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Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:26 am

hi all

i just got the imformation that the flight from Shanghai to San francisco on UAL 858 that there was a cast away in the nose gear. about 30 min ago the aircraft landed with nose gear messsages. they have found a man in the nose gear. he is now dead and being removed. there is no news coverage right know but my father who works at SFO for UAL in the International side who is working on that flight right know has imformed me.

[Edited 2007-07-19 18:31:27]
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:32 am

How desperate... and sad. Sad
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:46 am

Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

No sympathy for stowaways....

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....

I think it's a sad statement about how desperately some people want out of their home country. I wonder what he was running from in China? He must've been in some sort of trouble with the PRC government or perhaps trying to reunite with family here in the States?

Sad.  Sad
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:38 am

Is the type a 744? If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:45 am

I read some time ago about a man surviving a nose gear flight from Lagos to London on a BA B747.
I guess it's possible to survive, but what a scary experience when the nose wheel comes up.
And the cold at 35.000 feet ... hurts just to think about.  cold 
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:55 am

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 4):
If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?

At -30C for 14 hours with no oxygen....??? I don't think so.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:44 am

Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

These stories are a indicate poor education by the govts of these countries as well as poor security.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 4):
If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?

At -30C for 14 hours with no oxygen....??? I don't think so.

As someone else mentioned, there have been a few survivors from similar events but the flights were probably shorter. There is oxygen at those altitudes but obviously not much. Quite a few climbers have made it to the top of Mount Everest (over 29,000 ft.) without supplementary oxygen.
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

Alas, many of these folks don't watch CNN or read The New York Times so they are not aware of those who tried such strategies before and don't understand the risks...
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:01 am

As I see it, it's a Darwinian process. "See it as evolution in action."

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
I read some time ago about a man surviving a nose gear flight from Lagos to London on a BA B747.
I guess it's possible to survive, but what a scary experience when the nose wheel comes up.
And the cold at 35.000 feet ... hurts just to think about.

Not to mention the possibility of the bends.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Alas, many of these folks don't watch CNN or read The New York Times so they are not aware of those who tried such strategies before and don't understand the risks...

True. But even so you'd think someone knows someone who knows someone heard a story. My uneducated guess is that, just as with many people smuggling rings, the actual travelers pay good money for the privilege to die and those making the money have few if any scruples about the fact they just led someone to his death.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:06 am

How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 12):
How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?

He could have jumped onto the gear on the taxiway when the plane came to a stop at some point... Awful way to die.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:23 am

Great security we got.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 12):
How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?

Yes. But those bays are rather large. There have been previous threads on how there are several places to hide away from view.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

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That was my first thought as well. Yes, it's tragic and all that this person died but this was a flight coming into the U.S. We're spending billions on homeland security yet, from incidents like this, it appears as we're just as susceptible to an airline terror attack today as we were pre 9/11.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

No sympathy for stowaways....

Much of the world is a desperate place...it's not all as rich and successful as the USA. It really shows what some people will do through to get to a better way of life...while it's less dangerous, people risk their lives all the time coming into the US from Mexico...see how hot that desert gets, and how little water they have? Or those in Darfur who escape into camps in eastern Chad where they are attacked, beaten, raped, and often murdered, but still they risk it because there's a chance it's better than where they are.

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 14):
Great security we got.

Well, it happened in China, sooo....unless you're Chinese, it's not a "we"



Sad story indeed.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

Yeah no kidding...hearing these stories every so often about stowaways reminds you about how lax security still is.

With that said, I'd be a lot more surprised if the person had stowed away on the SFO-PVG leg, as I'd exepect SFO security to be tighter then PVG.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:29 am

Sad story indeed  Sad
It's a horrible way to go.

Shanghai airport perimeter security seems to have holes to fix. Otherwise, could this have been a ground worker who had easy access to the planes as part of the job?
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:30 am

PIAFlyer, is your dad pilot or F/A?

May he/she RIP.

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
How desperate... and sad.
R.I.P. noseflyer.



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....



Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 3):
think it's a sad statement about how desperately some people want out of their home country



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
As I see it, it's a Darwinian process. "See it as evolution in action."



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
Not to mention the possibility of the bends.



Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
Much of the world is a desperate place...it's not all as rich and successful as the USA. It really shows what some people will do through to get to a better way of life.

Security and other aspects aside; DESPERATION has no Bounds! Truly sad. I'm with you Madame.....RIP
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:39 am

As with other similar events, and especially as to USA bound aircraft even before 9/11, there should be much better security around the aircraft whenever they are on the ground, to keep unauthorized people away, to check on who is working the aircraft and that the a/c never departs until all people who got near it are accounted for including baggage loaders, ground maintenance, cleaning and catering staff. There may have to be inspections using mirrors held by inspectors or inside of the area of landing gear compartments on specific flights.
Clearly those who try to smuggle themselves via the landing gear compartment's are in such a bad set of circumstances or so wanting to go to something they think is better and are either ignorant of what the conditions will be or will take the risk.
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:28 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....

Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

Funnily enough and somewhat ironically, types like you would the first to demand that the Mexicans and Canadians be sympathetic if due to some disaster, you where to become a refugee from the US. I only hope that one day you get a taste of your own medicine in a time of your most desperate need.

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

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Funnily enough

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:41 am

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:08 pm

It always amazes me how for some people the first thought when reading about these kind of tragic events is something akin to "no sympathy".

For me, it's all about how awful it must've been for the poor person, who must've been enduring something awful wherever his home country was, hoping to find a better life in the U.S. or somewhere in the West, and ending up dying what is probably a terrible death.

Worse yet, it seems to be most often Americans who express "no sympathy". I agree with the poster that said "there but for the grace of God go I." The "no sympathy" kids make me feel a little sad for the future for my country.

Now, I worry about security as much as the next person, given that I commute between DC and Denver for my job every week. I just think it is sad when the first reaction is one of derision or fear, instead of sorrow at some poor soul's death. Let other concerns come later.
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 14):
Great security we got

ha ha halarious  bigthumbsup 

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
PIAFlyer, is your dad pilot or F/A?

no he is a mechanic like the one who found the body, actually the mechanic who found the dead body is my dad's friend Big grin
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
Much of the world is a desperate place...it's not all as rich and successful as the USA. It really shows what some people will do through to get to a better way of life...while it's less dangerous, people risk their lives all the time coming into the US from Mexico...see how hot that desert gets, and how little water they have? Or those in Darfur who escape into camps in eastern Chad where they are attacked, beaten, raped, and often murdered, but still they risk it because there's a chance it's better than where they are.

Well said, SW733. Any American who has traveled outside the States on a Missionary/Humanitarian trip would never say that they have no sympathies for stowaways. May this man RIP.

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world.

Easy now. I agree with your sentiment, but you don't need to be that sarcastic.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:27 pm

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

well said, this is really a sad story and shows the desperation and the trouble people are going to go thru in the hope of a better life, really sad.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

 eek  wow so true

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):

Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty.

I have no sympathy for this person, and here is why. If he wanted to get to U.S.A., all he needed to do was go to the Embassy. Once there he would have no problem getting to the U.S.

I do not feel sorry for him about how he died. He made a choice to get in the nose wheel of the aircraft. There are obvious dangers. If you tell a two year old not to touch a heater, and they do, do you feel sorry for them? You told them not to, they made a choice. This man did also.

Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 28):
Well said, SW733. Any American who has traveled outside the States on a Missionary/Humanitarian trip would never say that they have no sympathies for stowaways. May this man RIP.

And just for the record, I have been to a third world country.
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Quite a few climbers have made it to the top of Mount Everest (over 29,000 ft.) without supplementary oxygen.

..it takes them time to get acclimated to the various levels of oxygen..and they start off from a high altitude already (i.e. "base camp")......
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
If he wanted to get to U.S.A., all he needed to do was go to the Embassy. Once there he would have no problem getting to the U.S.

Unfortunately, that just isn't true. Even before 9/11 it was tough...now, it's even more tough. I know a lot of people see the US as a savior for everyone who is in trouble around the world..."give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.." and all that, but the Statue of Liberty was erected in the 1880's, and the country has changed a LOT since then. The days of a foreigner going to a US embassy, crying for asylum or freedom, and getting it are long gone - case in point, Iraq...the number of Iraq War refugees in America is very, very small. Now, the person could go about going to the embassy, spending the years to do the paperwork and (maybe) be granted an opportunity to go to the USA to live and work, spend $1500 on a plane ticket to the USA, and maybe, someday, make enough to pay off that debt...or they could take a chance, jump in a wheel well, and hope to all hell that they make it across the ocean, to America, with no debts and lots of opportunities.

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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting CBERFlyer (Reply 26):
The "no sympathy" kids make me feel a little sad for the future for my country.

Sort of like these two?

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....



Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
I have no sympathy for this person, and here is why.



Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
If he wanted to get to U.S.A., all he needed to do was go to the Embassy. Once there he would have no problem getting to the U.S.

So, you are saying that it's just a simple case of waltzing into your local US embassy if you want to live in the US. You are saying that the US will accept all and sundry that turn up to one of their diplomatic posts? So you are saying that all these desperate Mexicans have it wrong when they try cross the US border, and all they have to do is actually go to the US embassy in Mexico?

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
He made a choice to get in the nose wheel of the aircraft. There are obvious dangers.

Obvious to whom? You and I may know of the dangers, but I dare say most people in the world have very little knowledge on aircraft.

Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 28):
Easy now. I agree with your sentiment, but you don't need to be that sarcastic.

No sarcasm at all Suse, just telling it like it is. There was a similar sentiment amongst many in OZ during the Tampa crisis.

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
And just for the record, I have been to a third world country

Emporia is indeed pretty 3rd world  duck 
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:32 pm

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Quite a few climbers have made it to the top of Mount Everest (over 29,000 ft.) without supplementary oxygen.

