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CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:25 am

Do they still have plans to fly to Manchester and Moscow? The flight was announced but never started. Are they still negotiating with the Russian government?
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:40 am

I wonder if they have any intention of coming back to IST.
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:06 pm

When did they last fly to IST?

They should return to Zurich too
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:47 pm

CX started flying to IST in late '98 or early '99 and flew until little after 9/11.
It was twice weekly nonstop with A340.
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:03 pm

There have been rumours about IST restarting. Once the 777-30ERs start arriving and freeing A340s off the North America routes, we can expect to see further strengthening of many of our longhaul and shorthaul routes and a few new ones.

Moscow is still being worked on but no outcome is expected soon. Aeroflot holds the sole rights between Moscow and many destinations from the Russian side and there is debate about who's jurisdiction it is and who's rights they are to give to CX in the first place!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:33 pm

Why does CX not consider going direct to MAN then?
Sure they could fill a 777 a few times a week, SIA seems to do
ok non stop.....
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 5):
Why does CX not consider going direct to MAN then?

Lots of services from London, most probably, and BA/CX codeshare on the shuttle.
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:11 pm

CX need to get their LHR/BA/Oneworld head out of their A$$ and get back to serving MAN and direct. SQ have the hold on South East Asia/OZ/NZ, but CX would get the Industrial regions of China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. So CX get some balls and just do it direct, as I am sick of hearing of this so called commitment but via somewhere else crap over and over again.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:24 am

Getting back to CMB would be nice too. I haven't heard anything regarding lately about that.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting Turkishsky (Reply 3):
CX started flying to IST in late '98 or early '99 and flew until little after 9/11.
It was twice weekly nonstop with A340.

CX wont return IST unless Turk CAD or TK give permission to CX fifth freedom DXB-IST caused this supposed Turk side had promised CX/HKG in 2004 ASA meeting but finally refused to give and lie to HKG. That's the reason TK not even can thinking to increase even addtional 1 flight.

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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting N503JB (Reply 9):
CX wont return IST unless Turk CAD or TK give permission to CX fifth freedom DXB-IST caused this supposed Turk side had promised CX/HKG in 2004 ASA meeting but finally refused to give and lie to HKG. That's the reason TK not even can thinking to increase even addtional 1 flight.

Really dumb
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:43 pm

I am with Col on this having to choosing to travel via Amsterdam to connect to OUR Hong Kong service is just wrong !
Manchester NEEDS an alternative Far East direct service to COMPETE with SQ (Try getting seat with them at a reasonable fare !) NOW.
Oneworld alliance (L. Aways ) has devastated growth at Manchester AND other mid sized airports (In Australia Barcelona Throughout the UK and Eire (EI growth AFTER leaving ! for instance) with few benefits to the passenger (Fare Payer or even those traveling on other peoples money) unlike Star with many more varied connections AND FOCUS points not just hubs . LOOK at Munich/Zurich/Vienna (relatively close by each other) ALL able to maintain LONG HAUL with extensive short haul/feeder connections AND Similarly Bangkok/Singapore in south East Asia
Moscow is a non-starter for sure but how about oh i don't know via ARLANDA or HELSINKI if two point is way to go.
Perfect for competition with *A will get some front seats out of Stockholm AND up lift a few MORE cardboard boxes between already served destinations perhaps !
Hong Kong -Manchester great service if box abysmal if self loading freight.
What i can't get my head around is that where boxes travel you know BUSINESS must be good and therefore demand for passengers (The buyers/sellers of the contents of those boxes and many/most will be potential CLUB world and upwards fare payers LIKE ME !)
Yield i may here from some well perhaps but what many don't understand is even this can and has been manipulated by agents historically so that when i have tried to book HONG KONG in the past (When we had service )the agent /sellers computer programmes would throw up via LHR FIRST and that goes back to the days BA flew direct.
Suffice to say MANCHESTER- HONG KONG is viable CX or that outfit flying to Gatwick could make money i am sure.
In the case of CX THEY have the slots they have the aircraft they have the marketing (Those CARGO planes flying billboards !) NOW make the commitment.
NOT via India or SE (Ref Gayrugby reports) but either ARLANDA or HELSINKI (later might be good as also a Oneworld hub of sorts. NO disrespect to FInnair but partners are weak so can't be real hub so to speak. THIS WOULD actually strengthen it !

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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Manchester and Moscow


 Confused

Would it then be Moscow-Hong Kong??
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 11):
SQ (Try getting seat with them at a reasonable fare !) NOW.

