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AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:03 am

Looks like another failed attempt at Ft. Lauderdale for AeroMexico. Despite launching Ft. Lauderdale as a daily service this time, with times better suited for business travel, AeroMexico will once again discontinue service to the airport for the second time in three years. Last flight is 7 September 2007. This leaves Avianca, once again, as the only Latin American airline serving FLL.
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:05 am

Would it have done better with a smaller aircraft with double frequency? or were loads/yields just too low?
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:36 am

I just don´t get it, they must be doing something wrong. AV advertised FLL as the pleasant alternative to MIA (aka hell) for south-florida bound passengers, and offers connections onward with Delta, plus putting low-yield connecting pax from UIO, LIM and other destinations on the flight, freeing seats up for the MIA ones, which were running completely full.

AM could have done the same thing, being they are in Skyteam. And the Mexican market is much bigger than the Colombian one....
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Looks like another failed attempt at Ft. Lauderdale for AeroMexico.

That sucks. Is FLL better suited for 5D (Aeroméxico Connect) service, or is AM just droping the ball?
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Would it have done better with a smaller aircraft with double frequency? or were loads/yields just too low?

It is impossible for AM to make FLL work when they have MIA so close... MIA offers a choice of 3 daily non-stop flights and one via MID (operating 4x week). Therefore, 1 flight FLL-MEX at not so convenient times is not what business travelers are looking for. Leisure travelers prefer MIA since there is no incentive (low fares) at FLL.

FLL-MEX would be a great route for NK if they can offer convenient connections (Caribbean, East Coast) and they know how to price it, but I don´t know what holds Spirit from opening MEX. Anyway, I can see one of the new Mexican airlines operating to FLL when they start flights to the US.
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:47 pm

maybe Mexicana should take advantage of it...Their MIA flights have been pretty full lately and their service to CUN as well..
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 5):
maybe Mexicana should take advantage of it...Their MIA flights have been pretty full lately and their service to CUN as well..

Take advantage of what? They aren't going to fly to FLL when they could add frequencies to MIA, which is where business travelers want to go, and where partner AA has a hub. Miami-Mexico City is one of few busy Miami-Latin American routes with virtually no VFR traffic to speak of (the VFR traffic also goes to Merida). It is a huge business route and dominated by business traffic, which can help explain why it isn't working from FLL.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
FLL-MEX would be a great route for NK if they can offer convenient connections (Caribbean, East Coast) and they know how to price it, but I don�t know what holds Spirit from opening MEX.

Look for Spirit at TLC, not MEX.
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
Leisure travelers prefer MIA since there is no incentive (low fares) at FLL.

Not sure what you mean by that. FLL was always priced cheaper than MIA. It was never meant for business travelers. As far as I know, it was for leisure passengers. I think another mistake was not doing FLL-CUN-MEX. Would AM have the authority for that. A CUN stop is definitely not out of the way. Another good possibilty would for 5D to do the route like Mark said earlier.
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:02 pm

I guess it's a bit of consolation that this kind of nonsense goes on at other AM stations besides SAN! I can't even begin to list the various routes and start-and-stop dates of AM's history at Lindbergh Field. I certainly understand that we have a unique situation in San Diego (LAX 100 miles north and TIJ and the country of Mexico 20 miles south) yet AM continues to try... and continues to fail, year after year after year. (OK, I admit that somehow they have managed to keep the SJD flight operating continuously -- and profitably, I assume -- daily since Fall 1995!)

I'm glad they keep trying but over a 15 year period (since Summer of '92), shouldn't we expect them to have been able to establish and maintain some regular service to PVR, LTO, GDL, MZT and/or MEX? Since the same thing happens elsewhere in the system, I just wonder about the planning, scheduling and marketing departments at AM.

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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
It is impossible for AM to make FLL work when they have MIA so close... MIA offers a choice of 3 daily non-stop flights and one via MID (operating 4x week). Therefore, 1 flight FLL-MEX at not so convenient times is not what business travelers are looking for. Leisure travelers prefer MIA since there is no incentive (low fares) at FLL.

Add to that, Mexicana's flights which are doing great! FLL is no option for any mexican carrier.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
Anyway, I can see one of the new Mexican airlines operating to FLL when they start flights to the US.

Yes? Who? From Tolousseca or MTY?

Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
FLL-MEX would be a great route for NK if they can offer convenient connections (Caribbean, East Coast) and they know how to price it, but I don´t know what holds Spirit from opening MEX.

Yeap! That would be nice, to get cheap options to fly Caribbean and East Coast and not only depend on AA's @ MIA.

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 5):
maybe Mexicana should take advantage of it...Their MIA flights have been pretty full lately and their service to CUN as well..

MX doesn't need to take advantage. Who knows who or what makes MX have more control at US stations, routes and frequencies but they have done wonderfully building a stronger relation with AA day by day and increasing and opening flights where they really have to for over years.... MX/AA domain Mexico-MIA market.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
I guess it's a bit of consolation that this kind of nonsense goes on at other AM stations besides SAN!

