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BA 747 Configurations

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:07 pm

Hi everyone,

Quick question about BA 744s...understand there are Hi/Mid/Low J configged birds? With the mid-J's being the ones with the new club world onboard?


How many total seats do each of these 3 configs at BA have?

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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:28 pm

Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:32 pm

the seat maps are almost useless, I am afraid.

The Upper deck is correct for all 57 of the 744s.

The seat map is correct for Hi J config - for a total of 70 J seats (20 upstairs, 18 + 32 downstairs)

the low J has only the front of the 2 downstairs cabins - for a total of 38 J seats.

Mid J has only the back of the 2 cabins downstairs (32 seats) - for a total of 52 seats.

don't get me started on 777s.... they are even more complex.
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:26 pm

I will be travelling on BA 744 from BKK to SYD in Sep in J. Does this route offer the new club world?

thanks in advance

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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:18 pm

The Low J are on the way out, so soon there will only be Hi and Mid J left in the fleet. Here they are in details:

http://www.bvair.com/BA_tempanet.gif

Hope this helps to visualise it. (obviously the Low J is on the right!)

Regards
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 3):
I will be travelling on BA 744 from BKK to SYD in Sep in J.

No gurantee but the vast majority of BA's 744s wuill be converted by September.
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:29 pm

Have just operated mid j config and the engineers have said this config will no longer be fitted to remainder 747.

It will probably revert back to 38 due to suprose suprise the number of pax complaining about WTP disembarking if front of them.
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 6):
It will probably revert back to 38 due to suprose suprise the number of pax complaining about WTP disembarking if front of them.

BA crew warned BA management about this issue months before the embodiement was due to start... and yet it still went ahead despite our concerned... If BA reverts on this issue, it will be a good lesson for management: listen to your front line staff!!! If that happens, it will also be an expensive mistake (aircraft will have to be taken out of service etc.)
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 6):
Have just operated mid j config and the engineers have said this config will no longer be fitted to remainder 747.

It will probably revert back to 38 due to suprose suprise the number of pax complaining about WTP disembarking if front of them.


That was last months Galley FM rumour and utterly untrue. Theres only 16 extra pax in B zone than there used to be its hardly life or death to most business pax. Most of whom prefer the upper deck anyway even though that delays their disembarkation whatever config the aircraft is in.

[Edited 2007-07-22 16:47:59]
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 4):
The Low J are on the way out, so soon there will only be Hi and Mid J left in the fleet. Here they are in details:

Thanks for the map. Can you please post the 777 seat maps as well ? Thanks.
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:15 am

So which 744s have been fitted with the new mid-J layout, and what's total number of F, J, M, and Y seats in those aircraft?
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 8):
That was last months Galley FM rumour and utterly untrue.

As someone who's far more likely to fly WT+ and would prefer not to be over the wing, that's quite a relief to me.  Smile
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:07 am

Config is 14/52/36/236 I think total of 338. I believe they are around half way through the lo-mid j conversion, the terminal 1 routes and MIA seem pretty well covered and BKK/SYD. Theres very few Hi J's left to do havent flown one for several months.

Of todays low/mid j departures 9 are mid J and 11 arent. 2 at CWL at the moment.
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 8):
Theres only 16 extra pax in B zone than there used to be its hardly life or death to most business pax

Even BA could've done better I don't think the issue is that big to invest much more money than what they already have to switch the cabins, having 16 people disembarking in front of me won't make me go with another airline, I like BA service too much to try others because of something as meaningless as this.......

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 8):
Most of whom prefer the upper deck anyway even though that delays their disembarkation whatever config the aircraft is in.

I'd sit in the upper deck even if it's disembarked last.......that's why I'm the UPPERDECKFAN!!!  Big grin
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 2):

Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 14):
Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.

There are several variants of the 777 off the top of my head - the 17F variant, 14F with (IIRC) no 4K due to crew rest, 14F with full F available, 3-class (no F) at LHR for long range with the 4JK area as crew rest, 3-class at LGW with no CW seats blocked for rest...plus no doubt some other subtle variants! Seatmaps to cover them all would be a nightmare and probably confuse people more than now - IMHO BA should just give up on the 777 seat maps and direct people to 'check the seatmap for your cabin in Manage My Booking' (or at OLCI for those who can't assign).
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 9):
Thanks for the map. Can you please post the 777 seat maps as well ? Thanks.

Here you go:

BA Boeing 777-200 4-Class

BA Boeing 777-200 3-Class

I must say, I can't see BA admitting that they got it wrong in terms of the new Mid-J positionning of Club World. It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.

Regards
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:28 pm

BA knew from the start that mid-J would have its drawbacks - namely dis-embarkation before Club. They admitted this, and there was no 'suprise' when the aircraft came online.

Fact is, it was the most econmical use of space that one the day. Converting all the Low-J to High J would mean too many J class seats. Every other configuration option was considered, including moving FIRST to upper deck, moving WT+ to upper deck etc etc. But the configuration that offered the best use of available space was the current design.

It's not perfect, but it is incredible how fast people adapt. Remember when the rearward facing CLUB seat was first announced years ago? The furore that no-one would be interested in flying in a seat facing rearwards.......?
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting GBOAC (Reply 15):

Good reply, thanks.
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 16):
Here you go:

BA Boeing 777-200 4-Class

BA Boeing 777-200 3-Class

I must say, I can't see BA admitting that they got it wrong in terms of the new Mid-J positionning of Club World. It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.

Regards

Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 14):
Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.

Just got back from TPA Asked the crew and they confirmed they only use only 2 777 configs ex LGW they are:

0F/40J/24W/216Y - a/c reg G-VIIO/P/R and there is 1 more. a/c have no crew rest area. They use seats in the cabin instead

14F/48J/40W/122Y - a/c reg G-VIIA-N And G-VIIS-Y These a/c are rotated with LHR as required

The Other Configs you will see ex LHR are

17F/48J/24W/127Y - a/c reg G-ZZZA-C

13F/48J/32W/127Y - a/c reg G-YMMG-P

0F/36J/24W/212Y - a/c reg G-YMMA-F a/c has less J and Y seats as LGW 3 class a/c due to space taken for crew rest areas

Hope this is some help
 
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RE: BA 747 Configurations

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 16):
It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.

The conversion of the 'Lo J' fleet to 'Mid J' configuration increases BA's total number of Club World seats by 8 per cent. As you say this is far from 'non-negligible' and illustrates the BA strategy of focusing on premium class traffic and not total passengers carried.

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 20):
0F/40J/24W/216Y - a/c reg G-VIIO/P/R and there is 1 more

The fourth aircraft with the high density configuration is G-VIIT.

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