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Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:26 am

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070726a_nr.html

Mumbai to JFK starts on august 1st. Boeing has given Air India their first 777LR. Great chapter of aviation starting here...
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:59 am

Looking fwd to the ceremony on the 28th  Smile
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:50 am

One is on the way to Indira Gandhi Int'l (VIDP). It'll be landing in a little over 8 hours so someone get their camera ready!!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

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Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:57 am

IINM, AI will be the first 3class nonstop from the East Coast to India.

AA appears to be the only other 3class carrier offering nonstops to India, but from ORD.
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:45 pm

I have a friend who's on that delivery flight... lucky guy! Another friend is helping deliver a 737-800 to AI.  Smile
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:57 pm

Has it landed yet. . ?

should be close by now. . .
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:59 pm

What is flying time westbound?
 
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 4):
I have a friend who's on that delivery flight... lucky guy! Another friend is helping deliver a 737-800 to AI.

Will they be flying to BOM too.
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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
IINM, AI will be the first 3class nonstop from the East Coast to India.

I'm assuming that the ideas is that AI can compete strongly with, if not take the market away from DL on the BOM-JFK service.

ON another note, does AI still use foreign contract commanders for their 777 ops, or have all/most of the 744 commanders been type rated for the 777 now?
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:17 am

Nice - good to know - best of luck to AI on this route ...
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:22 am

Maybe the wrong place for this question, but does AI plan on using these new LR's on the YYZ run at anytime?? I've heard about JFK, and even SFO, but nothing here..
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Desh (Reply 9):

Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:31 am

No. 2 777-200LR on the way to new home.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

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Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?

Completely new products in all classes! I believe there have been threads with photos.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Have AI upgraded their first class for this aircraft?

See here:

http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/Webpages/Non-Stop-News.aspx
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 14):

Thanks you that.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:24 am

First Indian plane to fly over North Pole

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For the 51 guests on board Air India flight 160 that touched down at the Indira Gandhi Airport here at 2 pm today, it was a special occasion. The Boeing 777-200 long range (LR) aircraft named Andhra Pradesh, is th e first of the 50 wide body aircraft AI has purchased.

The aircraft has many other firsts to its name. Andhra Pradesh became the first Indian aircraft to fly non-stop between India and the United States and also the first Indian aircraft to fly over the North Pole.
...

The aircraft took off from Seattle with 1.28 lakh kilolitre of fuel although only 1.001 lakh kl were consumed when it reached Delhi after flying non-stop for 14 hours and 18 minutes over Canada, NorthPole, Russia, Kazakhistan, Krygistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:29 am

Interesting, AI is using the -LR on Mumbai to NY and We at Continental will be using the regular -ER 777.

I wonder what the difference in useful payload will be.

Quite significant I would think, that our aircraft is close to the limits of it's economic performance at that distance.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 12):
No. 2 777-200LR on the way to new home.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160

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Why does the flightpath have a huge "U-shape" turn in it. Is this the only way to portray such a flightpath in one-dementional?
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting from the article..

"In Delhi, the aircraft was welcomed with two fire engines on either side spraying it with water as it taxied on the runway. Finally, when the aircraft docked at the parking bay, the CMD and airline officials performed a puja before breaking a coconut before the aircraft."

I thought coconut breaking happens only for vehicles on the road... but I guess air travel is no exception.
 
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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Jlk (Reply 19):
breaking a coconut

What is the history behind this ritual?
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
I wonder what the difference in useful payload will be.

Quite significant I would think, that our aircraft is close to the limits of it's economic performance at that distance.

enough to add tens of thousands of pounds of cargo capacity. Given DL and CO apparently both make good money to India, it can be significant. The real challenge for CO will be when AI and DL are both flying LRs to India, giving them significantly more ability to carry cargo which could translate into their ability to discount passenger traffic.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:41 am

Good point World Traveller, however aren't those fares regulated or am I mistaken ?
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:46 am

the US and India are moving toward Open Skies if they aren't there already... Open Skies removes all controls on airfares.

I'm glad for India's sake that they have got a carrier that will be competing in the world market. India - US traffic is huge and growing. You clearly need the right aircraft for the market and the 777LR is really the best aircraft for the job. I fully expect that DL and AI will command a large portion of the market and other carriers will find it increasingly difficult to compete as they have no cargo capabilities and leave bags behind on a regular basis.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:49 pm

The LR is probably best suited but Continental decided against purchasing it for commonality with the rest of the 777 fleet.

It makes for very efficient aircraft utilization but on short European routes it's a little too much aircraft and on ultra long haul routes it is weight restricted.

Even the regular 200 -ER is still a very capable aircraft though, and even more so since we uprated the GE 90's to 94K
and increased the maximum take off weight to 656k.

