few exceptions...the 777s come to mind, with all eight being based out of ATL at all times and only connecting through another city either on the trip, or mid-trip (ATL-JFK-BOM-JFK-ATL)

There is another sub-fleet of aircraft at DL which is also based in ATL and that is 767-300ER (G), the former Gulf Air aircraft that are at the moment flying from ATL to CPH, DUB, DUS, FRA, SCL and STR. You don't see these in JFK for example.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:01 am

Would this be because they're GE powered and it makes sense to keep them in ATL, keeping the PW powered acft for JFK?
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting DLBOIFIN (Reply 24):
There is another sub-fleet of aircraft at DL which is also based in ATL and that is 767-300ER (G), the former Gulf Air aircraft that are at the moment flying from ATL to CPH, DUB, DUS, FRA, SCL and STR. You don't see these in JFK for example.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
Would this be because they're GE powered and it makes sense to keep them in ATL, keeping the PW powered acft for JFK?

Dang, I didn't know DLs "762s" (relax guys, I'm referring to the Gulf Air's 763s that DLs flying around....LOL) are GE powered.
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
Would this be because they're GE powered and it makes sense to keep them in ATL, keeping the PW powered acft for JFK?

DL's GE and PW powered 763s serve JFK, ATL, and CVG on transatlantic flights. It's not uncommon to see a PW powered 763 on a route one day, and a GE powered one the next day. They have no airport exclusivity when it comes to engine type on the 763s.

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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:23 am

My wife and I are flying on one of the B757's from MCO to ATL on Sept 24 that has not first class but BusinessElite on it. This will give me a chance to see how it is. And if it is ok and we Fly DL on our Gospel Choir tour next August I will be fling in that class over to BUD and from VCE.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
Would this be because they're GE powered and it makes sense to keep them in ATL, keeping the PW powered acft for JFK?

Aside from the ex-Gulf Air 763ERs, there are other Delta 763A and 763ER airplanes equipped with GE engines...and, the entire 764ER fleet is GE powered.

My thinking is that the ex-Gulf Air airplanes have a different seating layout (and have 6 less BizElite seats) so, to avoid a lot of headaches, DL keeps the ex-GulfAir airplanes based in ATL and tries (thats they key word: tries) to limit the routes to which these airplanes are assigned. I think that DL's one 767-324ER is also part of this group, as it also has the different seating configuration and different door layout.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 6):
AA bare metal - the red stripe had been painted blue to make it a little less obvious - no titles - just the reg nbr

that just makes it more obvious where the bird came from. there were 4 722s parked at KSWF a few years back, the blue paint was most likely krylon...
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 30):
Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 6):
AA bare metal - the red stripe had been painted blue to make it a little less obvious - no titles - just the reg nbr

that just makes it more obvious where the bird came from.

Fully agreed. With all the hundreds of 727s, DC-10s, MD-11s, F-100s, MD-80/90s sitting on the ground at places like MHV, VCV, or wherever, the double blue stripe has become more synonymous with AA than their actual livery  Silly .
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:57 am

As Jim Whitehurst mentioned on today's earnings conf call, these 752s started arriving on the property on Monday July 16. Except for JFK-SNN starting in September, the others will be used on domestic proving runs as they are delivered until Spring/Summer 2008, when they will then start TATL flights. So far, only JFK-EDI has been loaded for next spring (start May 1) in addition to the continuation of JFK-SNN.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
When an airplane is damaged or sometimes when an airplane is put into ""open-storage"" in the desert, the airline will remove it titles and sometimes will slightly alter its livery. Why? Its not great public relations to have out-of-use or damaged airplanes displaying the companies colors.

Aren't most storage facilities in the middle of the desert and generally closed to the public, unless you are an A.net photographer ?  Smile
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 33):
Aren't most storage facilities in the middle of the desert and generally closed to the public, unless you are an A.net photographer

The airplanes at storage facilities can be viewed from the perimeter of the facilities........also airplanes are sometimes stored at commerical airports such as LAS and PHX.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 16):
In between intl flights I could easily see these birds making JFK - LAX/SEA/SFO turns based on having the BE configuration and IFE for business passengers, and for a competititive edge over Jetblue and the likes.

