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Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:37 pm

John Travolta has filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the operators of the airport adjacent to his home lied to the FAA to prevent him from flying his 707 in and out. Travolta claims the airport operator falsely told the FAA the runway was not safe for a plane the size of the 707....

http://www.ocala.com/article/20070721/NEWS/207210343/1025/NEWS

He filed another suit in state court recently against the airport operator and the developers of Jumbolair where he lives....

http://www.ocala.com/article/2007071.../207160325&SearchID=73287834247826

I've seen his 707 parked at OCF quite a few times lately... I guess he doesn't like having to drive home from the airport...

Actually, Greystone Airport where he lives has been the subject of several lawsuits over the last twenty years....
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:25 am

Sounds like Travolta is going to end up owning an airport. He has a very strong case and the lawyers to push it. I seriously doubt he will walk away from this. The fact that he was given permission to use the airport and that he bought the land and built the house because of it only 6 years ago, and now the runway is "Unsafe" is not going to go down well.

It is interesting that he is suing in both state and federal courts. The latter suit could force the FAA to award the airport license to the new owner of the runway and property.

Also interesting is that one article noted that the runway is only 2 inches thick, which wouldn't survive even one landing of a 707 so I am looking forward to what the "inspection" shows. It sounds like a bunch of "good-old" boys got into a fight and made the very bad mistake of involving someone with a lot of money and a room full of lawyers. I am sure JT does not have "legal beagles" in his employ, but "legal pitbulls".

Note to MaidensGator -- please post any updates. After all, a man's hangar is his home, at least in this case. [yes]
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:43 am

Looks like the last time he has been out of Greystone (Jumbolair) was back in January.
Wonder if Ocala (KOCF) is charging him landing fees?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N707JT/history
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 2):
Looks like the last time he has been out of Greystone (Jumbolair) was back in January.
Wonder if Ocala (KOCF) is charging him landing fees?

I suspect he can afford it. More than likely they charge the tourists to look at it. "Yessir, Ladies and Gentlemen! This way to the John Travolta 707! Only $5, with children under ten free! Right this way!"

And if he has not been able to use Greystone for 7 months, as you suggest, I would guess he is really, really p#ssed.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:52 am

From the second article in the OP.

Quote:
Garemore originally built the main runway in the early 1980s to accommodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones...



Quote:
Garemore said the runway is unfit for large planes. "The bottom line of this whole thing is, it's a safety issue. The runway is not designed for a 707," he said.

How can the Garemores say the runway wasn't designed for 707s when the reason why the runway was built was to accomodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones?
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
I've seen his 707 parked at OCF quite a few times lately

When I was flying in and out of OCF regularly at the beginning of the year I used to see it there regularly also. A bit of an odd feeling being sandwiched in between that and a Kittyhawk 727F in my little PA28  Smile

Quoting Poitin (Reply 3):
More than likely they charge the tourists to look at it

 Smile I was talking to the FBO who said they were having to be extra careful locking the automatic doors onto the apron because of people wanting to take a look at it.


Took this as I taxied past it:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/LHRjc/IMG_0037.jpg

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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:51 am

It'll be interesting whether the actual inspection of the runway scheduled for early August (mentioned in the 2nd article linked above) confirms/refutes the contention the condition of the asphalt on the first 1,800 feet of the 7,550 foot runway is as bad as the airport operator claims. If it is, FOD would be a legitimate concern, especially at the beginning of the takeoff roll., and a 707 takeoff could make it worse for -all- aircraft.

Several years ago at SAN, a L-1011 tookoff from runway 27, and the jetblast picked up pieces of asphalt (in the displaced landing threshold area) and sent them flying. They immediately closed the runway for temporary repairs, but at a single runway airport (airline aircraft couldn't use 13-31 which existed back then), even a 2-3 hour closure was an operational pain in the arse, and diversions to LAX, ONT, LGB, LAS, and PHX ensued.

If the inspection of 17FL shows the runway condition there is not as dire as reported, it gives JT's lawyers all the more ammo to use in court...