Try getting a seat full stop!! Had to go via that dump at LHR to pick up an available SQ seat. Managed to get back direct luckily. As I am in China it would be better to get back direct from HKG, but I'll suffer the quality service on SQ for now.

CX could make a go of the flight direct with a 343 I am sure. I have used the old service several times via CDG years ago, and business was good then. But alas they are as hell bent on LHR as BA, as they can run multiple servcies with 50 Man Pax per flight, helping justify their use of such a wonderous concrete jungle.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:03 pm

CX servicing MAN would be good, SQ, like Rutankrd said, charges stupid prices on the SIN route, so much so that its cheaper to get a connecting flight into LHR and fly from there.

Also, another option to Oz would be nice, SQ is expensive and EK isn't quite up to scratch. CX would be a good alternative if they priced the route right and offered it at times when connections at HKG are plentiful.

Even so, I ask myself, is MAN that valuable an Airport for CX to use it.

Would CX be able to do something like a HKG-MAN-GLA-HKG route using an A343, then killing two birds with one stone. It would be useful for them especially if MAN didn't have huge loads. (not necassarily GLA)

Just a thought

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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:19 pm

I think it could work 3/4 times a week, but CX need to get a move on and get a foothold back in, before some low cost merchant nicks all the Y pax - there's enough business traffic and upmarket holidaymakers to make it happen - just get on with it!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:58 pm

BA787 if Manchester is Not important to CX why (with Dragonair) can they justify up to 2 (3 in Winter ) Full freight services !

OH AND Manchester/Liverpool combined have one of the largest ethnic Cantonese communities in the WORLD !

Yes a connection to HONG KONG is a must !!!!!!

Even for selfish reasons

As for domestic feed possibly from Glasgow which also has a community well just possibly with the right timings and interline with Flybee can be sorted.

Don't think BD/WW what ever would be interested yet you never know.

I do hate to see MY boxes travel direct and quicker than i can !
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:25 am

A CX 343 2 class seats 287. There must be at least that number of people wishing to go direct rather that LHR and other places. Oneworld does not see MAN as a hub I guess, but sadly Star is not too smart at MAN either. SQ have done a little by code sharing with VS and US, but then they made the dumb move to take their SIN flight down to 5 flights per week and make it impossible for many people, and a lot of frequent flyers to get a seat. I guess people will come back and tell me SQ is going back daily in October or sometime, but they will need to recover PAX going with the smart horse at EK and Qatar. Strange how these guys can add capacity and fill it, flying their connection services to HKG, PVG, PEK, Japan, South Korea etc, etc. Maybe having consistent and reliable daily service is what passengers want???

Just my two cents.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Col (Reply 17):
guess people will come back and tell me SQ is going back daily in October or sometime

True enough - daily non-stop i.e. available capacity ex-MAN should be increased compared to the 5 non-stop and 2 one-stop service from a year ago. SQ's biggest problem is lack of aircraft; we can look forward to 10 weekly services "should demand be there" according to one of their bigwigs.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 14):
It would be useful for them especially if MAN didn't have huge loads. (not necassarily GLA)

At its peak, the CAA recorded some 145000 passengers on MAN-AMS/CDG-HKG routing - how many were routing through to HKG will probably be known to CX; they took their eye off the ball by getting codeshares on the BA shuttle services but completely forgetting about their own service at MAN.

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 12):
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Manchester and Moscow

Would it then be Moscow-Hong Kong??

They planned 3 weekly A340 operating HKG-SVO-MAN (flight duration for passengers going HKG to MAN being longer than routing HKG-LHR-MAN); I think they expected SVO-MAN to be busier than MAN-HKG, but with recent events, I thoink a non-stop service is what they'd want to look at.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Col (Reply 13):
Try getting a seat full stop!! Had to go via that dump at LHR to pick up an available SQ seat. Managed to get back direct luckily

My company flies people MAN-SIN regularly but SQ is always full on it's current 5 day per week service. In fact for business travellers it can be seen as 3 working days per week. More than 50% of our companies business now goes on EK. Daily direct flights MAN-SIN cannot come soon enough!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 16):
BA787 if Manchester is Not important to CX why (with Dragonair) can they justify up to 2 (3 in Winter ) Full freight services !

Where in my post did I say that MAN is not important to CX?????? I meant is it as valuable as other routes that could eb started. I know its important, its just a question of to what extent


I was just speculating on how they could make the route work IF it wasn't successful

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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 18):
They planned 3 weekly A340 operating HKG-SVO-MAN (flight duration for passengers going HKG to MAN being longer than routing HKG-LHR-MAN); I think they expected SVO-MAN to be busier than MAN-HKG, but with recent events, I think a non-stop service is what they'd want to look at.

