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KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:36 am

I was looking at the names KLM uses for if's MD-11 fleet, all famous women, and while i recognized most, Audrey Hepburn, Florence Nightingale, Maria Callas to name a few, PH-KCA is named Amy Johnson, can anyone enlighten me as to who this person was?

Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:03 am

Amy Johnson (1 July 1903 – 5 January 1941) C.B.E. was a pioneering British aviatrix who was born in Kingston upon Hull.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

Nope. There will no MD11s in service at KLM at that time  Smile
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:08 am

Amy Johnson was a British aviator. She was the first woman to fly solo from England (Croydon) to Australia (Darwin) taking 19 days in May 1930. Subsequently she broke various records including England-Japan (via Moscow) and London-Cape Town (twice).

She was killed in 1941 when the Airspeed Oxford she was flying from Blackpool to Oxford got lost in bad weather and eventually crashed into the Thames Estuary.
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:50 pm

Hi!

I really like the way KL name their planes...truly global and a great way to pay tribute to famous people around the world. I cannot forget that KL named a DC-8-63 with a famous portuguese navigator, Vasco da Gama., PH-DEH.


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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

Too political a move, would never happen.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:16 pm

Here are all the KLM MD-11s with their names, all famous women.

PH-KCA : Amy Johnson
-KCB: Maria Montessori
-KCC: Marie Curie
-KCD: Florence Nightingale
-KCE: Audrey Hepburn
-KCF: Annie Romein
-KCG: Maria Callas
-KCH: Anna Pavlova
-KCI: Moeder Teresa
-KCK: Ingrid Bergman


Their 744s are named after cities, 737s after birds, 777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.




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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:26 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 3):
I cannot forget that KL named a DC-8-63 with a famous portuguese navigator, Vasco da Gama., PH-DEH



Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
Their 744s are named after cities, 737s after birds, 777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.

Only the 737NG are named after birds, the 737 classics are named after famous explorers. The name Vasco da Gama lives on in the KLM fleet:


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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

I don't think so firstly because all those women were dead when each aircraft received their names, and because those were great women in domains outside politic: art, science, social/humanitarian,...

And if KL was to name an aircraft after the first female as head of state/government, how about Angela Merkel ?

Quoting Jano (Reply 1):
Nope. There will no MD11s in service at KLM at that time

You do realise that he only said aircraft, not MD-11, so the chance of this happening...  Wink
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:38 pm

Hi KL557!

I didn't knew that KL kept "our Vasco da Gama" in their fleet...very neat indeed! Unfortunately we don't see in LIS many 737 Classics anymore! But I can assure you that regarding PH-DEH every time we saw it here it was a great moment...specially because during those days ( KL had a flight in 1980 that served Paramaribo via a tech. stop at LIS with the good old DC-8-63!!! I saw all KL DC-8-63 fleet in LIS at that time!!! ) seeing PH-DEH was quite a nice moment.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:13 pm

They're all famous, outstanding women, pioneers for their time. It's really nice that the first MD11-name was in honour of an aviation figure.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
And if KL was to name an aircraft after the first female as head of state/government, how about Angela Merkel ?

Or even Margaret Thatcher who beat Angela Merkel as head of government by more than a quarter of a century. But neither of them were the first female head of government. They were preceded by the Indian Prime Minister, Mrs Nehru, and she was preceded by the Prime Minister of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) in 1'960, Mrs Srimavo Bandaranaike. Indeed Mrs Bandaranaike's daughter, Chandrika Kumaratunja, also became Prime Minister of Sri Lanka before Mrs Merkel became the German Chancellor. While Mrs Bandaranaike was the first female head of a democratic government she was preceded by many female heads of state including the British Queens Elizabeth I (died 1603) and Victoria (died 1901).
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:20 am

I think it is a very nice custom of airlines to name their planes, something that many more should do IMHO.
KLM could be a bit more patriotic by naming aircraft after locations in the Netherlands, but I suppose that many of those places would be very difficult to pronounce by most people!

