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AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:15 pm

I am trying to compose a list of what nonstop flights there are from JFK to the Carribean. I know there is
Please add what I am missing.

JFK-SXM St. Maarten
JFK-PAP Port au Prince
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:22 pm

Santo Domingo
Santiago, DR
Punta Cana
Port Au Prince
Montego Bay
San Juan
St. Thomas
St. Maarten
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts
Barbados
Aruba
Providenciales
Bermuda (If you want to call it the Caribbean).

Service to Puerto Plata and Kingston were dropped over the past two years.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:33 pm

Wow, those are all direct from JFK??

That is really impressive. I didn't think the list was so extensive!
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 1):
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts

These start this fall.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 2):

That is really impressive. I didn't think the list was so extensive!

JFK exists purely for O&D. While, there are connections to be made on early morning flights from BOS, DCA, YUL and YHZ, and a few Transatlantic flights, JFK alone can generate enough O&D to fill many, many A300s a day to the islands (roach coach). One of the main reason AA doesn't fly so many is to maintain yields, and the fact they are relatively short on aircraft. So, given this fact, JFK is mostly centered on the first type of service, the VFR traffic, with heavy emphasis on very dense A300 routes flying multiple daily frequencies to the likes of PAP, SDQ, STI, etc. With that being said, JFK still has enormous leisure traffic as well to places like MBJ, STT, SXM, BGI, etc., but the volume and the yields are with the VFR.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):
JFK is mostly centered on the first type of service, the VFR traffic



What is the VFR?

AA must make some serious profit from these routes. I was just looking at their fares.
Don't they normally drop in May?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
What is the VFR?

Visiting Friends/Relatives

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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:32 am

American prefers to focus on VFR traffic because it is much less seasonal than tourist traffic.

AA does carry some business traffic to the Caribbean, especially Bermuda, which has become more of a financial center than a resort over the last several years.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):

What is the VFR?

AA must make some serious profit from these routes. I was just looking at their fares.

Damn dude, you seriously don't know? It's visiting friends and relatives, an example would be someone flying from NYC to Santiago, DR to visit their grandmother.

Also, the MIA flights make even more money, ever hear about their Port au Prince flights (A300/757), or Port of Spain (767) or even Nassau, which is 10x daily ATR-72s..
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
Damn dude, you seriously don't know?

Yeah, you would think that, right? But for some reason, I was asking myself, "what does Visual Flight Rules have to do with the topic?"  Wink

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
Also, the MIA flights make even more money, ever hear about their Port au Prince flights (A300/757),

I know the PAP flights well. I know a lot of folks on those flights as well as a few FAs working them.


I wonder how AA was able to dominate the Carribean. I mean, if I look at JFK-Montreal, I would think there are a bunch more options. But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?

Delta flies JFK-MIA non-stop as well. In addition, even though jetBlue doesn't fly MIA-JFK, their FLL-JFK flights effectively compete. They compete to the point where AA matches jetBlue's fares on MIA-JFK.

The best performing route in AA's entire Caribbean network might surprise some people: Miami-Providenciales.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:51 am

And there's also EWR. I think it's safe to say CO has EWR-MIA locked up, but there's some B6 competition on EWR-FLL.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting Acey (Reply 10):
And there's also EWR. I think it's safe to say CO has EWR-MIA locked up, but there's some B6 competition on EWR-FLL.

AA does very well on EWR-MIA and carrier a significant amount of traffic on the route.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:42 am

Do any of those Carribean destinations have US Customs there, or do all passengers on these flights have to go through customs at JFK? What about SJU?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
Do any of those Carribean destinations have US Customs there, or do all passengers on these flights have to go through customs at JFK? What about SJU?

The only airports (in the Caribbean) with pre-clearance are AUA, FPO, and NAS.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
But JFK-MIA is usually a monopoly, no?

Sorry, MIA was a typo!  Wow!
Actually, I meant to say it seems that JFK-PAP are a monopoly. Is that right?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The best performing route in AA's entire Caribbean network might surprise some people: Miami-Providenciales.

PLS really cleans up on the excess bag charges.

Turks Islanders come to Miami on massive shopping trips. They return with huge suitcases and coolers full of food. Lots of excess luggage and overweight bag charges, but it is still cheaper for them to shop in Miami.

