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Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:44 pm

Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy; Selection Process To Start Mid-Aug

July 28, 2007: 08:13 AM EST

"NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- State-run carrier Air India said Saturday it plans to buy about 60 new commercial passenger aircraft over the next few years and aims to start the selection and purchase process by mid-August.

Air India, which is being merged with state-run Indian Airlines, ordered 68 Boeing Co. (BA) jets, worth over $11 billion at list prices, in December 2005 in a move to modernize its aging fleet."

Rest of the article is here: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000321_FORTUNE5.htm
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:54 pm

Looks like they will be ordering more Boeings since they already have 27 787-8s as well as 777LRs and 77Ws on order.
Maybe the A380 has still a chance.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Looks like they will be ordering more Boeings since they already have 27 787-8s as well as 777LRs and 77Ws on order.

Or maybe give Airbus a chance with the 330, concerning the availability factor.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:18 pm

"State-run Air India may need another 60 new aircraft by 2011 to expand operations and meet growing demand, the firm's chairman said on Saturday."

The state-run carrier has already ordered a total of 43 new planes from Airbus and 68 from Boeing to be delivered over the next few years, with 25 of these to be added this year.

http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-28699320070728

Air India will also consider buying the Airbus A380, Patel said at the event.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...01091&sid=anpfvz5GuJ6c&refer=india

2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:21 pm

As I said in my other thread - there was a mention of the XWB by a senior official at the briefing today. But, there was a clarification that any order will take a while. The order will include all types - small narrow-bodies to VLA's.. According to PP, mid-08 is a reasonable time-frame for such an order!
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.

Did not read the 2011 part but wasn´t there a statement the other day here on the forum that Air India is interested in the A330s.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:47 pm

I think right now Air India is looking at a long-term buy of the A350XWB and the A380-800 to modernize its fleet. Air India could certainly use the A388 on its routes to Europe and North America.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:49 pm

So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Air India is interested in the A330s.

yup, but that was more with regards to Indian Airlines [IC] who are now merged with AI and will recieve 2 A330-200s around October this year on a minimum 3 year lease period.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 7):
So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?

It will be both for about 30-35 WBs and around 20-25 NBs

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 7):
So is this order just for more wide bodies or will there be any 737/A320 sized jets considered?

It should include an order for ERJ/CRJ/ATR type planes mainly intended for the domestic routes as IC's venerable old 732 are going to need replacement soon.

Further, the article says that the 'process will begin in mid-august'. Is this the beginning of the decade long 'process' involving numerous goverment committees and bureaucrats or will things move faster this time?

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 9):
It should include an order for ERJ/CRJ/ATR type planes mainly intended for the domestic routes as IC's venerable old 732 are going to need replacement soon.

IC only has 3 737-200s in active service and these are gradually being converted to freighters. These will be replaced by the current order of A319/320/321 aircraft. The new order will be over and above this.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.

Could new A330s be delivered by 2011? Don't know what their order backlog for the airplane is.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 11):
Could new A330s be delivered by 2011? Don't know what their order backlog for the airplane is.

I think so; EI recently ordered some for 2009 delivery; it may even be possible to get some for 2008, particularly if there are cancellations of A340 orders; I wonder if the delivery slots for all of the cancelled EK A340-600s have been filled?

My prediction: 4-6 A380s, the balance 777s and 787s (of the widebodies); the narrowbodies will almost certainly be A32Xs.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:30 am

I think there will be good variety for AI

My prediction is firming up of options of 787s, more 777s, perhaps a few A32Xs or 737NGs for Spicejet, and for the VLA I think the A380 will be the winner here. The Government is going big with Air India and I think the A380 will fit their needs perfectly offering unprecedented capacity and efficiency. Also it will be a matter of pride. Having not only a very modern and expensive fleet but also the largest commercial airliner!!

I'd be suprised for A350s honestly though. Perhaps in years to come they will replace the 777s if Boeing doesn't have a replacement ready themselves.

Does anyone have the figures as it now stands for the combines fleet types for AI and IA??

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:38 am

I'm sure their (68) a/c order back in Jan. 06' from Boeing included options/purchase rights. All the money that Boeing & GE are sinking into that deal I would think that would bare some weight in what they order.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:32 am

Would it be correct if I said that AI is ordering up all these planes because of stiff competition from private carriers like Jet Airways and Kingfisher. Will the govt play any part in controlling these private carriers growth or will it be a true competition?

How will the service match up with private carriers and the state run AI?

My personal experience, Jet Airways and IC services were good...AI personally don't know but heard plenty of bad things about it..