Hmm, I see. I didn't really know there was a market in SVO for HKG, but I guess there is.
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:31 pm

CX codeshares with Aeroflot on the flights from HKG to SVO 4 x a week.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 22):
CX codeshares with Aeroflot on the flights from HKG to SVO 4 x a week.

Which would you prefer? Aeroflot or CX?
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
They should return to Zurich too

Second that. However it's rather unlikely with ZRH having transformed into a *A hub. CX codeshare with BA on the LHR run iirc, but frankly its rather inconvenient to fly to ZRH through LHR from SE Asia.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:37 pm

BA787 in comment lets see has CX PAX added many extra Long Haul Services anywhere.
SFO and Vancouver (frequency increeases) spring to mind BOTH have ENTHIC HK-Cantonese populations similar to the North West oh and use of those UK slots (OURS) to open an extra daily HELLROW service !
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 19):
My company flies people MAN-SIN regularly but SQ is always full on it's current 5 day per week service. In fact for business travellers it can be seen as 3 working days per week. More than 50% of our companies business now goes on EK. Daily direct flights MAN-SIN cannot come soon enough!

It is not normal for me to route out of UK, just circumstances this time. But the whole process of trying to get to BKK via SIN out of MAN was painful. Firstly, SQ USA booking service when you are going to more than four different destinations is much more helpful than UK. When you mention you want to depart MAN, the lady laughed. USA would normally put you on WL for a couple of days at least, but they told me not to bother. Gave up with them, booked out via LHR then one ways with BA, EVA, CX, CZ and SQ lost the business. It was still cheaper than EK, and timings better, but I was close to using them for the first time. There will still be a problem with SQ even when the two flights are added, the 772 is not big enough. There 773ER, although very nice, is too small, and they don't have any spare 744 capacity. People say 10 per week, believe it when I see it with SQ at present.

Now, how about EVA 773ER or 332 MAN-BKK-TPE, that would help our company!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:08 am

This has been an interesting thread, although I haven't got much to add. It seems to me that there are interesting times ahead for the legacy carriers at their fortresses of LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA and in this case HKG. If airlines like Oasis and AirAsia start hoovering up passengers en masse from secondary airports, and Eos and Silverjet continue to cream off the more high yielding folk, they could potentially start to regret their consolidatory actions. Here's hoping.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Col (Reply 7):
CX need to get their LHR/BA/Oneworld head out of their A$$ and get back to serving MAN and direct. SQ have the hold on South East Asia/OZ/NZ, but CX would get the Industrial regions of China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. So CX get some balls and just do it direct, as I am sick of hearing of this so called commitment but via somewhere else crap over and over again.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 24):
CX codeshare with BA on the LHR run iirc, but frankly its rather inconvenient to fly to ZRH through LHR from SE Asia.

I think that is the biggest problem. CX are relying on LHR for backtracking connections. That is so ridiculous. What I don't get is why is CX not in talks with AY and especially MA. It really would make so much more sense.

BTW, I've noticed that QF is really getting on the ball and beginning to expand BUD thru code shares. It will take time, but at least eventually thay could build something up. The problem there is that those code shares involve BKK with QF and that means that unless BUD gets non stop Ozzy service, it could be a problem as passengers would be making two connections (SYD-BKK-BUD-ZHR) but that still might be shorter than backtracking SYD-SIN-LHR-ZHR.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:44 pm

QF getting on the ball, well that will be a first!!!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:47 am

So which Latin destination are they starting?
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:42 am

RUMOURS of Mexico City for the freighters. Nothing firm at this stage.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:12 pm

About 6 months back on my way to CMB, I was chatting to one of the ISM and she was telling me that CX was considering adding a 5th flight to LHR. HKG-LHR is so saturated with flights as is; 10 flights to LHR plus one to LGW. I know it's CX's philosphy to add frequencies to existing destinations, but lets add some more destinations to the netowrk; MAD, BUD, AMN, IST, ZRH, just to name a few. What ever happend to the propsed LHR-JFK flights? I thought they got the rights to do that as VS got the rights to do HKG-SYD?
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:46 pm

There may well be lots of flights between London and Hong Kong but LHR still ranks consistently as one of the highest load factors in our network. Believe it or not, there is room for growth. As far as city pairs go, doesn't LHR-JFK have many more flights than LHR-HKG?

