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787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:45 pm

Hello All,

I took-off from LGA 2 mornings ago and as I was looking around, it seemed that the largest plane on the ground at the time was a 757. I've flown DL's 762 there from ATL (Spirit of Delta, lucky for me) when they flew there. So the question is, will any/all variants of the 787 be able to operate from LGA, DCA, or similar airports? Thanks.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:50 pm

Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan. Almost the same for LGA, though the 783 should be within the weight limits at LGA, and wingspan-wise, it would fit into gates currently used by the 764. That said, I doubt we will see any 783 being operated into LGA.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:51 am

I do not think that 787 will ever come to DCA due to limit length of urnway. It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway. I used to live in DCA so basically I used DCA on my trip to IND. Pilots will always use full power when taking off. It was so faster.

Boeing 787 will be able to do the BWI and IAD due to long runway so that 787 will be able to stop at good lenght. So DCA is out of question for 787 to fly into DCA
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:07 am

After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish. I don't know if this rule still exists, but if it does, it would definitely end the chances of the 787 at DCA.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3):
After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish. I don't know if this rule still exists, but if it does, it would definitely end the chances of the 787 at DCA.

If any such rule still exists, it's gotta be at least 175 or so, as several airlines bring 752s in. I've never heard of such a rule, but it wouldn't be surprising. Most flights on large planes are naturally limited because of runway length and the perimeter rules anyway though.

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.

The 757s seem to have less trouble with the short runway taking off than the really loaded 738s and MadDogs, from what I've seen and flown on.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:40 am

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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.

 redflag 
757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD. SNA's runway is significantly shorter than DCA's, and with DCA's perimeter rule the SNA-ORD flights would loaded at least as much as your average DCA jaunt. The 757 is WELL known as being a rocket ship, DCA is the kind of airport they excel at.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:09 am

I would flying out of DCA aboard 757 on DL and US. If I remember correctly, the pilot would have engines on full power before taking off. I think it is very powerful and fast because next thing we know we were in air. I felt like we were on runway for short time before taking off. I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
I would flying out of DCA aboard 757 on DL and US. If I remember correctly, the pilot would have engines on full power before taking off. I think it is very powerful and fast because next thing we know we were in air. I felt like we were on runway for short time before taking off. I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.

Seems inconsistent with...

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA.

The 757 can handle DCA with relative ease.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.

It's called flex takeoff. You don't floor your car every time you start from a stop sign do you, so why use all the available power from your jet engines if you don't have to on a long runway?

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 8):
Seems inconsistent with...

Glad someone else noticed it too.  Wink
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
I do not think that 787 will ever come to DCA due to limit length of urnway. It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway. I used to live in DCA so basically I used DCA on my trip to IND. Pilots will always use full power when taking off. It was so faster.

Boeing 787 will be able to do the BWI and IAD due to long runway so that 787 will be able to stop at good lenght. So DCA is out of question for 787 to fly into DCA

The planes do not use full power on takeoff from DCA.

Also, I remember when a diverted DC-10 landed at DCA a few years ago. That had to use full power and practically remove all the weight to get out of there. I would think it is possible for a future 787, but no one knows yet if it can.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:37 am

IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile. I'm not sure why they discontinued them (economic or restrictions). I believe the 757 is as big as DCA will ever see now.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Dkf747 (Reply 10):
a diverted DC-10 landed at DCA a few years ago. That had to use full power and practically remove all the weight to get out of there.

UA scheduled DC-10s to California off Kona's 6500-ft runway for a couple years.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 11):
IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile.

Bet you can't find a timetable showing that.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 12):
Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 11):
IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile.

Bet you can't find a timetable showing that.

Eastern used te A300 on shuttle flights between LGA and BOS, but not DCA.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:16 am

The 787 could easily do LGA, the formula for LGA besides runway length for what can and cannot has nothing to do with "size" though gate does play into it at LGA. The actual reason some airplanes cannot go into LGA though size and runway may not be an issue is the weight supported on each bogey of the gear when you divide it up. LGA has a good chunk of runway built on peirs and they have certain weight peramiters that have to be followed or you might go swimming next time you touch down on 22.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting N710PS (Reply 14):
The 787 could easily do LGA, the formula for LGA besides runway length for what can and cannot has nothing to do with "size" though gate does play into it at LGA. The actual reason some airplanes cannot go into LGA though size and runway may not be an issue is the weight supported on each bogey of the gear when you divide it up. LGA has a good chunk of runway built on peirs and they have certain weight peramiters that have to be followed or you might go swimming next time you touch down on 22.

LGA use to handle L-1011 from DL and eastern so no problems for 787
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:10 am

i flew on Delta in 2001 from MCO-LGA (then DL2124) on a 763... you could really feel the plane braking hard. Full plane, too (269pax).
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:13 am

I would also like to note a little known fact tghat the 777-200 was designed with LGA operations in mind as well whjich is the reason they offered the folding wing tips as well.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 12):
Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 11):
IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile.

Bet you can't find a timetable showing that.

Lets put it this way, I've seen photos of it at DCA. EA's timetables normally did not mention a/c type used on the Shuttle other than in the early 70's when it mentioned an Electra used on one DCA-LGA-DCA r/t.

The pics I saw may have been substitutions or whatever, but it was flown in there from time to time. I stand corrected if it was not scheduled.

Edited for crappy spelling.