As far as the airport operator's comments about 17FL's runway being unsuitable for a 707, it also has to be acknowledged (which I don't think he's doing) that JT's 707 isn't operating anywhere near it's maximum structural takeoff or landing weights, and weights are another factor in runway suitability. If JT's 707 was operating 10 daily flights in/out with 150 passengers (yes, I know it's not configured for that many), that'd be more wear-and-tear on the runway than his aircraft operating in/out with 10-20 passengers once or twice a week.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:05 am

Here is another link to it. He seems pretty ticked off.

http://www.comcast.net/entertainment...7/20/232779.html&cvqh=itn_travolta  hissyfit 
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting PIT (Reply 7):
Here is another link to it. He seems pretty ticked off.

"Another issue at hand" is JT's current movie? I don't see how, but at least JT is enjoying another plug for the movie.  Wink
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
JT's 707 isn't operating anywhere near it's maximum structural takeoff or landing weights,

Unless the Weight and Balance for the plane has been redone, I don't think that argument would hold up since the plane can go up to the max structural weight and day that JT feels like it. If JT had the Max Gross Weight lowered though, then that argument would probably work quite well.

I remember a thread talking about how BA lowered the Max Gross Weight on some 757's so they wouldn't be charged more pricey landing fees when they weren't anywhere near the max gross weight. I'm assuming JT could do the same right?
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:08 am

How often does JT fly his 707?

Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging (if he needs an aircraft at all). Sure its nice to see a 707 still flying around and looking fantastic but I wonder if he is not being a tad irresponsible in terms of how much mileage he does in the gas guzzling beast.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:18 am

As I mentioned in the thread opener, the dispute between Jumbolair and Garemore has been going on for nearly two decades. Last year, a Florida court ruled against Jumbolair in one of their ongoing lawsuits. After that judgment was entered, Travolta tried to intervene in the case, but was not allowed to because his request was untimely, final judgment having already been entered. Hence, these recent lawsuits by Travolta. Jumbolair is currently appealing the judgment in favor of Garemore. If anyone is interested, I've posted a copy of the Garemore/Jumbolair judgment at the following link. It gives a pretty good history of the property dispute.

http://www.badongo.com/file/3817135
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 10):
Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging

Maybe he's one of the mystery buyers of a 747-8VIP...  stirthepot 
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 9):
Unless the Weight and Balance for the plane has been redone, I don't think that argument would hold up since the plane can go up to the max structural weight and day that JT feels like it. If JT had the Max Gross Weight lowered though, then that argument would probably work quite well.

True, but you're missing my point, which was that even though the aircraft may be capable of the max structural takeoff and landing weights, JT's past use in/out of 17FL has been at much lower weights given the aircraft's configuration, and thus less wear-and-tear on the runway. Now, he if he goes and tries to cram 150 folks into it, that's a different story.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:47 am

Why did he make such a large financial investment (His Home) on "Verbal Agreements"?
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 10):
Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging (if he needs an aircraft at all).

I believe he also has a GII (GIII?) at his hacienda.
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
If the inspection of 17FL shows the runway condition there is not as dire as reported, it gives JT's lawyers all the more ammo to use in court...

More than that, why did the owner of the airport give him permission to use the airport in 2001 and then allow him to use it for 5 more years? My bet is on JT and his pack of lawyers. While not a slam-dunk, it will probably be an easy win, particularly given the airport was originally designed for a 707, and it was used for years by JT without damage -- or at least reported.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
If anyone is interested, I've posted a copy of the Garemore/Jumbolair judgment at the following link. It gives a pretty good history of the property dispute.

http://www.badongo.com/file/3817135

The case reads like a bad movie script but it is interesting that both parties admit JT has rights to use the airport. Now, all of a sudden, he can't land his 707 on it. It really is a case where two good-old boys and one ex-wife are playing games with each other and they made the very bad mistake of p#ssing off a man with lots of money and lawyers. Garemore is gonna lose big time. At best, he will have to upgrade the runway to take N707JT, and at worst, JT will have to fix his new runway himself.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
but at least JT is enjoying another plug for the movie.

He should show up in court in drag like off of "Hair Spray!!"  rotfl 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 15):
I believe he also has a GII (GIII?) at his hacienda

I believe it's a G-II - N492JT. I think that's it parked to the left of the 707 in the image above.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:06 pm

John should rebuild a B36 and take off from there on his way out of town. Their windows would still be falling out a year from now and they would be eating off of broken china and dealing with half-mad dogs and cats forever.
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
John Travolta has filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the operators of the airport adjacent to his home lied to the FAA to prevent him from flying his 707 in and out. Travolta claims the airport operator falsely told the FAA the runway was not safe for a plane the size of the 707....