Imho I think we should purchase the 300 -ER which can outperform the 200 -ER and carry a great load at very low seat mile cost, that is the 777 of the future as the 787 will eventually supersede the smaller 777's.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
The LR is probably best suited but Continental decided against purchasing it for commonality with the rest of the 777 fleet.

What sort of commonality issues are there between the ER and LR and is it a big difference?
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:25 pm

Well its not that there commanility issues is that lets say you have a route like EWR-SIN daily with a small subfleet of 777-200LR's and one of your two planes goes out due to MX. You cant fly the route on the same schedule because their is no aircraft capable of flying the route. Having all 777-200ER's allows for any other ER to sub in for a down aircraft and those ER's can hopefully be replaced by a 767.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:35 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 16):
Andhra Pradesh became the first Indian aircraft to fly non-stop between India and the United States

That is wrong 1 or 2 of AIs 744s flew their delivery flights from JFK-DEL about 10-12 years ago.
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Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 23):
the US and India are moving toward Open Skies if they aren't there already.

Yes they signed Open Skies agreement somewhere in 2005, after which CO and AA launched flights to DEL.

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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 10):
Maybe the wrong place for this question, but does AI plan on using these new LR's on the YYZ run at anytime?? I've heard about JFK, and even SFO, but nothing here..

not gonna happen as AI will never give up stopover at ATQ and BHX. so we will have to contend with B772ERs. Sad
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:40 pm

Here goes... Air India's Shows Off New Colours (by Cricket Jul 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)
A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
 
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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:58 pm

Are there any detailed photos out yet of the new classesd?
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:31 am

Continental does not keep particular 777's on any one route, the fleet is changing destinations on a daily basis, for example an early TLV arrival into EWR can go out to NRT later that morning, and on arrival there could go on to IAH or back to EWR.

My point is the aircraft are constantly shuffled allowing great flexibilty and utilization. Any 777 can fly anywhere in the system.

If the LR was introduced (in small numbers) of course it would do well on the ultra long hauls, but what about when one is not available and you have sold the passenger and freight load only it is capable of.

You might find for example, due to scheduling complications, weather, delays etc.. you do not have an LR to send to Mumbai and have to send an ER instead with the payload hit that would take, conversely you might end up sending your LR to LGW which is a waste of it's capability and will actually burn more fuel due to it's higher empty weight.

If a decision was made to buy it in substantial numbers, that would allow a more workable solution, as you could have a separate, sub fleet dedicated to ultra long haul.

I don't see us buying it, due to the price and the reasons above. I still think the 300-ER would work very well however and we could easily fill it everwhere we go.

But for now the 787 seems to be the future of ULH flying here at CAL.
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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting Jlk (Reply 19):
"In Delhi, the aircraft was welcomed with two fire engines on either side spraying it with water as it taxied on the runway. Finally, when the aircraft docked at the parking bay, the CMD and airline officials performed a puja before breaking a coconut before the aircr

Its very common for a New Aircraft or 1st Flight after a Major Check.A Garland,a prayer & the coconut breaking.Only Mx reminds the folks breaking the Coconut to avoid striking the Aircraft.
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RE: Air India: 777LR Ready For Aug.1 N/S To JFK Debut

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
It makes for very efficient aircraft utilization but on short European routes it's a little too much aircraft and on ultra long haul routes it is weight restricted.

Which is why you have specific routes for the LRs... it becomes a separate fleet for routing purposes but is technically no different than an ER. You obviously have to have some backup aircraft but it could well be an LR which COULD do anything any other 777 could do. And a 772ER can sub for an LR if you add a fuel stop or offload cargo. There are schedule disruptions that involve every fleet type and weather events that require adding fuel stops or limiting payload.

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 26):
Having all 777-200ER's allows for any other ER to sub in for a down aircraft and those ER's can hopefully be replaced by a 767.

Your assuming that a 767 can replace a 777ER. If a 767 can replace a 777, then the 777 is not being used to the best of its capabilities. The 777 is considerably more capable than the 767.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):

But for now the 787 seems to be the future of ULH flying here at CAL.

Except that the 777LR can do routes that the 787 won't be doing for a good long time, if ever... like EWR-SIN or BKK.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
and increased the maximum take off weight to 656k.

IINM, they already had 656K when they began the route using derated -92Bs.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
and we could easily fill it everwhere we go.

Fill it? Perhaps.
Fill it to yield? ...dunno about that one.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 33):
Your assuming that a 767 can replace a 777ER.

No assumption: they've still got several going to Europe, which their 767s could duplicate from any of their 777-gateway hubs.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 33):
If a 767 can replace a 777, then the 777 is not being used to the best of its capabilities.

Disagree.

If they've got a route that can fill 40+ J seats, to targeted yield, in a single frequency... then who's to say that the aircraft isn't being used optimally? Particularly when their scheduling allows it to be used on a such a route while still incorporating the flexibility to subsequently use/sub that same ship on a route also requiring its more generous range capabilities.
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