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NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:37 pm

Air New Zealand and Boeing are working in conjunction with a New Zealand based company (Aquaflow Bionomic Corporation) to "create the world's first environmentally friendly aviation fuel, made of wild algae."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4132048a13.html

It seems that they are looking at using algae to produce a biofuel that could result in aviation becoming carbon-neutral!

If the development occurs, NZ will provide an aircraft to test the new fuel on one of its Trans-Tasman routes by running one engine on bio-fuel and the other on ordinary Jetfuel to ensure safe operation until such time as the new fuel is deemed acceptable to airlines and regulatory authorities one would assume.

With aviation taking a bit of heat lately regarding global warming and the cost of fuel, this could be quite an interesting development!
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
If the development occurs, NZ will provide an aircraft to test the new fuel on one of its Trans-Tasman routes by running one engine on bio-fuel and the other on ordinary Jetfuel to ensure safe operation until such time as the new fuel is deemed acceptable to airlines and regulatory authorities one would assume.

It'll happen with no pax onboard. The aircraft's certificate of airworthiness would not cover alternative fuels.
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:48 pm

Nice to our small green patch of grass helping the future fuel crisis.

For an engine that is designed to run from jet A-1, do you know if they have done or are doing any ground tests on a G.T. engine to test performance?
 
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 2):
For an engine that is designed to run from jet A-1, do you know if they have done or are doing any ground tests on a G.T. engine to test performance?

Gas-turbine engines can burn pretty much anything from kero to diesel to petrol to alcohol... how much power they produce on each fuel, cost and weight and freezing point are the deciding factors.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 1):
It'll happen with no pax onboard. The aircraft's certificate of airworthiness would not cover alternative fuels.

not necessarily and note that Boeing is involved... they're the ones that come up with whether or not an aircraft can run on whatever... of course NZ would require CAA (NZL) and CASA (AUS) approval.
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:12 am

Interesting development. Better patent the idea before some other country steals the idea  Wink
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):

not necessarily and note that Boeing is involved... they're the ones that come up with whether or not an aircraft can run on whatever... of course NZ would require CAA (NZL) and CASA (AUS) approval.

In this case it would have to come from the engine manufacturer but I see your point.
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:24 am

That's really interesting. I didn't know there was much work in the field of biofuels in aviation. If they test the fuel to be equivalent to Kerosene that the airlines use, then it would be exciting to see the fuel used in real flights. Its a good idea to only use it on one engine, but I assume that if the proper chemical formula in the fuel can assure safety.
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 4):
Better patent the idea before some other country steals the idea

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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:08 pm

You can keep Russel Crowe !!!!
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting NZAA (Reply 8):
Someone was telling me the other day that turbines can run on coal dust.

They wouldn't last long however... particles like that eat up turbine blades like theres no tomorrow... look at that BA 747 that flew thru the Ash cloud... (sure it wasn't coal that was combustable, but the particles were like a sandblaster).
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:44 am

These biofuels are simply not sustainable. Depending on photosynthesis to supply our energy needs real time will simply lead to large ecological trauma and, in the case of the botched pork barrel politics of America, economic hardship.

If you want to get off fossil fuels while still consuming, you're going to have to burn something with a little more kick.
 
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RE: NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:50 am

I wonder why the Engine Manufactuer's aren't involved as well?