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Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:57 am

Is it possible that Skybus will start flying out of Houston soon? If so, do you think they'd choose HOU or EFD? IAH, obviously, is out of the question.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Thread starter):
Is it possible that Skybus will start flying out of Houston soon? If so, do you think they'd choose HOU or EFD? IAH, obviously, is out of the question.

Eh more likely they'd choose CLL and call it Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Waco/Killeen.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 2):
Eh more likely they'd choose CLL and call it Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Waco/Killeen.

Haha, I fly out of CLL quite often... It would nice to see a scheduled A319. Not just one of the many diverted ones.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 3):
It would nice to see a scheduled A319. Not just one of the many diverted ones.

Who uses a A319 into Houston? CO is all Boeing and ERJ into IAH, AA is MD and Boeing into DFW and WN is 737 only to IAH.

Skybus might work better in AUS, in my opinion.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 4):
Who uses a A319 into Houston?

Not sure how regular that was, but HP has flown mainline Airbuses into IAH before, I'm sure a few times it was an A319.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 4):
Who uses a A319 into Houston? CO is all Boeing and ERJ into IAH, AA is MD and Boeing into DFW and WN is 737 only to IAH.

I have seen an NW A319 UA A319s, and US A319s at CLL before... diverted from IAH because of weather. And WN is 737 to HOU. I've seen quite a few 757s too. We were lucky to have a BA777 there once too.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:23 am

F9 uses airbus, so does Taca and NW.

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:29 am

I thought I saw an AC A319 at IAH, but I could be wrong.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:33 am

I'd put my $$$ on Hobby.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:38 am

I'd say EFD or CLL, simply because they literally ARE secondary airports. Didn't CO end service to EFD recently?
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
I'd say EFD or CLL, simply because they literally ARE secondary airports. Didn't CO end service to EFD recently?

I believe EFD isn't currently FAA certified for scheduled pax flights, IIRC there is currently no terminal.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:51 am

Is CXO FAA authorized for 121 service?
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
I'd put my $$$ on Hobby.

WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening. Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 3):
WN is 737 only to IAH.

News to the people at Hobby.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:29 am

Austin City Council is in talks to build a second terminal at AUS for LCC. Skybus and 2 other LCC are rumored to find a home here.

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:14 pm

I noted in another thread that AUS was listed in their javascript source code on their website. I'm not stating that this is for sure so take it with A grain of salt.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:59 pm

Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 12):
WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening. Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.

The Wright Amendment protected AA, not WN. If WN was ask for something similar to the Wright Amendment to be put into place at HOU, all of the arguments they used to fight Wright at DAL would come back to haunt them.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Austin City Council is in talks to build a second terminal at AUS for LCC. Skybus and 2 other LCC are rumored to find a home here.

There is no such news in any of the City Council watchblogs.

(I live in Austin...)
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH

Every time I go through IAH I am always on CO out of E. The airport must be big enough so that those birds get lost on the white plains of CO.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
News to the people at Hobby.

Sorry about that, MAJOR typo, my bad.

Also, I have horror images of WN and Skybus banner wars in the Central Concourse now that the new A is not being built.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:50 pm

I think CLL would suit them better then HOU or EFD....

flying into HOU, would entail Skybus competing almost directly with WN

flying into EFD (if its allowable) might work, but that means that they'd have to call their flight Columbus-Houston, and it would be difficult to get to any other city.

CLL however...is about 100 miles from Waco and Houston, and about 130 miles to San Antonio....Seems like a Skybus winner to me!
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):
There is no such news in any of the City Council watchblogs.

It's been discussed at Austin City Council meetings for a month now (LAC).

Austin American Statesman has had several articles on it.

I work at AUS in Operations.

I live in Austin also.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 3):
WN is 737 only to IAH.

You might want to change your name, you sure are not too aware of what is going on at IAH it seems!!!!   

