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Fatal Air Crashes In Florida With 15 Or More Killed?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:12 am

Off the top of my head I can only think of three major fatal air crashes in Florida, and all were in the Miami area, where more than 15 perished.


The first - the Eastern L1011 that crashed in the Everglades

The second - the Valuejet DC-9 in the Everglades in 1996

The third - the Chalks Turbo mallard that crashed off of the coast of Miami last year.


I can't think of any major crashes that occured at MCO, TPA, JAX, RSW or FLL.
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:24 am

There's been numerous others fitting that criteria...

Jacksonville has had an Eastern Constellation crash (at the former airport, Imeson) and a PBA EMB-110 crash.

Miami had a couple of Curtis C-46 crashes back in about 1950/51 with significant loss of life... also a Northwest Orient B720 that went down in the Everglades in 1963 killing all on board.

Also, I believe Cubana had a crash in the Keys back in the 50s as well.
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:43 am

There was the NWA (or NW Orient as it was known then) 720 crash in 63 in the Everglades that killed 43
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19630212-0
Also see Air disaster Volume 1 Chapter 2

Another crash was the Eastern Connie crash on approach to the old Imeson Airport in Jacksonville in December of 1955 that killed 17
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19551221-0
Also see Air disaster Volume 4 chapter 7
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:50 am

That title thread is a little misleading there NASCAR... I thought there were multiple plane crashes today...
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
15 Or More Killed

Why did you pick 15? Is that an arbitrary number?
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:09 pm

National 727 into Escambia Bay on approach to Pensacola.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:52 pm

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 3):
That title thread is a little misleading there NASCAR... I thought there were multiple plane crashes today...

Yeah you are right. Now I am trying to figure out how to edit the title to something like "Historical Fatal Air Crashes in Florida"

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Why did you pick 15? Is that an arbitrary number?

I picked 15 because that is the size of at least a small airliner like a Beech 99, Emb-110 etc. I thought of this last week when the Cessna 310 crashed in Sanford killing 2 on the plane and 3 on the ground.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 3):
That title thread is a little misleading there NASCAR... I thought there were multiple plane crashes today...

You got that right. I was expecting to open up seeing something about mid-air collisions or the like... I think that explains why the thread has almost 2000 views and few replies...

[Edited 2007-07-22 20:57:51]
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:44 am

This is kind of a morbid topic, isn't it?
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
Fatal Air Crashes In Florida - 15 Or More Killed

You scared me for a moment there....

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
The first - the Eastern L1011 that crashed in the Everglades

Isn't there a rumor about a ghost haunting an Eastern L1011 because of that crash? I thought I read about that on here a while back.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Leothedog (Reply 8):
This is kind of a morbid topic, isn't it?

I agree 100% with you. It is kind of morbid.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 5):
National 727 into Escambia Bay on approach to Pensacola.

Three died.
A 29 year old year woman, a 50 year old woman and a 62 year old man. Drowning, not impact was the cause.
I have the newspaper article about that one.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting Jpax (Reply 7):
almost 2000 views and few replies

Over 6,000 now!!  sarcastic 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:42 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter):
I can't think of any major crashes that occured at MCO, TPA, JAX, RSW or FLL.

PBA Flight 1039, EMB-110 Bandeirante near JAX, December 6, 1984, 13 killed.

http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR86-04.pdf

I couldn't resist posting, but I do admit this is a rather morbid topic. In my opinion, air disasters are one, if not the most, horrific ways one (or many) can perish. However, I do find it extremely interesting to investigate and understand the failures, mistakes, etc. as to why it happened.
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Fatal Air Crashes In Florida With 15 Or More Killed?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:57 am

Quoting Jpax (Reply 7):
You got that right. I was expecting to open up seeing something about mid-air collisions or the like... I think that explains why the thread has almost 2000 views and few replies...

Will somebody please tell me how to edit the title then? I want to change it to Historical Fatal Crashes in Florida

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 10):
I agree 100% with you. It is kind of morbid.

Any worse than this?
First Ever Crash For Each Aircraft Type (by FlySSC Jul 21 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
Will somebody please tell me how to edit the title then? I want to change it to Historical Fatal Crashes in Florida

Ha ha, poor NASCAR, everyone's beatin' up on him! lol. Sorry man, I don't know how to.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
Will somebody please tell me how to edit the title then? I want to change it to Historical Fatal Crashes in Florida

Probably too late now for you (30 minute limit, I think), but a mod can probably do it.

I was also confused by the title.

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Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:54 am

Biscayne Bay is practically lined with with assorted ditched piston-powered aircraft. Drowned C-46's everywhere. Plenty of four-engine types also.CU lost a DC-4 in a mid-air with a Navy aircraft back in '51 near MEF. MIA has seen some years that had ditchings and crashes with alarming regularity. 1973 was a bad year with the losses around MIA including an ANDES L-1049H, Span-East DC-6B , Transair DC-7C, and a (not so) Happy Hour Air Travel Club's L-1049 crash landed in a field in Tamarac. A BN DC-7C under-shot on approach to MIA in '58, and as late as '92 an Aerochago DC-7C ditched near MIA. Over the years there have been plenty of accidents around the State. I think the NW 720B, EA 1011, and "Critter's" DC-9, had the greatest loss of life and lots of publicity.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:09 pm

AFAICR, there's never been a fatal commercial crash at TPA. Several private planes have crashed there..and one, piloted by a commercial pilot who was trying to catch a flight to the New York area , did hit a commercial jet on a taxiway in heavy fog as he landed, but there was no loss of life on the jet. The Air Florida jet which crashed in DC was headed for Tampa, as was a commercial prop jet which I believe crashed on takeoff from Jacksonville because rhe tail assembly was missing several crucial bolts or screws. When MacDill Air Force Base was training bomber pilots during WWII, the saying was "one a day in Tampa Bay." And the "Sun And Fun Fly-In" in Lakeland has had several fatal accidents...
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 18):
there's never been a fatal commercial crash at TPA

Sept. 1945 NA L-18 over-shot on landing and went over the old sea-wall. I do not recall any fatalities. NA fired the pilot and caused such a nasty pilots strike, NA itself nearly became a fatality!

Back in the late 70's, was with a group of friends sitting up in the bar of the old Host Hotel one nasty,rainy evening and witnessed a DL DC-8-61 overrun and skid to a stop just shy of the old "Boy Scout" Road. Gear held and it just got mired in the sandy overrun area. Pulled out by the next day with nothing worse than an embarrased crew.
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RE: Fatal Air Crashes In Florida With 15 Or More Killed?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:47 am

Although it's much less known than the NW, EA, and ValuJet crashes, there was one more crash in the Everglades, a Braniff DC-7 in 1958, with 9 fatalities.

More information about the crash:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19580325-1

Quoting AllegiantAir (Reply 9):
Isn't there a rumor about a ghost haunting an Eastern L1011 because of that crash? I thought I read about that on here a while back.

This is 100% false. A few months after the Everglades L-1011 crash, an Eastern pilot had to ferry an L-1011 out of MEX on two engines. One of the two remaining engines failed on takeoff, but he was able to make it back to MEX on one engine ok. When the pilot finally got back to MIA, he joked that he thought the ghosts of the flight crew killed in the Everglades crash were on his aircraft.

This innocuous joke was taken out of context, and caused all kinds of rumors about "haunted" Eastern L-1011s to spread throughout the airline's system. Ultimately, two books (The Ghost of Flight 401) and a made for TV movie were produced, based on the rumours. Ridiculous!
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