B6 doesn't have a BE product. DL's domestic first class with AVOD is more competitive than what AA offers for IFE - seat is more BE related. At any rate, DL is doing very well on the transcons according to Hauenstein on today's earnings call. There is no reason to put more airplane on the route than is necessary - esp. since there are at least a dozen transatlantic routes that itching for DL transatlantic service thanks to Open Skies and AF's support which will help DL cement its position as the leading airline from the US to continental Europe.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 17):
They are being acquired to help right-size some TATL markets where the 76 is too much bird but there is no other gauge to serve with.

and to free up the 767s to fly longer routes. there was alot said on the earnings confeerence call today about Africa and the Middle East.  Smile
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:27 am

Slightly off topic here, but is Delta taking TWA's own 757-231s or the -2Q8s? Perhaps a mix of both? TWA operated 27 752s.....17 of their -231s and 10 -2Q8s leased from ILFC. Just simple curiosity on my part as which birds DL is picking up.
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Thread starter):
Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 6):

AA bare metal - the red stripe had been painted blue to make it a little less obvious

That's the fictitous Columbia Airlines scheme from Airport 75!

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It certainly makes sense for Delta to acquire ex-TWA 757s since they are P&W-powered. It also made sense for American to retire their ex-TWA 757s since they are not exactly compatible with their R&R-powered 757s.
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 16):
In between intl flights I could easily see these birds making JFK - LAX/SEA/SFO turns based on having the BE configuration and IFE for business passengers, and for a competititive edge over Jetblue and the likes.

With the new IFE improvements, it would be nice to see how DL's service compares to UA's ps service on JFK-LAX/SFO.

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Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Thread starter):
Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
How old is this bird?

The aircraft is N703TW, made in 1996.

It's a Boeing 757-2Q8.

According to the FAA Registry at http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...=703TW&cmndfind.x=23&cmndfind.y=11 it currently belongs to ILFC.
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 14):
aircraft at Delta are not based anywhere. Crews have bases....aircraft do not. They are used where they are needed, and may or may not go back to the same airport on a regular basis.

The 90s ARE based in SLC. Every 90 goes through SLC every day unless it needs to go to ATL for MX that we can't accomplish in SLC. Half the fleet overnights at SLC and those that overnight in an outstation return to SLC on the first flight.

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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:04 am

Delta was also in negotiations to lease three 757-231s via Pegasus Aviation. What is the status on these?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 41):

Per Delta's webcast on 7/18/07 there are 13 757-200's coming onboard now thru early 2008. Now that we known the number of 757's what routes will they fly out of JFK? SNN/EDI are confirmed
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 28):
My wife and I are flying on one of the B757's from MCO to ATL on Sept 24 that has not first class but BusinessElite

That's just a continuation of a 763 into ATL, equipment changed to a 757/domestic from ATL-MCO. It's still the standard domestic configuration unless they substitute one of the recently acquired 757's. There are many such flights in the DL system these days. Most of the domestic flights showing business elite instead of first class are actually change of equipment at the gateway city (ATL, CVG,JFK), with the domestic portion being a standard domestic configuration.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 35):
and to free up the 767s to fly longer routes. there was alot said on the earnings confeerence call today about Africa and the Middle East

......and?

I missed the webcast, is there anyway I can still see/hear it?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:48 pm

will DL still lease these birds or are they buying them?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting Papatango (Reply 42):
Per Delta's webcast on 7/18/07 there are 13 757-200's coming onboard now thru early 2008. Now that we known the number of 757's what routes will they fly out of JFK? SNN/EDI are confirmed
how about MAN ? any ideas on new routes.

During the low season, I'd say JFK-DUB/MAN on 757s is almost guaranteed, though during summer they might revert back to 763s depending on demand obviously. I could also see the 757s appear on JFK-BRU/TXL, though I'm not sure about whether the cargo space of the 763 isn't needed to TXL after all. As for new destinations, strictly IMHO, I could see LIS, LYS, CPH and ARN from JFK. Of course I also hope for HAM, but then again, it is doubtful with the competition from both EK and CO.
 
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 45):
will DL still lease these birds or are they buying them?

They are being leased. Currently confirmed are 10 aircraft being leased via ILFC. There are three more additional aircraft being leased via Pegasus Aviation, but no delivery dates have been set for them yet.

Does anyone have an idea when the Pegasus aircraft will be delivered?
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 16):
In between intl flights I could easily see these birds making JFK - LAX/SEA/SFO turns based on having the BE configuration and IFE for business passengers, and for a competititive edge over Jetblue and the likes.

Yah but your plane ticket will cost you probably 3-5 times more than JetBlue  Wink
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RE: First Ex-TWA 757 For DL Now In ATL

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 48):
Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 16):
In between intl flights I could easily see these birds making JFK - LAX/SEA/SFO turns based on having the BE configuration and IFE for business passengers, and for a competititive edge over Jetblue and the likes.

Yah but your plane ticket will cost you probably 3-5 times more than JetBlue Wink

Thats fine with me, I like being able to connect internationally, fly to an airport near my parents, and interline when necessary.  Wink