britjap
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JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:18 pm

In a recent press briefing JAL president Mr. Nishimatsu spoke of some of JAL's current plans.

He spoke mainly about the 787 praising it highly. JAL has 35 firm orders and 20 options with the first delivery scheduled for Aug 2008 and then one frame every other month. The first aircraft will be used initially on domestic routes out of HND.
The aircraft will have a special, though as of yet undecided, scheme. JAL is planning to hold a competition for elementary school kids. The winning design will be used on the aircraft. They have also even asked studio Ghibli to judge the competition.

But the most interesting news is about other aircraft.

JAL is in the midst of downsizing and restructuring, however, they "would not be streamlining their fleet in the way that ANA are doing." the president said. "With at least 10 aircraft of any type maintenance costs can definately be managed", and in order for Boeing not to become its sole supplier, JAL is even looking (though probably not too closely) at the A350.

As for the A380, due to the continuing downsizing the A380 is "being looked at severely." (tricky to translate).

At the other end of the spectrum however there were positive words for Mitsubishi's MRJ. JAL has already committed to the ERJ-170 to replace its MD-81/87's. But "a mixed fleet of E170's and MRJ's is a possibility" Mr. Nishimatsu indicated.

The 747-8 was not mentioned in the article but the overall tone was that JAL will not be making any VLA orders for the foreseeable future. Sad.

Hope this was not all old news to you guys.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:10 pm

Britjap

Many thanks for this thread.NO , it's not old news , but really FRESH news.

First time i hear JL has one half eye open on the A350.

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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting BritJap (Thread starter):
and in order for Boeing not to become its sole supplier, JAL is even looking (though probably not too closely) at the A350.

Interesting, I was under the impression that JAL was not really considering Airbus anymore. Here's hoping for an a350 or a380 order...

Quoting BritJap (Thread starter):
As for the A380, due to the continuing downsizing the A380 is "being looked at severely." (tricky to translate).



Quoting BritJap (Thread starter):
The 747-8 was not mentioned in the article but the overall tone was that JAL will not be making any VLA orders for the foreseeable future. Sad.

These two quotes are a bit contradictory I think. Perhaps they are looking at the a380 "severely not" Big grin If indeed the overall tone was that they will not order any VLA's. I wonder if the fact that they are not going to streamline in the way ANA is doing, also means that they will keep some 744's and 748 or a380's in the future.

Very interesting indeed...
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:24 pm

I was surpirsed myself to hear JL interested in the A350. JL has traditionally been a Boeing carrier. We shall see in the coming months whether or not they put an order in for the A350.
 
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 3):
I was surpirsed myself to hear JL interested in the A350. JL has traditionally been a Boeing carrier. We shall see in the coming months whether or not they put an order in for the A350.

While the majority of their fleet has indeed mostly been Boeing, they have also operated a wide variety of different aircraft like (IIRC) CRJ, a300, DC10, MD11, MD80, MD90.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 3):
I was surpirsed myself to hear JL interested in the A350. JL has traditionally been a Boeing carrier. We shall see in the coming months whether or not they put an order in for the A350.

Well, JL can use the A350 as a B777 replacement from 2015 or so...

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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, JL can use the A350 as a B777 replacement from 2015 or so...

Dream on. C'mon, does anybody really believe JAL will order the A350? I don't although weirder things have happened in the past like QR's logo being on the 787.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 6):
Dream on. C'mon, does anybody really believe JAL will order the A350? I don't although weirder things have happened in the past like QR's logo being on the 787.

I'm not dreaming anything. However, there could be a slight possibility that the A350 just suits JAL's needs best as a B777 replacement. And that it isn't a Boeing product is just, well..... unfortunate. May the best plane for the mission win, regardless of which manufacturer makes the plane.

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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 7):
May the best plane for the mission win, regardless of which manufacturer makes the plane.

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But then again Boeing will have other variants of the 787 that will better replace the 777....ala 787-10
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 7):
May the best plane for the mission win, regardless of which manufacturer makes the plane.

 no  This is USA - Japan.

Pile up landing rights, F-15 replacement, C-X export, naval bases, $90 billion/yr Trade Deficit, 787 participation, China relations etc, etc, on one big agenda, plan a few state visits and Boeings strong lobby in Washington will do what they are paid for.

It's no more then fair for the Japanese Government to do their utmost best to reduce the rising trade imbalance. Now one guess; what is the USA's biggest export product? http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5880.html#2007
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

You crack me up with your 'anything Boeing' responses.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 8):
But then again Boeing will have other variants of the 787 that will better replace the 777....ala 787-10

Maybe, maybe not. Haven't seen or heard any official thing regarding the 787-10 except that EK is seeking for operational guarantees from Boeing.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):
This is USA - Japan

Maybe, but if there isn't a suitable plane from Boeing available to replace the B777, I can see JAL going Airbus. It al depends on what the market has to offer.

