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Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?

Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:18 am

Simple, maybe stupid question, but I'm just wondering...

If yes, which carriers? By Cargo I don't only mean small containers, but also post....

Isn't it a way to increase revenue un general? Take Easyjet for example since they usually fly between well established airports surely they can take cargo at no additional cost. Low load factors can be compensated by a decent amount of cargo in the belly...
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:10 am

I don't think U2 & FR handle cargo; well I know for certain that they won't handle the sort of cargo I ever despatch (expired passengers)
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:22 am

I know for a fact both Interjet and Volaris, two extremely successful Mexican LCCs, are doing a good business carrying cargo in their bellies. www.interjet.com.mx and www.volaris.com.mx

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Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:31 am

I remember when Vbird was still around at NRN a strange story went around that they hauled cargo in their A320s during off-peak hours, and pax during peak. Obviously, they didn't reconfigure the cabin for the night, so it must've been some heavy cargo then. I don't know, probably a silly myth. Anyway, it's an interesting topic.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):
I remember when Vbird was still around at NRN a strange story went around that they hauled cargo in their A320s during off-peak hours, and pax during peak. Obviously, they didn't reconfigure the cabin for the night, so it must've been some heavy cargo then. I don't know, probably a silly myth. Anyway, it's an interesting topic.

Back in the 1980s, Eastern Airlines had a contract to haul cargo at night for a company using some A300s based out of Houston and they actually sold seats for the flights at a dirt cheap price. You couldn't check bags because the cargo hod was used for the cargo Eastern was carrying for this handling company.
 
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:03 am

I don't have a link, but b6 carries U.S. Mail, Flowers, Human Remains, amoung other things
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:59 pm

As far as I was told by a 4U pilot a couple of years ago, they do fly cargo only flights at night after all passenger services. I dont know if they do carry cargos during passenger flights though.
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
It's fairly common with the US-based LCCs, here's a few examples:

But they are pretty restrictive in what they will take. Only Frontier states that they will accepts HR's, and animals. Two of the four specifically say they won't, and none of them accept dangerous goods. So "cargo" is a pretty restrictive term when it comes to the LCC's. WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?
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Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:54 pm

I would think that due to fast turnarounds many would be unwilling to carry cargo as it increases the length of time required to turn the aircraft around. Aer Lingus carries very little cargo on European flights for this very reason, long haul they do but in general not too much on short haul, AMS, LHR and FRA are the short haul routes that spring to mind. FR introduced baggage charges to cut down on baggage carried thus reducing turnartound times, so I would doubt they would carry cargo.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):
WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?

I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail, as I know FL and NW quit doing it because the USPS cut the rates they were paying. In addition, in the post 9-11 world, there was new equipment airlines would have to buy in order to handle the mail, and some airlines felt that the expense of buying such equipment (which was in the millions of dollars) outweighed the revenue the mail would generate.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):

But they are pretty restrictive in what they will take. Only Frontier states that they will accepts HR's, and animals. Two of the four specifically say they won't, and none of them accept dangerous goods. So "cargo" is a pretty restrictive term when it comes to the LCC's

Handling HRs always creeped me out when I worked@ EV. We carried cremains and small caskets and I would try to avoid loading any flights I knew had HRs on them. I'm guessing the cases of some of the LCCs, they really cannot handle HR caskets over a certain size due to space limitations in the cargo hold (same is probably true in regards to animals as well). So instead of limiting HRs to a certain size, they just have a blanket policy regarding them. Considering how much money airlines charge to ship HRs (My grandfather many years back was in Air Cargo for Eastern and even back then [late 1970s, early 1980s] the price to ship HRs was more than double the passenger fares.), it may be some revenue these airlines are missing out on.

I was working at FL when they introduced their ASAP Cargo program (it got axed after 9/11 as a result of some of the cargo restrictions put in place) and we'd get all kinds of stuff coming in as cargo. Just about every BOS-ATL came in with a load of live lobsters, and there were flights some nights where we had more cargo than bags and mail. Some of the more interesting things I remember included several film cans that contained reels of the movie "Magnolia" and sheets of uncut circuit board backing.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail,

FX is moving the largest bulk of the USPS, both domestic and international.

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Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail

CO does, and has all that equipment too.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm guessing the cases of some of the LCCs, they really cannot handle HR caskets over a certain size due to space limitations in the cargo hold (same is probably true in regards to animals as well).

? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm not sure which airlines still even carry the mail,

UA? I got a parcel from the USA and there is a tag on it saying the parcel was on a UA flight to LHR.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:51 am

Vey esay question to answer. Just go to your local commercial airport and look at the freight area. You'll see which carriers have office's. UAL is huge in the Cargo business. Most carrier's have small package counters in the baggage area's. They make a ton of money with small packages.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:54 am

I suspect most LCCs do not carry or limit the type of cargo they carry because it actually increases costs. You have to have a cargo warehouse, comply with security regulations, increased paperwork, etc. Carrying cargo does not necessarily increase turn around time because the airline sets a cutoff time for the flights and if it is not there with all the paperwork in time, it doesn't fly on that flight. Most cargo is ready to be loaded for a flight before the flight has even arrived.

Most airlines still carry mail, but mostly point to point. Most do not carry domestic transfer mail anymore because of the tracking requirements of the USPS. The only exception I've seen is foreign mail. I work in cargo and regularly go to the post office to get the mail for our flights and have seen the mail destined for other carriers.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:16 am

Virgin Blue are expanding their freight services, both domestically and internationally.

We may also see an expanded role in the future for Virgin Blue as a service provider for Toll's freight services.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:39 am

From Monastir, MIR/DTMB, you can book for your cargo on a LTU, Tuifly or Air-Berlin flight.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:45 am

Allegiant Air does not carry cargo or mail. I have no idea why... but they dont.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:53 am

Norwegian carries mail between Orly and Oslo.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
I don't think U2 & FR handle cargo;

FR does indeed not carry cargo, and O'Leary said he had no intention to change that.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:25 pm

The other day I was sitting in the terminal at MAN and found that even BA flights there dont seem to be carrying any cargos. A few of their flight heading to LHR just have baggage loaded and thats it - even on a 757.Im not sure about KLM or LH flights as I was just sitting next to T3.
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:46 pm

SkyEurope carries cargo in the a/c.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:12 pm

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 19):
Allegiant Air does not carry cargo or mail. I have no idea why... but they dont.

Probably because of the way their schedule is set up. When you're flying somewhere from LAS of SFB a handful of times a week, folks probably wouldn't be looking to send cargo on one of your flights.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 12):
FX is moving the largest bulk of the USPS, both domestic and international.

I was referring to passenger airlines.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 13):
? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.

Unless it's a 717.
 
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 22):
The other day I was sitting in the terminal at MAN and found that even BA flights there dont seem to be carrying any cargos. A few of their flight heading to LHR just have baggage loaded and thats it

Hardly surprising really. Its quicker (and far cheaper) to transport freight from Manchester to London by road; only four hours approx door to door by road if in a hurry; or about £60 per pallet overnight.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 24):
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 13):
? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.


Unless it's a 717.

Animals can and do travel in the cargo hold of the 717, unless you're AirTran. HA does it everyday.

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Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:12 am

Lots of LCCs carry cargo. Silverjet and Maxjet have increasingly sucessful cargo operations and as mentioned previously many of the US LCCs have cargo operations. US Airways in particular carry lots of cargo.
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:31 pm

Many years ago FR carried cargo but it was eliminated: cargo represented less than 1% of its total revenue. Carrying cargo also complicated its simple, lean operation. I have read that coffins can be carried on flights to Knock. Is this still the case?

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Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):
I have read that coffins can be carried on flights to Knock. Is this

Naah, they stopped it after there was someone knocking from inside.  Big grin

Now, seriously- some LCCs do and some don't. FR is among those who don't and they might be right with that decision because of the airports they serve. O'Leary saiys it costs him more than he coulöd gain aqnd that's it.

Different with Easyjet, they should think about a cargo project since they serve main airport to main airport. They can leave the sales and handling to firms sepcialized and just make sure that the turn around times are kept.

Air Berlin any many others all over the world have appointed Leisure Cargo - which is a LTU company - for their freight business. They act as GSA and they operate a very large system, even offering interlining. It pays for all concerned and the airlines get some additonal revenue.
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:45 pm

Leisurecargo, a subsidiary of LT, markets the belly capacity of LT's own fleet as well as that of other LCCs and charter/holiday carriers. Have a look at their website and you'll see their customers:

http://www.leisurecargo.com/

Cargo Counts is a similar company, they're a subsidiary of LH Cargo: http://www.cargo-counts.com
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:49 pm

Don't know the scenario in India, from what I have heard some Indian LCC's (SpiceJet and Air Deccan) are carrying cargo for courier companies, because India is dramatically under-served in domestic air-freight!
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:44 am

Virgin America has a section about cargo on their website...
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:39 am

Do BA aircraft still carry the Royal Mail logo? I guess they do a fair bit of cargo flights but mainly on longhaul routes.