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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 13):
The only airports (in the Caribbean) with pre-clearance are AUA, FPO, and NAS.

What about San Juan?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 16):
What about San Juan?

San Juan is in the United States.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:33 pm

St. Thomas, U.S.V.I. has U.S. Customs and Immigration. When you land there, you just disembark the aircraft and exit the terminal, it's only when leaving that you have to clear C & I.

A few years back, AA tested a new strategy where the first flight of the morning (757) to MIA would clear C & I in MIA instead of STT. This proved to be unpopular with the STT passengers, having to deal with the MIA crowds @ Customs, so it was discontinued and everyone now pre-clears in STT before leaving. I personally flew on one of those flights and I agree, it's easier getting it over with in STT (no lines) vs MIA.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
San Juan is in the United States.

Really? Which state? San Juan is in Puerto Rico, whose nationals happem to be US Citizens.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 19):
Really? Which state? San Juan is in Puerto Rico, whose nationals happem to be US Citizens.

And Puerto Rico just happens to be in the United States. Is the District of Colombia not in the US because it isn't a state? I don't think so.
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:25 pm

You would be surprised how many US Citizens do not realize you do NOT need a US passport to visit PR. Obviously you do if you are from another country. AA Has signs all over the airport now in SJU 'Hey US Citizens..you do not need a passport to visit PR'. I was almost embarrassed to read these banners..goes to show you...
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 1):
Santo Domingo
Santiago, DR
Punta Cana
Port Au Prince
Montego Bay
San Juan
St. Thomas
St. Maarten
St. Lucia (UVF)
St. Kitts
Barbados
Aruba
Providenciales
Bermuda (If you want to call it the Caribbean).

Service to Puerto Plata and Kingston were dropped over the past two years.

Did AA fly JFK-CUR in the past? if so when was it dropped?
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:17 am

I seen AA had red-eye flights scheduled from JFK-AUA about 2 years ago but it's gone now...where did it go?
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
AA does very well on EWR-MIA and carrier a significant amount of traffic on the route.

The bulk of AA's traffic on EWR-MIA is comprised of passengers connecting to AA's massive Latin American network out of MIA. That said, the O/D market to MIA is quite strong and higher-yielding than FLL, at least for Continental.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
But for some reason, I was asking myself, "what does Visual Flight Rules have to do with the topic?"

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who did that!  Smile

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The best performing route in AA's entire Caribbean network might surprise some people: Miami-Providenciales.

Actually, that doesn't surprise me at all - Provo is growing by leaps & bounds, lots of new hotel and condo construction.

And the Club Med there has a lot more of its traffic coming on scheduled carriers rather than charters, compared to most Americas-zone Club Meds. In fact, I'm not sure if Club Med even runs charters to Provo at all. Will have to check that. I was there twice earlier this year, and all the CM visitors I saw leaving were on commercial flights - and the majority of those were on American.

Add that to the "visiting friends/relatives" traffic and you've got excellent performance.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:07 am

AA flew JFK-CUR, I beleive and someone correct me if I am wrong it ended in 2002.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:22 am

STX - St. Croix US Virgin Islands also has US Customs and Immigration, just like our friends on STT. We used to have direct JFK service back in the 90's, 80's, etc.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 8):
Yeah, you would think that, right? But for some reason, I was asking myself, "what does Visual Flight Rules have to do with the topic?"



Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 19):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
San Juan is in the United States.

Really? Which state? San Juan is in Puerto Rico, whose nationals happem to be US Citizens.

ROFL!! This is too funny. I needed the laugh.  Smile

Back on topic, with the expansion to new/restarted routes (eg, JFK-UVF), it looks like AA is feeling threatened by the other carriers encroachin on their "territory" (CO, DL, B6, NK, US), and are starting to flex their muscles....whatever that means.  Wink
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:49 am

It has nothing to do with encroachment. AA has been returning a lot of service that was pulled because of construction at JFK. With one of the largest carribean populations outside the Carribbean, Parts of Brooklyn and Queens are loaded with VFR traffic as well as Honeymooners who love UVF. Most of whom live within 10-15 minutes of JFK.
 
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RE: AA Nonstop Carribean Flights JFK-?

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 29):
AA has been returning a lot of service that was pulled because of construction at JFK.

Which routes were pulled because of construction? UVF was definitely not one of those.
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