Southwest stopped flying to IAH a long time ago, heck they don't even divert aircraft to IAH when HOU has weather issues.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
Plenty of airlines use A319s to Houston - TACA, Northwest, United, Frontier, US Airways-how can you NOT see one when you go to IAH

Exactly! Bunch of busses around.

Quoting Da man (Reply 10):
I believe EFD isn't currently FAA certified for scheduled pax flights

EFD is Part 139 certified, unless they've lost it in the last month. EFD is used for IAH diverts from time to time so I imagine the city keeps the certification in place, also hoping for scheduled service to return.

I'd love to see competition in Houston, but with CO and WN deeply rooted in the city I'd hate to see Skybus get driven out as quite a few others have, primarily at HOU.

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:35 am

I have a novel suggestion that I know will get me royally flamed. How about a moratorium on threads as to where will Skybus fly next and lets see if they are a long term success in the markets they fly to now? The airline world is littered with startups that died because of rampant early over expansion. They should think about adding frequency to their existing destinations before they start flying into every GA airport under the sun. They've been in the air two months and people are already putting them into at least 10-15 new airports. Lets see how well they do and whether they can actually start paying for those 65 new Airbii that will require crowbars to wedge their pax into those 29" pitch seats.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:16 am

You think there is any demand for CMH-HOU/IAH? I'd think WN and CO have this covered if needed.


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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Austin City Council is in talks to build a second terminal at AUS for LCC. Skybus and 2 other LCC are rumored to find a home here.

Is this part of the expansion master plan that was in place at the time Bergstrom was opened to passenger use? I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall that ultimately two more wings would be built, one on either side of the current terminal building.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 25):
You think there is any demand for CMH-HOU/IAH? I'd think WN and CO have this covered if needed.

Who thought there was any demand for CMH-GSO/RDU/CLT/whatever other cities in NC they claim GSO is?
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 12):
WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening. Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.

SWA does not need highly anti-competitive government intervention to thrive.

They've done quite well on their own.  Wink
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 25):
You think there is any demand for CMH-HOU/IAH? I'd think WN and CO have this covered if needed.

Sure, they have it covered, but do they have it covered at 10$ a ticket? Thats what im thinking skybus is aiming for. They know a lot of the markets they enter are well covered capacity wise, but they think they can steal a lot of the passengers due to their prices.




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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:57 am

I can see them in EFD...after all, WN would do everything to keep them out of HOU, same for CO at IAH, so ill put my  twocents  on EFD  bouncy 




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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:48 am

They would have to put some work into EFD though--there is no more commercial infrastructure there since CO Ex left.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 29):
WN would do everything to keep them out of HOU

I don't think WN is too worried about them - they didn't do anything to keep B6 out of HOU.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 23):
How about a moratorium on threads as to where will Skybus fly next and lets see if they are a long term success in the markets they fly to now?

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 31):

I don't think WN is too worried about them - they didn't do anything to keep B6 out of HOU

Well, i can understand B6 getting in easily...its nothing new to the market, and nothing WN would be that terribly concerned about....Now Skybus is a completely new concept in aviation (at least in the US) and im sure WN would at least put up a fight to keep them from entering a fortress of theirs like HOU.




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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 28):

$10 for only the first 10 seats sold.

Personally I see Skybus venturing into other cities then Houston for right now.

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 33):
$10 for only the first 10 seats sold.