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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:47 am

I hope I didnt get too many hopes up. I too am also doubtful that JAL will go for the A350. The implication wasnt that they were looking closely, but the fact that the subject was raised at all made me think it warranted a mention here.

We shall see what happens.
Personally I do hope that JAL goes with the A350. That would be great.  Smile
 
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
Maybe, maybe not. Haven't seen or heard any official thing regarding the 787-10 except that EK is seeking for operational guarantees from Boeing.

But you and I know it is just a matter of time before they do. They're smart enough in Seattle not to sit on their legs and watch Airbus eat their lunch.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 10):
Norcal773

funny isn´t it ?  Big grin

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-11/13/content_281262.htm
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...an-U-S-to-underwrite.html#abstract
http://japan-travel.suite101.com/art...e.cfm/japans_investment_in_the_787

Aerospace is highly politized. R&D investments upfront are extremely high / risky, somehow governments finance a lot, giving them influence / power after. Japan Inc. & Boeing are a hot example of this, whether you like it or not.

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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:15 pm

I would be interested in knowing whether JAL has made any long term decisions to end their reluctance at using two-engined aircraft over long trans-Oceanic sectors?
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 15):
I would be interested in knowing whether JAL has made any long term decisions to end their reluctance at using two-engined aircraft over long trans-Oceanic sectors?

Well the same article mentioned that the 787 may be used on routes to South as well as North America. The countries specifically mentioned were Brazil and Argentina.
 
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting BritJap (Thread starter):
JAL is even looking (though probably not too closely) at the A350.

Norcal773's dream of watching me sitting next to Mr. Nishimatsu on A350s isn't going to happen like his dream of sitting next to Chew and his A350's.... duck ...

It would be ignorant of JL not to look at the A350 to see "what's in the market"....
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting BritJap (Reply 16):
Well the same article mentioned that the 787 may be used on routes to South as well as North America. The countries specifically mentioned were Brazil and Argentina.

Several months ago Nishimatsu stated that JL was interested in "rebuilding JAL's LAX base". Two routes mentioned included NGO-LAX and KIX-KIX. I would think they might then take these on to South America. There have been other rumors of NRT-BOS for 787 use.

As for the A350. Well does it matter? If the plane meets the job requirements and can keep JL on top, then it is okay by me. JL is has just finished its merge with JAS, massive investigations into maintainance problems and a restructuring. They may be looking at the A350 but buying might be another thing. The A380 on the other hand has a better chance in with JL than it would ever have with NH in my opinion. NH and Boeing are far more buddy buddy than JL and Boeing right now. Anything could happen. If Airbus can get some parts built in Japan, then even the chances rise. Remember large sections of the 777 and 787 as well as parts of the 737 are build in Japan. The Japanese take pride in this and will be something they contributed to. Airbus has not taken advantage of Japanese engineering skills as well as Boeing has. Airbus has put more into China, a nation that has a much much shorter aerospace history and less experience with advanced materials and manufacturing. I bet Mitsubishi heavy, Fuji Heavy and Kawasaki Heavy would love to have had more A380 work and will want A350 work.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Norcal773's dream of watching me sitting next to Mr. Nishimatsu on A350s isn't going to happen like his dream of sitting next to Chew and his A350's....

HAHAHAHAHA.. Very funny. Maybe AA will buy some A319's to replace your madDogs and you'll be enjoying your SFO-ORD runs on them. I am only flying Chew's 77W's and the whalejet when they decide to fly it SFO-HKG.
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:30 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
Maybe, maybe not. Haven't seen or heard any official thing regarding the 787-10

The 7810 ball lies in GE's and Rolls' court. My thinking is that they won't launch it like the 739 non-ER. They want the bang for the buck that the longer fuselage allows for and they won't settle for less. 7810 will launch when the engines are ready.  Wink
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RE: JAL President Chats About Future

Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 20):
The 7810 ball lies in GE's and Rolls' court. My thinking is that they won't launch it like the 739 non-ER. They want the bang for the buck that the longer fuselage allows for and they won't settle for less. 7810 will launch when the engines are ready.

I think the engines won't be problem for RR, they have power for the 787-9 and A350-900 & A350-1000, so merging some technology doen't look like a big issue for a 3 spool engine..

GE GENX is a different story, if they offer a bigger GENX engine for the 787-9 that could hurt the GE90 & have them sweating in 777 customers Spinetta, Clark & Walsh offices explaining why they don't can't power the A350-1000..
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