Unfortunately, history doesn't help... AM a government owned airline since 1994... CINTRA... doing a lot of chaos... CEO's come and go... counsel board changing everytime...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
I'm glad they keep trying but over a 15 year period (since Summer of '92), shouldn't we expect them to have been able to establish and maintain some regular service to PVR, LTO, GDL, MZT and/or MEX? Since the same thing happens elsewhere in the system, I just wonder about the planning, scheduling and marketing departments at AM.

Same as above... AM has no continuation on several plans brought up except for its long haul network, which is what best works in the whole system... but that is because of all the years of uninterrupted service.

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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
FLL is no option for any mexican carrier.

Does anybody know if AM took advantage of DL's sizeable presence at FLL in terms of interlining and codesharing?
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Look for Spirit at TLC, not MEX.

You are correct, they approached TLC airport in Jan/Feb 07 and I heard they got a good deal, but we have not heard anything from NK regarding this route.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 7):
Not sure what you mean by that. FLL was always priced cheaper than MIA. It was never meant for business travelers. As far as I know, it was for leisure passengers. I think another mistake was not doing FLL-CUN-MEX. Would AM have the authority for that. A CUN stop is definitely not out of the way. Another good possibilty would for 5D to do the route like Mark said earlier.

AM did not price FLL cheaper than MIA, they both shared a similar fare structure (at least for MEX-FLL and MEX-MIA, don't know the other way around), what you could see was that the cheap fares on the MEX-MIA flights sold quickly and FLL became cheaper, but there was no real price and schedule incentive; if you add the costs of the FLL station for a single flight that does not attract many Premium Passengers, you have your answer. The company where I work has offices in both Dade and Broward Counties and I could see many co-workers take the flight to MIA and rent a car to get to the Fort Lauderdale building. When I asked them why didn't they fly to FLL, the answers were: (1) is there a flight to FLL? (2) AM schedules are awful (3) maybe next time... (4) I need more alternatives in case I change my flight and I don't think you can change a flight FLL-MEX to MIA-MEX!!!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
Yes? Who? From Tolousseca or MTY?

From TLC, since "chilangos" bought a lot of properties in the Miami / Ft Lauderdale area last year... In part, this is why MX, AA and AM have seen decent loads to MIA (I would not say extraordinary) with good yields (since MIA is also a "Premium Market" and FLL is not)

The success of NK or any LCC on the route will depend on good marketing, a good fare structure (from good price elasticity calculations) and the CASM of the airline flying. Obviously, NK will also get help from connections. But MEX-MIA/FLL is a good O&D market.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):
Does anybody know if AM took advantage of DL's sizeable presence at FLL in terms of interlining and codesharing?

No codeshare
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Take advantage of what? They aren't going to fly to FLL when they could add frequencies to MIA, which is where business travelers want to go

sorry to say but personally i think this is not true...i think the main problem of AM flight at FLL was that it wasnt well advertised and promoted and thats why many people didnt even know that exist...aso a smaller aircraft in two different scedules 5 days a week would have worked.... i live in MIA-FLL area and i know so many mexican people and people who is involved in airline industry ..may mexicanas have even flown from FLL to MEX via different airlines...as well yeah is true that Maybe MX or Am should think in FLL-CUN as well...


by the way.. becuase work i constantly go to places oin Palm Beach county and Okeechobee county etc..u guys have no idea of how many mexican there are in those counties...it is 2 hours form miami but in places like West Palm Beach and Jupiter, Ft Pierce and Okkeechobee City i was in aproject with the mexican consulate and i was amazed of how many mexicans live there....Do you guys could actually think that maybe instead FLL a regular non stop from PBI-MEX could actually work better??? maybe the more distance (not as close as FLL) PBI handles flights from nay places and even Bahamas intenrational flights...maybe this would work better..

What do you think Logan, Ghost Mark, Rojo??
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
AV advertised FLL as the pleasant alternative to MIA (aka hell)

Well, with Spirit's massive international buildup, Terminal 4 at FLL is becoming just as hellish as MIA.

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 12):
i was amazed of how many mexicans live there...

How many of them fly back to Mexico on a regular basis, though?
 
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:34 am

Now maybe AM will start MSP-MEX with the extra aircraft....
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RE: AeroMexico Ending Fort Lauderdale (again)

Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 13):

How many of them fly back to Mexico on a regular basis, though?

There isn't a large Mexican community in South Florida at all, especially compared to LA, parts of Texas, Chicago, etc.. There is a decent sized population for the Yucatan peninsula, hence MIA-CZM/MID/CUN are big VFR markets.

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 14):
Now maybe AM will start MSP-MEX with the extra aircraft....

Don't hold your breathe. Not happening.

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 12):
sorry to say but personally i think this is not true...i think the main problem of AM flight at FLL was that it wasnt well advertised and promoted and thats why many people didnt even know that exist...

That might be true, but the truth remains that MIA-MEX is a huge business route, and business travel is going to Brickell Avenue, not downtown Fort Lauderdale.
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