I see so many posts exclaiming the virtues about Skybus and their $10 tickets. Has anyone priced/purchased a full fare ticket on them yet? As pointed out, those ten buck tickets are limited to ten per flight and I'm guessing those don't last very long. I'd like to hear from someone who has paid full fare, has paid to have a bag (or bags) checked, and paid for various amenities on board. Then lets compare those cost to fares on other airlines. I'm guessing the difference isn't that huge. I still am not convinced the majority of American leisure travellers, who are Skybus target, are going to cozy up to all the extra fees, out of the way airports, lack of access to a live voice in the event of a problem, etc.. It sounds exciting and different now but give it a year and see how they are doing. I'm sure I have a reputation on here as a Skybus basher, but I just think it's not going to work, despite many people claiming they are the next Jet Blue. If they do, it will be great. If they don't, I think it will prove the Ryanair model doesn't work in this country, at least as offered by SX.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 23):
Lets see how well they do and whether they can actually start paying for those 65 new Airbii that will require crowbars to wedge their pax into those 29" pitch seats

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 34):
out of the way airports

Out of the way to who? BLI may be out of the way to someone in Seattle, but what if they live in Ferndale or Mount Vernon or Bellingham itself. And what if someone is flying MCI-CMH...you're flying out of the same airport and into the same airport as any other airline. Same with OAK, and SAN, and FLL. I've never flown Skybus before, and I really only will if it works for me, but to generalize that all their airports are out of the way for all their customers is ridiculous.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 30):
They would have to put some work into EFD though--there is no more commercial infrastructure there since CO Ex left.

Correct. However, the City of Houston would like jump at the opportunity to provide some minor infrastructure changes and cosmetic upgrades if it meant bringing in a new airline. They're always looking for additional EFD users. The "terminal" building is still in place. EFD seems to fit the Skybus profile- undoubtedly lower operating costs, virtually no traffic (hold for that F-16, please), good location in relation to the big city and down in Galveston. So what is pax pick up their checked luggage right off the luggage tow?

Skybus is also putting money into upgrading St. Augustine for commercial service, so no reason they could not collaborate with Houston and the Houston Airport System to do the same here. It'd be an interesting alternative (and I can't help but wonder if we might not see COConn S340s flying IAH-EFD again should it happen).

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:29 am

Well I guess a certain moderator here did not like me telling everyone to where in Houston Skybus will fly to, so I guess I'll say it again.


Hobby, South end of Houston, near the intersection of Airport Blvd & Broadway St.


But maybe EFD would be good also. Galveston?

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 7):
I thought I saw an AC A319 at IAH, but I could be wrong.

You probably did at some point

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 12):

WN would do everything possible to fight it from happening.

I didn't see them put up much of a fight at Burbank

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 12):
Maybe even a Hutchinson admendment to protect their turf like they got for Love.

Protect their turf? They were the ones kept from expanding for so long.

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 28):

Sure, they have it covered, but do they have it covered at 10$ a ticket? Thats what im thinking skybus is aiming for.

I am sure WN can cover it at $10 a ticket if they really want to

Quoting SW733 (Reply 36):
BLI may be out of the way to someone in Seattle, but what if they live in Ferndale or Mount Vernon or Bellingham itself.

And just how many of those people fly to Columbus? SEA is located smack in the middle of the population center of that areas, while BLI is close to smallish suburbs and nothing else. The only place BLI really has any potential to pull from is Vancouver, and I repeat, how many of them are flying to Columbus?
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
The only place BLI really has any potential to pull from is Vancouver, and I repeat, how many of them are flying to Columbus?

Apparently, enough!

I just did a quick-and-dirty sample, and using a BLI outbound on 8/29 with a return on 9/5, here's what I got:

Skybus BLI-CMH - $295
SEA-CMH - as low as $239, with 17 itineraries under $295
YVR-CMH - $528 and up

In fact, Skybus doesn't offer a R/T under $200 until late September.

The availability of plenty of options out of SEA that are cheaper than Skybus suggests they can't be drawing very much from Seattle itself, and there can't really be that many people from Greater Bellingham going to Ohio on any given day, can there? So that'd suggest that Vancouver is supplying quite a few passengers - if I could catch a bus for an hour each way to save $233 or more, as opposed to going three times as far to SEA, I'd seriously consider it.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 3):
Who uses a A319 into Houston?