I know that the charter airlines do a fair bit of cargo hauling too, I know many times I operated LCA-MAN/PFO-MAN with a few cases of Oranges being carried in the hold. Also I do recall that Monarch carried some aircraft parts in the holds of one of their 757s when one of our 737s went tech downroute. As for which ones I know that FCA/DP & My Travel carry cargo (Done by Viking, which I think is an Airtours company?), Excel have carried cargo and like I said Monarch have helped us out in the past.

Cargo is easy money on charter flights, if you restrict the amount of hold baggage you can squeeze a few containers or bins on and carry them off to some airport where no scheduled carrier flies directly (Ala the holiday destinations, like ZTH, EFL, JSI, RHO, SSH).

I think the biggest slow downs on turnaround is if the cargo is oversize or requires special handling, (anyone see that turle being flown back to the Canaries from MAN courtesy of VZ). Also the (cabin) crew would need dangerous goods training, as we need to be able to understand how to deal with fires/leaks regarding dangerous goods in the hold. I presume only a few airlines actually bother with DG training (XLA did, but then again those were the days when they were owned by Air Atlanta) and stick to carrying harmless goods like fruit (except those rotten fruits which set those hold fire alarms off on the BA 747 a few years back.... Wink)

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Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
Naah, they stopped it after there was someone knocking from inside.

Only because he refused to buy a scratch card!  Big grin
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 33):
aining, as we need to be able to understand how to deal with fires/leaks regarding dangerous goods in the hold. I presume only a few airlines actually bother with DG training (XLA did, but then again those were the days when they

Airlines can restrict the kind of cargo they carry. However, if DGR is carried, it needs to be properly checked, packed and manifested. That is the job of the cargo department and only specually trained personel can do that. They pilots need the information, the cabin crew has little influence when something happens. There are hardly any incidents with DGR because of the excellent training and awareness of all concerned.

For LCCs, if they carry freight, I would recommend not to handle DGR or HUGOs (regardless if knocking or scratching) Live anmimals etc. That is the full service carriers domain. .
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 35):
They pilots need the information, the cabin crew has little influence when something happens.

I know that, but when I was at Excel & Islandsflug we were all given brief training (only took one day), it was basic stuff like the colour of smoke, smells of fumes or liquids and how to read and understand both the hazard labels and also how to read and understand the large manual which lists every DG and what to do and what not to do. As for the labels, that's so we can spot anything being loaded which shouldn't and also in-case someone is trying to bring something onboard that they shouldn't. There is very little that we can do to effect the outcome other than spotting any signs in the cabin which suggest something is going on below.

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Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 12):

FX is moving the largest bulk of the USPS, both domestic and international.

Part of the agreement with FedEx and USPS was that FedEx would carry the a large portion of mail if FedEx could put a drop box in front of every post office in the country. The deal is over 7 years and worth 7 billion dollars. Fair trade if you ask me

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Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:54 am

WS carries cargo of most types.
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 36):
I know that, but when I was at Excel & Islandsflug we were all given brief training (only took one day), it was basic stuff like the colour of smoke, smells of fumes or liquids and how to read and understand both the hazard labels and also how to read and understand the large manual which lists every DG a

you mean you control what the passengers might bring on board? To be honest, passengers should not bring anything remotely looking like DGR through security control. Concerning freight - the checks are starting with the shippers, the packers (if different from the shippers) the freight forwarders (specially trained personel) whose duty it is to tender shipments ready for carriage and the airline/handling company where specially trained personel checks it again. Last not least the loaders who are responsible for not stowing DGR next to foodstuff or live animals.

With all that, flight crew can rest assured that nothing happens. Pilots do of course need to know the labels for which one day is enough. Otherwise DGR training is usually a week.

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Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:28 am

Looks like Skybus may consider carrying cargo but surprise surprise, you have to talk to a 3rd party in order to do it! http://ask.skybus.com/info/baggage-rules.shtml
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:32 am

LS carry cargo, but not sure about on Jet2 flights. Channel Express use Jet2's aircraft for the Royal Mail flights overnight when they're not carrying passengers.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 33):
Do BA aircraft still carry the Royal Mail logo?

Yes. Along with aircraft of GB Airways (but not for some reason BMED) the Royal Mail logo is painted on nearly every BA aircraft on the left hand side lower rear fuselage just in front of the registration mark.

In 2006 British airlines carried 125,092,000 tonne kilometers of mail. Of this 99 per cent (123,906,000 tonne kilometers) was carried by just four airlines. BA carried 77 per cent of the total (96,331,000 tonne kilometers), Jet2 13 per cent (16,008,000 tonne kilometers), Titan 7 per cent (9,184,000 tonne kilometers) and BD 2 per cent (2,383,000 tonne kilometers). While the mail carried by BA and BD was all in the holds of passenger flights that carried by Jet2 and Titan was all on freighter flights.
 
