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FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:32 am

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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:39 am

Something tells me the vast majoirty of people here have no idea what the ADIZ even is... I could be pleasantly surprised tho!
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting NW748i (Reply 1):
Something tells me the vast majoirty of people here have no idea what the ADIZ even is... I could be pleasantly surprised tho!

Maybe not, but the first sentence of the linked article would have done it...  Wink

"The FAA will reduce the size and simplify the geography of the Washington Air Defense Identification Zone cutting 1,200 square miles from the zone and removing 33 airports."
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:50 am

I have no idea what an ADIZ is, or what it does, but... hooray?
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:13 am

Too bad that image in the article doesn't zoom enough to be of any significant use. Anyone have a link to a more detailed depiction of it?

It seems as if it grew slightly due north of DCA in the "forehead" between the Mickey Mouse Ears, but it got rid of that huge security area Baltimore was getting, and to the west towards IAD is also free now. I could never understand what their reasoning was in protecting the Baltimore area as if it were as vital as the White House. Baltimore is no more vital than Philly, Pittsburgh, Richmond, Raleigh, or other cities of that size in that area.

Any shrinking of the unnecessary albatross of ADIZ is good news though. Great for the GA pilots in that region, and extending out to anyone within a Cessna's-range of the Chesapeake Bay region.  Smile
 
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 4):
Too bad that image in the article doesn't zoom enough to be of any significant use. Anyone have a link to a more detailed depiction of it?

http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070726adiz.jpg

The center of the middle circle is DCA.

[Edited 2007-07-26 23:16:53]

[Edited 2007-07-26 23:17:08]
 
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 4):
It seems as if it grew slightly due north of DCA in the "forehead" between the Mickey Mouse Ears, but it got rid of that huge security area Baltimore was getting, and to the west towards IAD is also free now. I could never understand what their reasoning was in protecting the Baltimore area as if it were as vital as the White House

The Baltimore area is just one of the many TCAs in the United States. It is not nearly the same as an ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone). It is just to protect BWI airline traffic.
 
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 6):
The Baltimore area is just one of the many TCAs in the United States. It is not nearly the same as an ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone). It is just to protect BWI airline traffic.

Methinks you've confused DCA with TCA, the former being an airport Tornado82 was using as a reference point, and the latter having been re-named "Class-B" airspace some years ago....
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 6):

The Baltimore area is just one of the many TCAs in the United States. It is not nearly the same as an ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone). It is just to protect BWI airline traffic.

The (old) ADIZ was shaped like the Mickey Ears and included the Baltimore Area as well. It basically covered the entire Potomac Area Class B with some exceptions and wiggles.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 5):

http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/...z.jpg

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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:03 pm

My Cirrus is based at Leesburg (KJYO) so the change provides a little relief from the requirements needed to get an ADIZ clearance. We will still need, as I understand it thus far, to call an FSS to get a transponder squawk, and that is the part that can take the longest since you are sometimes on hold for an extended time waiting for a briefer. However, there will be some modifications to procedures to talk with Potomac Approach and there is some sort of a VFR corridor that is that little notch up there at the 11 o'clock position.

More details to work out and procedures to communicate to the pilot community before it goes into effect on 30 August.

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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting GRIVely (Reply 9):
and that is the part that can take the longest since you are sometimes on hold for an extended time waiting for a briefer.

Call Elkins, or Altoona.  Wink
 
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:37 pm

This sounds like Tech Ops to me...  Wink
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:36 pm

Great decision! There was no purpose to the "Mickey Mouse" ears. The simplier configuration will reduce the number of violations and reduce bad publicity for GA.
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RE: FAA Shrinks The Washington DC Adiz

Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:34 am

Great news, of course now I don't fly in the DC area anymore... Oh well.
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