US, F9, Taca, NW, and UA do. I dont know the frequency of the US Airbii though...
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:02 am

Out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone think that if SkyBus chooses Houston, why not Hobby? They do operate into some mid-size airports. OAK/BUR/SAN. They don't have to go into an under-served/unserved airport. Just wondering?

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 42):
Out of curiosity, why doesn't anyone think that if SkyBus chooses Houston, why not Hobby? They do operate into some mid-size airports. OAK/BUR/SAN. They don't have to go into an under-served/unserved airport. Just wondering?

Well EFD is slightly closer to the Galveston and Port of Houston Cruise terminals.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 28):
but they think they can steal a lot of the passengers due to their prices.

Yea....but you'll never see me fly them. I hope they declare bankruptcy soon. Their pilot pay is horrifying. I cant believe the scabs will actually work for them. $30,000 to fly a mainline. Horrible. I look forward to the first time a Skybus pilot tries to jumpseat on an educated captains flight.

Anywho if they do start service to Houston, I would bet EFD would be the place, but look to AA and CO to start service (possibly even WN) to EFD to get them out of their backyard. CO and WN dont want another player in Houston (theyve got it carved up nicely) and AA seems to me to be the only other viable major to serve EFD (from DFW).

I would laugh if WN would start EFD-CMH service at $29-39 a seat for every seat, take a hit for a few months, and drive skybus back to columbus.
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
Protect their turf? They were the ones kept from expanding for so long.

They expanded exactly and as much as they wanted.

WN's biggest priority at Love for the past 20 years I've been here watching them was to NOT eliminate Wright and expanding direct routes until they could lock other airlines out of Love.

Which their and AA's joint campaign has achieved.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:22 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 44):
Their pilot pay is horrifying.

Not really they pay better than several other small airlines and that has been posted here many times. 1st year pay is 1st year pay at any airline. your 30K number is wrong. you can make captain within 7 months at Skybus right now, you can't do that on any other Airbus or Boeing airline flying today.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 44):
I cant believe the scabs will actually work for them. $30,000 to fly a mainline

NONE of these pilots are scabs. A scab is someone who crosses a picket line or helps break a union, you might want to learn your aviation terminology before making a post like this and not looking too bright.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 44):
I look forward to the first time a Skybus pilot tries to jumpseat on an educated captains flight.

They are smart enough to know what airline they have jumseat agreements with, this is another mis-informed comment as all airlines let employees know when they start orientation what carriers have reciprocal agreements for jumping, etc.

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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 45):


WN's biggest priority at Love for the past 20 years I've been here watching them was to NOT eliminate Wright and expanding direct routes until they could lock other airlines out of Love.

No, I think the priority was not to move to the bloated mess that is DFW.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 45):

They expanded exactly and as much as they wanted.

Oh really? Then how do you explain the far greater expansion out of other airports?
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
Then how do you explain the far greater expansion out of other airports?

If you accept WN's public story, you can see exactly how much the restrictions at Love hurt them, how far behind the rest of the airline industry they fell over the past 25 years, how low their profits have been, how many people they've had to lay off, how much they've had to cut their fleet size, how much their stock value has suffered.

Being "restricted" and "hurt" by Wright at Love is BS. The airline has run a masterful PR campaign over the past decades. They've been in control of the political situation for 20+ years. WN happily traded off expanding out of Love with keeping other airlines out.

One thing WN has been very smart about for years is managing expansion so that it did not impose excessive burdens upon the airline. They've been the masters at adding markets and routes are the right time. At not expanding too fast or into markets before the traffic volume was ready.

But you are right - keeping out of DFW and keeping Love to themselves has been their priority.

WN and AA are the 800 lb canaries in the market - and have worked together very well over the past 25-30 years to make sure each had it's own monoply at their home airport.
 
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RE: Skybus And Houston

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:25 pm

By what, 15 miles?

EFD is also farther from 90% of the Houston population, has no car rental facilties, will need etc.....To me it doesn't make sense.

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