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:29 pm

Hello All

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):
WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?

WN stopped mail service last year because we where not making any money on it. The post office has very tight time restrictions on moving mail and it became a pain to deal with them. There are 1 or 2 other carriers that don't do mail either.

Now we focus on freight where the real money is.

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Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:55 pm

Some years ago, 4U considered carrying containerized cargo (in order to keep their turn times), but I don't know what came out of this idea.
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RE: Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
I don't think U2 & FR handle cargo; well I know for certain that they won't handle the sort of cargo I ever despatch (expired passengers)

Don't FR carry dead people to Knock?

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 6):

Back in the 1980s, Eastern Airlines had a contract to haul cargo at night for a company using some A300s based out of Houston and they actually sold seats for the flights at a dirt cheap price. You couldn't check bags because the cargo hod was used for the cargo Eastern was carrying for this handling company.

Midnight Madness flights I do believe. Those flights kind of led a resurgence of the red eye

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 9):
WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?

Like said before, they ended mail service when it became cost prohibitive. Instead, they have focused on what has been making them bucket loads for years, time sensitive freight.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 13):

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I'm guessing the cases of some of the LCCs, they really cannot handle HR caskets over a certain size due to space limitations in the cargo hold (same is probably true in regards to animals as well).

? The cargo holds and doors of a 737NG are the same on WN as they are on CO. HR's and animals don't tavel on RJ's but if it's a boeing, the doggie is going.

WN definitely carries human remains. They are the ones who transported Rosa Parks

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 21):

FR does indeed not carry cargo, and O'Leary said he had no intention to change that.

Stupid, missed opportunity if you ask me.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):
I have read that coffins can be carried on flights to Knock. Is this still the case?

I am sure it is. Does anyone know specifically why?

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):
Carrying cargo also complicated its simple, lean operation.

Please. Southwest has a simple, lean operation and has made a bundle hauling cargo.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
FR is among those who don't and they might be right with that decision because of the airports they serve.

I don't see that as valid. Two of their biggest airports, HHN and STN, are major cargo hubs.
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Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
Don't FR carry dead people to Knock?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
I am sure it is. Does anyone know specifically why?

To help narrow it down further, Ryanair's site says that this is only permitted on the STN-Knock route (not from LTN or EMA)...from http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/faqs.php?sect=bag&quest=humanremains :

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Does Ryanair carry human remains?

Ryanair only carry human remains on the London Stansted-Knock route. To make a reservation you must contact Skytrader in Birmingham on +44 870 4422979.

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I'm also interested in knowing why FR only allows it on STN-Knock...very intriguing...
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RE: Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:49 pm

After some googling, I turned up the following on the Ryanair carrying human remains thing:

Fourth article down on this page seems to offer something of a rationale for it in 1998...

http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople...1998/05/06/Digest.htm#anchor797974

Excerpt:

"It has been estimated that families could add an extra £1,000 to funeral costs to transport a coffin home from Britain through Dublin instead of having the direct flight facility to Knock. Ryanair had to abandon the service six months ago when the cargo handlers ended their co-operation with the service..."

Seems like at least back then, Ryanair offered it as a convenience to folks living in the west of Ireland who had a relative who died in the UK...

A couple of other links related to it:
http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/1997/11/26/News.htm (second article down)
http://www.irishabroad.com/news/iris...ews/airportsapologycoffinerror.asp
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RE: Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?

Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
WN definitely carries human remains. They are the ones who transported Rosa Parks

Not unless they are cremated. And why would you ship cremated reamains if you were traveling with them? I'd just take the box on the plane with me.
http://www.swacargo.com/cargo/shipping_guidelines.html#unacceptable

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RE: Do Low Cost Companies Carry Cargo?

Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 10):
But they are pretty restrictive in what they will take. Only Frontier states that they will accepts HR's, and animals. Two of the four specifically say they won't, and none of them accept dangerous goods. So "cargo" is a pretty restrictive term when it comes to the LCC's. WN used to make a bundle moving mail, do they still have the contract for that?

Wouldn't say it is restrictive at all. At WN we will take just about anything 200lbs or less except for dangerous goods and live animals. We ship just about everything from nuts and bolts going to Ford to computers for Dell. Sometimes the cargo becomes a real PITA when you have to load 2000 lbs plus a full flight of bags (and then ops swaps the acft on us grrrr). ATA also ships money from DCA... Interesting working with guys sporting shotguns watching your every move!

Southwest used to have a contract for mail, but it expired and the airline chose not to enter into another one because of the new requirements of the USPS which we did not want to have to comply with.

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