They knew full well he would be using the runway for his 707. They built the place specifically for 707s. If anything, they have a duty to make sure the runway will work for 707s

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
Also interesting is that one article noted that the runway is only 2 inches thick

Someone is FOS

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 4):
How can the Garemores say the runway wasn't designed for 707s when the reason why the runway was built was to accomodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones?

Exactly

Quoting Beau222 (Reply 14):
Why did he make such a large financial investment (His Home) on "Verbal Agreements"?

He didn't. You can't execute a deed on a "verbal agreement" and you can't run an HOA, which is what Jumbolair really is, on a "verbal agreement". Even if there was some sort of oral agreement, he has relied on that runway for more than 5 years and any claim to the contrary for him to use his 707 there would be estopped. This thing with the FAA is just their way around directly breaching the contract they have with Travolta.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
now the runway is "Unsafe"

It looked ok then:
Travoltas Private Airfiled (by Mik Jan 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:57 pm

they are afraid he will put rocket engines on his 707 much like how scientology was founded with dc8's with rocket engines. that is all it is they are afraid of noise complaints.
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Someone is FOS

No doubt. 2" thick would be shreded with a single pass of a 707.
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:11 am

Does 17F operator James Garemore really want someone else (Travolta and the Thayers) to pay for a completely new runway? There are photos of the runway showing large cracks and disrepair which suggest its weight bearing capacity isn't up to the stresses of a Boeing 707 even at severely restricted gross weights. The knee jerk reaction is to take Travolta's position, but what would happen if one of those JT3's sucked in some FOD, and spit out compressor and stator blades out the rear? Just think of the headlines: "Actor Travolta Heroically Lands His Jet On Only Three Engines" after foreign object ingestion.

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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:27 am

I'm sure his 'uppety-up' neighbors have to love when their houses get rattled when that 707 comes in. Didn't he get in trouble in BGR for flybys that the neighbors didn't like ?
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 10):
Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging (if he needs an aircraft at all). Sure its nice to see a 707 still flying around and looking fantastic but I wonder if he is not being a tad irresponsible in terms of how much mileage he does in the gas guzzling beast.

Who the hell cares? It's a heck of a nice plane and good to see at least one example of it still patroling the skies. Let him make all the smoke he wants.

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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:51 am

i think that ruling provided above sums it up best. To paraphrase it, it bascially said that these people were friends, became business partners, and then things went bad. so you've got people with money and they're fighting.

But if the runway is unsafe, then its better to do it pre-emptively.
 
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 24):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Someone is FOS

No doubt. 2" thick would be shreded with a single pass of a 707.

I think anything heavier than a 172 would damage a 2" thick asphalt runway on a warm day, and remember it is in Florida.

As I said, this reads like a really bad movie script.

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 26):
I'm sure his 'uppety-up' neighbors have to love when their houses get rattled when that 707 comes in. Didn't he get in trouble in BGR for flybys that the neighbors didn't like ?

I doubt it -- they all have airplanes, many of which are jets. Besides, they live "next door" JT and his 707. I live next to a private airpark and the airplanes don't bother the neighbors and we don't have anyone like JT, or a 707. A couple Barons, but that is about it. We do have one turboprop homebuilt being built, but it makes less noise than the Waco.
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 15):
I believe he also has a GII (GIII?) at his hacienda

I believe it's a G-II - N492JT

Assuming he still has the GII, it's a relative antique too...37 years old, built 1970. It's only 6 years younger than his 707. It has had winglets added at some point.


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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:16 am

For anyone thats interested, on Google Maps/Earth the 707 is parked at his home

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&...pn=0.002087,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting PIT (Reply 7):
Here is another link to it

I read the article....the quote I got a buzz out of was...."his jumbo jet..."
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RE: Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707

Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 31):
For anyone thats interested, on Google Maps/Earth the 707 is parked at his home

Hmmm...Wonder what the date of that picture is. The runway looks freshly paved. It is definately an updated picture.