We could make a list of airlines that name their planes. I'll make a start with European airlines>

- Aer Lingus
- Alitalia
- Iberia
- KLM
- Lufthansa
- Martinair
- SAS
- Turkish Airlines
- Virgin Atlantic
- Vueling
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
Their 744s are named after cities

So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
You do realise that he only said aircraft, not MD-11, so the chance of this happening...

But only MD11s are named after famous women.

In order for this to ever happen KLM would have to order a new type of airplane. Looking at the name scheme of the last ordered types

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.



Quoting KL577 (Reply 6):
Only the 737NG are named after birds



KLM seems to be going in a different direction, which is a smart move, it's less controversial, but very inclusive.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):
So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

A 747-306M, the PH-BUU.

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):

KLM seems to be going in a different direction, which is a smart move, it's less controversial, but very inclusive.

Not really, the 767's had names of bridges, and the birdnames were previously on the DC-2/3s
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):
So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

That would have been PH-BUU, a '300 series.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:08 am

These were the names of KL's B747-200/300:

PH-BUA - Mississippi
PH-BUB - Danube
PH-BUC - Amazone
PH-BUD- Nile
PH-BUE- Rio de la Plata
PH-BUF - Rhine (lost in Tenerife crash)
PH-BUG - Orinoco
PH-BUH - Albert Plesman (currently KL's first A330 PH-AOA is named A.Plesman)
PH-BUI - Wilbur Wright
PH-BUK - Louis Bleriot
PH-BUL - Charles A. Lindbergh
PH-BUM - Sir Charles E Kingsford Smith
PH-BUN - Anthony HG Fokker
PH-BUO - Missouri
PH-BUP - Ganges
PH-BUR - Indus
PH-BUT - Admiral Richard E Byrd
PH-BUU - Sir Frank Whittle
PH-BUV - Sir Geoffrey De Haviland
PH-BUW - Leonardo da Vinci

All aircraft withdrawn from (KL) service.
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 15):
PH-BUH - Albert Plesman (currently KL's first A330 PH-AOA is named A.Plesman)

Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA that is called Albert Plesman. PH-AOA is named Dam-Amsterdam.
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 16):
Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA

Oops,  Wow! , you're right.....  embarrassed 
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 16):
Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA that is called Albert Plesman

Fact: she was already baptised 'Acropolis' when someone realized they needed an 'Albert Plesman'!
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 18):
Fact: she was already baptised 'Acropolis' when someone realized they needed an 'Albert Plesman'!

LOL, never knew that! Any pictures of that?
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:28 am

thanks for all the great responses!

what i thought interesting was that here is this woman, Amy Johnson, who made many hazardous journeys all over the world, and yet she met her end on what seems like such a simple trip from one part of england to another
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
British Queens Elizabeth I (died 1603)

...and her half-sister Mary right before her...
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting Levent (Reply 11):
I suppose that many of those places would be very difficult to pronounce by most people!

"KLM's 'shlipen shoopen kragens achtuvernacht.' is the newest of the KLM fleet."  Wink
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:42 pm

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):
"KLM's 'shlipen shoopen kragens achtuvernacht.' is the newest of the KLM fleet."

Ha, ha... what about Roelofsarendsveen or 's Gravenhage? Or Scheveningen - an old time favourite!
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:06 pm

Quoting Levent (Reply 23):
Roelofsarendsveen

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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
And if KL was to name an aircraft after the first female as head of state/government, how about Angela Merkel ?



Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
Or even Margaret Thatcher who beat Angela Merkel as head of government by more than a quarter of a century. But neither of them were the first female head of government. They were preceded by the Indian Prime Minister, Mrs Nehru, and she was preceded by the Prime Minister of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) in 1'960, Mrs Srimavo Bandaranaike. Indeed Mrs Bandaranaike's daughter, Chandrika Kumaratunja, also became Prime Minister of Sri Lanka before Mrs Merkel became the German Chancellor.