One of our managers said recently that with the current market and network, there are not many long haul places we can fly to and make money where we do not already fly to. The main strategy is to boost and increase our strength on our current services and maybe add one or two new places along the way. Watch out for more LHR services, quite possibly including JFK-LHR to which 77W and CX840/841 has already been assigned should it happen.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 33):
. Watch out for more LHR services, quite possibly including JFK-LHR to which 77W and CX840/841 has already been assigned should it happen.

That would be fantastic; JFK-LHR!!! It definitely beats flying AA over the pond!!! I would do it in a heartbeat!!!

JFK-LHR definitely has more flights than LHR-HKG. I think BA has 6 or 7 daily flights. Not sure, but it's definitely up there. I believe AA has at least 5 flights a day out of JFK.

Do you know if CX plans of re-introducing CMB flights? The three times that I've taken the flights from CMB to BKK, the passenger loads weren't that great. I know in J, there were maybe around 8 passengers on the 773 but A LOT of cargo under the belly.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 34):
Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 33):
. Watch out for more LHR services, quite possibly including JFK-LHR to which 77W and CX840/841 has already been assigned should it happen.

That would be fantastic; JFK-LHR!!! It definitely beats flying AA over the pond!!! I would do it in a heartbeat!!!

The problem here was the BMI objected to the fact that CX would be able to operate this route, while they were not allowed to do so (under the old Bermuda agreement). But all this will likely change when the new air agreement between the EU-US is in force.
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 33):
There may well be lots of flights between London and Hong Kong but LHR still ranks consistently as one of the highest load factors in our network. Believe it or not, there is room for growth. As far as city pairs go, doesn't LHR-JFK have many more flights than LHR-HKG?

There is plenty of room for growth out of MAN, instead of putting everyone through the most difficult transit airport in the world.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:03 pm

Any chance for Hawaii?

Why don't they make ANC a stop? They already do a techical stop to/from Toronto at ANC
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Col (Reply 36):
There is plenty of room for growth out of MAN, instead of putting everyone through the most difficult transit airport in the world.

No doubt there is growth and MAN is a destination I am sure we will see on the map once again, but CX do not want to fly it non-stop. It is a guess but they would probably end up cannibalising part of their LHR operation and since we have freighters going into MAN, you could not really prop up a pax service by carrying a lot of freight either.

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 34):
Do you know if CX plans of re-introducing CMB flights?

The company definately want to, and have looked closely at the situation there. Unfortunately with the night curfew we would have to fly there during the day, and the patterns via BKK just do not work out without significantly disrupting present flight patterns to do it. As you say, the passenger loads are not fantastic but there is a lot of freight we carry out of CMB. Hopefully it makes a reappearance soon.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:05 pm

What was the reason they stoped flying into ZRH, also will the A346's remain in the fleet when the B773ER's arrive?
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 39):
What was the reason they stoped flying into ZRH, also will the A346's remain in the fleet when the B773ER's arrive?

I can't remember when CX stopped flying to ZRH and why....years ago!!

As for the A346s, the official line is that they will all leave next year. However there are plenty of rumours which say they are to stay and possibly even be joined by 3 more from SAA.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 40):
However there are plenty of rumours which say they are to stay and possibly even be joined by 3 more from SAA.


I'd be surprised at that, because SAA is axing its 744s and if anything were to come CX's way, I'd expect it to be the SA 744s, since they are RR powered and would fit in nicely (yes, I know CX has taken PW 744s from SQ!) Maybe they could do a swap, with 346s going to SAA and 744s going to CX?

Good to see that CX has plenty of plans in the pipeline; I think MAN would certainly work as a route. Personally, I'd love to see a route from DUB to HKG, but I can't see that happening with CX; freighters, on the other hand, would be interesting, as there is steadily increasing trade between Ireland and China, particularly, which CX would be in an ideal position to tap into.

Unfortunately, our runway at DUB is a bit on the short side, but hopefully we'll get that sorted out; in any case, it isn't as if CX would fly n/s, even if they did serve DUB with 74Fs.

[Edited 2007-07-26 19:45:23]
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 41):
I'd be surprised at that, because SAA is axing its 744s

Well SAA is currently going through restructuring so maybe they will decrease their fleet even more.
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 38):
but CX do not want to fly it non-stop. It is a guess but they would probably end up cannibalising part of their LHR operation

And that's a bad thing?!?! Getting passengers who are ultmately not heading for London off the London services and onto a regional service means that the freed capacity on the London services will then be used for natural increased demand from London without resorting to buying new slots!
 
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RE: CX's Plan To Fly To Manchester And Moscow

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 43):
And that's a bad thing?!?!

It is when you don't have any plans to decrease capacity at LHR and must use the slots or lose them.