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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
It's called flex takeoff. You don't floor your car every time you start from a stop sign do you, so why use all the available power from your jet engines if you don't have to on a long runway?

Right, but you also have to consider that LAS and DEN are at altitude. Traffic is also a factor; crews may be instructed to "expedite" their departure if an inbound is breathing down their neck.


I'd love to see a 783 at DCA but would think that a domestic carrier with the intent to use the 783 out of DCA would actually use it. DCA isn't a "hub" or "focus city" for much of anyone; IMO, it'd be pretty silly to use an aircraft of that size and capability at an airport that's driven more on a demand for frequency than capacity. Most of the flights originate east of the Mississippi, save for some to.from IAH, DFW, DEN and MSY (I think). RJs rule the land on the Anacostia.

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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD.

I'm on one of those flights next week.. biggrin 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.
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757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD. SNA's runway is significantly shorter than DCA's, and with DCA's perimeter rule the SNA-ORD flights would loaded at least as much as your average DCA jaunt. The 757 is WELL known as being a rocket ship, DCA is the kind of airport they excel at.

Challenge for the 757 to operate at DCA?  rotfl  I've sat in the RCC many an hour watching the UA and NW 752's use far less runway than other aircraft.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:10 am

I have non reved on full boat 757's and been off faster than most as well.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7):
I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.

I was on US 5 back on 13 April 2000 from MCO-PIT, and I seem to remember that 752 using more runway as well... Awesome aircraft BTW!!!  Smile

I do have to say, I don't think the 787 will land at LGA or DCA. For one thing, isn't US the only airline with a focus city in DCA, or am I wrong about that? US is still pushing for the A350, not the 787...
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3):
After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish



Quoting IADCA (Reply 4):
it's gotta be at least 175 or so,

TZ's 752s have 200 seats, had 218 (I think) prior to that, so bump the number up a bit more. TZ seldom uses 757s at DCA anymore, but did post 9/11.

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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 23):
For one thing, isn't US the only airline with a focus city in DCA, or am I wrong about that?


I'm not sure what the criteria are, but I'd say so (from FlyteComm). I can just see a US 783 climbing out of DCA and gracefully banking over the outer loop of 495 en route to...ALB!!!  rotfl 

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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 19):
Most of the flights originate east of the Mississippi, save for some to.from IAH, DFW, DEN and MSY (I think). RJs rule the land on the Anacostia.

That's because of the 1250-mile perimeter rule, not the market demand. IAH and DFW are within that perimeter, as are MCI, OMA, STL, BTR, and MSY. DEN, PHX, LAX, SEA, SLC are all outside. All have nonstops. Most are east of the Mississippi because US's focus city operation, the business travel market up and down the east coast, and the perimeter rule. Airlines would gladly add more long flights if only they were allowed.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 18):
I've seen photos of [an EA A300] at DCA.

I think I have too-- they were trying it, hoping for approval to use it on scheduled flights-- which I'm pretty sure they never got.

Like he said, EA used the A300 LGA-BOS for a time, and OAGs during that time just show 72S's LGA-DCA.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:01 am

The A-300 was indeed an approved plane at LGA as was the DC-10 the L1011 and currently all models of 767.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:56 am

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And plenty of photos of B767's at LGA too....no need to debate any of these. The B787 could certainly operate from LaGuardia. As for Reagan National, I can't find a photo of any widebody at DCA, ever. airplane 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD. SNA's runway is significantly shorter than DCA's, and with DCA's perimeter rule the SNA-ORD flights would loaded at least as much as your average DCA jaunt. The 757 is WELL known as being a rocket ship, DCA is the kind of airport they excel at.

On memorable flight was very early one cold windy morning on a half-full NW 757 taking off from BWI. There was a significant headwind. We lifted off the runway in less than 2000 ft. One minure we were starting the take-off roll, the next monent we were rocketing into the air. Amazing. On exiting the plane at DTW I mentioned it to the FO who confirmed that they used under 2000 ft of runway and it was done at less than full power (think he said 80% but I could be wrong)
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):
They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway. I used to live in DCA so basically I used DCA on my trip to IND. Pilots will always use full power when taking off. It was so faster.

We de-rate in the 737 at DCA with no problems and the 737 is a pig compared to the 757. The 757 does just fine at DCA.
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 12):
UA scheduled DC-10s to California off Kona's 6500-ft runway for a couple years.

Are you sure those were Kona to LAX/SFO non-stop? Most of those type of Hawaii routes involved a stop somewhere else on the way back (typically HNL) due to
1) Catering
2) Range with full pax, bags, and presumably some cargo too.

PS I see a 1999 article on 747s from SFO to Kona.

Also see a 1997 article mentioning "Because the Kona runway was lengthened from 6,500 feet to 11,000, fully loaded planes have room to take off during Kona winds."
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 32):
Are you sure those were Kona to LAX/SFO non-stop

You remember UA 40, the KOA-SFO nonstop was UA's last scheduled DC-8-71 flight, in 1991. DC-10s took over; the flight remained nonstop. The runway was extended around 1994.

No idea whether they used DC-10-10s on KOA-SFO.
 
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RE: 787 To LGA Or DCA?

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:50 am

Thanks all of you for your answers.

I posted this in response to this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3464909

The idea being, if larger planes can be used in lieu of frequency, perhaps the NYC airspace overcrowding problem can be curbed. I would much rather have less choices and more on-time performance in and out of NYC. Wouldn't you? The 787 could do that the NYC metros.
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