Golda Meir was the Prime Minister of Israel from March 1969 to April 1974. As such, she was the third women to become Head of State in the 20th Century, after Sirimavo Bandaranaike in Sri Lanka et Indira Gandhi in India.

Quoting Levent (Reply 11):
We could make a list of airlines that name their planes. I'll make a start with European airlines>

- Aer Lingus
- Alitalia
- Iberia
- KLM
- Lufthansa
- Martinair
- SAS
- Turkish Airlines
- Virgin Atlantic
- Vueling

In the good old days, Air France was also used to name its aircraft.

B707 were named after famous French castles :

F-BHSA = Château de Versailles
F-BHSB = Château de Chambord
F-BHSC = Château de Fontainebleau
F-BHSD = Château de Chenonceaux

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Air France Caravelles were named after French Regions :

F-BHRA = Alsace
F-BHRB = Lorraine
F-BHRC = Anjou
F-BHRD = Guyanne
F-BHRE = Artois
F-BHRF = Auvergne
F-BHRG = Berry

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The last AF aircraft to be named (after cities) were the A320 :

F-GFKA = Ville de Paris
F-GFKB = Ville de Rome
F-GFKC = Ville d'Amsterdam
F-GFKD = Ville de Londres
F-GFKE = Ville de Bonn
F-GFKF = Ville de Madrid
F-GFKG = Ville d'Amsterdam
F-GFKH = Ville de Bruxelles
F-GFKI = Ville de Lisbonne
F-GFKJ = Ville de Copenhague
F-GFKK = Ville d'Athenes
F-GFKL = Ville de Dublin
F-GFKQ = Ville de Berlin

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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 18):
Fact: she was already baptised 'Acropolis' when someone realized they needed an 'Albert Plesman'!



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 19):
LOL, never knew that! Any pictures of that?

Unfortunately, the name "Acropolis" is under the sticker ' KLM B777"
 
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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

Then they could name an aircraft after

Indria Gandhi
Eva Peron
Angel Merckel
Michelle Bachelet
Ellen Sirleaf....etc

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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 4):
Too political a move, would never happen.

Maybe down the line. Certainly not while she's still alive.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
Their 744s are named after cities, 737s after birds, 777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.

There are exceptions in each I believe.

An we can not forget this KL bird, albeit with a temporary name which I started a thread about a while back: Disgusted With KLM (by YOWza Feb 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20040316/ai_n12773653

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RE: KLM A/c Name Significance Question

Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 25):
Air France Caravelles were named after French Regions :

F-BHRA = Alsace
F-BHRB = Lorraine
F-BHRC = Anjou
F-BHRD = Guyanne
F-BHRE = Artois
F-BHRF = Auvergne
F-BHRG = Berry

etc ...

Interstingly, UA also named their 20 Caravelles (in service 1960-61 to 1970-72) for French cities, with the name shown in French, although UA had no international routes (apart from YVR and YYZ).

N1001U VILLE DE TOULOUSE
N1002U VILLE DE CAHORS
N1003U VILLE DE MARSEILLE
N1004U VILLE DE PARIS
N1005U VILLE DE GRENOBLE
N1006U VILLE DE SAINTES
N1007U VILLE DE COUNTENCES
N1008U VILLE DE ROCHEFORT
N1009U VILLE DE ROUEN
N1010U VILLE DE STRASBOURG
N1011U VILLE DE DIJON
N1012U VILLE DE LILLE
N1013U VILLE DE ARLES
N1014U VILLE DE NICE
N1015U VILLE DE SAINT-NAZAIRE
N1016U VILLE DE NANTES
N1017U VILLE DE CANNES
N1018U VILLE DE BORDEAUX
N1019U VILLE DE LYON
N1020U VILLE DE CALAIS

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