Haha yes but they do it slowly, not turbines to push them up, and they wear a few extra layers.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:32 pm

JetMech and CBERFlyer, welcome to my R/U list!

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 31):
If he wanted to get to U.S.A., all he needed to do was go to the Embassy. Once there he would have no problem getting to the U.S.

you do not truely believe this, do you? Even for me, who comes from a European 1st world country it could be quite hard to next to impossible to get a visa for the US if I wanted to go there as a permanent resident.... I can only imagine how hard it must be for someone from a country like china as this poor guy....
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting JetMech (Reply 34):
Sort of like these two?

Just going to ignore this immature comment...

Quoting JetMech (Reply 34):
all they have to do is actually go to the US embassy in Mexico?

Actually, yes. I have several friends that came in legally. It isn't hard.

Quoting JetMech (Reply 34):
Obvious to whom? You and I may know of the dangers, but I dare say most people in the world have very little knowledge on aircraft.

So since I don't know alot about construction it would be acceptable if I hide in a wheel track on a backhoe? If I get ran over, will you feel sorry for me?

Quoting SW733 (Reply 35):

Emporia is indeed pretty 3rd world

Never been to Kansas, eh?

My point is there are ways to get here legally. If you break laws to get here (TSA, airport security...) what laws are you going to break when you get here?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
placing a bomb in there is just as possible

Good example
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 38):
Never been to Kansas, eh?

Check my profile, lived here since August 2002.

In fact I work for the government of Kansas. Thanks for my paycheck Mr. Taxpayer  Smile

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 38):
My point is there are ways to get here legally. If you break laws to get here (TSA, airport security...) what laws are you going to break when you get here?

I understand, but there are lots of illegal aliens who break the law to come here and then lead decent, fulfilling, great lives (and I am one of those people who says "they're breaking the law every day because they are in the US illegally", but still, they can be good people and can do good things to support family back home, their community, etc.). The ways of getting here legally are almost impossible, especially from a place like China (or wherever else this person may have been from...maybe someplace even more difficult to gain access from), and desperate times call for desperate measures.

In the end, I don't support what this person did, but I do understand why, and I do feel sorry for him (and his family who may have been wishing and hoping he would make it to America in order to send money back)
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
In fact I work for the government of Kansas. Thanks for my paycheck Mr. Taxpayer

Yeah, you pay taxes also.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
The ways of getting here legally are almost impossible

but yet still possible. If the only way to get to here is to hop in the nosewheel of a 747, you give up to easy.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
they can be good people and can do good things to support family back home, their community, etc.

The ends do not justify the means

This is getting off topic....
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:10 pm

If this guy is capable of circumventing security to get get himself into the nose bay of a jet aircraft, he is bloody well clever enough to know the dangers of doing same.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:03 pm

Is there any datum kept as to how many countries people have attempted to enter illegally by being a nosewheel stowaway?
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:28 pm

Picture from the evil SF Chronicle:



Poor sap thought he was prepared with the jackets. Too bad he forgot about the atmosphere.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):


Quote:
Quoting JetMech (Reply 34):
Obvious to whom? You and I may know of the dangers, but I dare say most people in the world have very little knowledge on aircraft.

So since I don't know alot about construction it would be acceptable if I hide in a wheel track on a backhoe? If I get ran over, will you feel sorry for me?

I have to agree with JetMech on this one. Besides, it's obvious even without knowledge of construction that you're going to be crushed in the wheel track of a backhoe so that analogy is flawed IMHO.
 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:51 pm

Sad case.Most common people are not aware of the Dangers of retracting gears,Temperatures encountered & Pressurisation.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 38):
Actually, yes. I have several friends that came in legally. It isn't hard.

What a stupid statement. Just because you have "several friends" that came there legally does not mean that it is easy for everybody. Have you ever seen the LOOONG lines outside the US consulates? Do you know the numbers of how many people actually get turned down?
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:55 pm

So many bag the US, so many more want to live there. Sadly some will take extreme measures in the forlorn hope of making it.
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:41 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 43):
evil SF Chronicle

Uhhhh, how is the SFC Evil?!?  confused 
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RE: Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:10 pm

You know, I nearly took the opportunity to make the first response by predicting there would be a barrage of people saying how stupid it was because "everyone knows" it won't work. I didn't because it would have been off topic at the time. I should have done it.

As stated in the more sensible posts above, it is patently obvious that there are people desperate enough to try it and don't know the risk. Does anyone really think these people try this knowing that they will probably die?

As for waltzing into the US Embassy and being granted entry on the spot, why would the USA, or any other country, even have immigration control if they're just going to let everyone in? The first time I went to the States on holiday I was a student. It was quite an ordeal getting in and, though I had a return ticket for three weeks later, they told me I had to leave after one week - I stayed the full three weeks, though.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 24):
Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Funnily enough

Hey you make up words like me! I like you

Which word? "Funnily" and "enough" are perfectly cromulent words.  Smile