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:12 pm

So looks like some more B787/777 & maybe A330.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):

Yeah and probably some A380s or B748s too.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:18 pm

I hope they order the 350-1000 variant, if that aircraft lives up to be as good as Airbus claims it is, it will be perfect for some of the heavy cargo/pax routes AI operates.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:11 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
it may even be possible to get some for 2008, particularly if there are cancellations of A340 orders; I wonder if the delivery slots for all of the cancelled EK A340-600s have been filled?

Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 19):
Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?

This is my understanding; they are both built in the same "Clement Ader" facility at TOU. mind you, I think all or most of these production slots have been filled. Also, with AI getting 787s, the airline may only want 330s for a short term period, which means it might prefer to lease the 330s.

They'll certainly look smart in the new AI colours, although I'd prefer to see them in the new IC scheme!
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:27 pm

My guess:

A32X
A330
A3510
A388

plus more 777s and 787s.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:43 pm

well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???

Well Aseem, it has been openly discussed that both the planes really do serve totally different purposes, and hence the talk of Qatar ordering lots of 787's.

Since im am assuming that the 350 is a larger plane and the 787, they basically can co-exist in an airlines fleet and do quite well.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 19):
Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?

From what i heard, the production lines for the 345/346 altough in the same plant are different than the 330/343 lines, if only there is a 343 cancellation can a 330 slot be free.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
They'll certainly look smart in the new AI colours, although I'd prefer to see them in the new IC scheme!

I so agree with you

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 23):
they basically can co-exist in an airlines fleet and do quite well.

Bingo, especially a fleet of 788s to replace 310s and expansion
359 for 772 replacement
3510 for expansion and replacement of 77Ws down the line.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???

The B787 and A35X could easily coexist in the same fleet, I'd take B788, B789 + A359 and A3510 any day  Silly ... in my CEO armchair. Also, look at SQ, QR, and QF in the future (it's my take on the latter one).

However AI is getting brand new 77L & 77W fresh from the factory so what would be the point of ordering the A350 now ?

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 24):
Bingo, especially a fleet of 788s to replace 310s and expansion
359 for 772 replacement
3510 for expansion and replacement of 77Ws down the line.

But even the 772 and 77W would not need replacement any time soon. In 2015 the oldest will barely be 8 year old... And this is AI we're talking about, they tend to keep their a/c for a very very long time. I know they want to change, but you can't change the culture and tradition of AI and AI people at a glance.

IMO, AI will take :
More 777s,
More 787s,
Plenty A32X
Some A380

If in 2015-2020 the A350 kicks the B777's a$$, Boeing will have something to counter it, AI won't be obliged to order Airbus, they'll continue with Boeing in the WB market and with Airbus for the NB and VLA.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:49 am

I can understand why they're starting another evaluation process now - considering how long it took last time for an actual order to be firmed...  Wink

While I'd like to see A330s or A350s going to AI, I'd be much less surprised with an add-on order for their B777/B787 fleet; the only point where I see Airbus seriously having a chance is at the low and the top end - A32S and A380.

So... has the whole process of ordering planes for Air India been reformed? Or are we looking at another 3-5 year marathon?  Wink

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 13):
I think there will be good variety for AI

My prediction is firming up of options of 787s, more 777s, perhaps a few A32Xs or 737NGs for Spicejet, and for the VLA I think the A380 will be the winner here.

Help me out... why would AI order planes for Spicejet? Isn't that a competitor to their own LCC Air India Express?
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:29 am

Boeing is having a press briefing tomorrow on the state of the Indian market, I'm sure this will come up for discussion!
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:07 am

Something along the lines of:

6 x A380 + 2 Option
10 x 777-300 + 4 Option
10 x A330-300 + 4 Option
10 x A350XWB + 4 Option
10 x A320

Just a thought....

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 21):
My guess:
A32X
A330
A3510
A388

Not understanding your Airbus charge here when AI made it clear with an 11 billion dollar order in Jan. 06' that they prefer Boeing for Long-haul ops. They also made it known that they wanted 737-800's for AIX by placing an order for (18) of them.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
well!! what sense will it make to have both B787 and A350XWB in the fleet???

Tell that to SQ & QR.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 24):
3510 for expansion and replacement of 77Ws down the line.

Thats funny... Saying A350-1000 to replace an a/c they have yet to even take delivery on! Please...

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 25):
The B787 and A35X could easily coexist in the same fleet, I'd take B788, B789 + A359 and A3510 any day Silly ... in my CEO armchair. Also, look at SQ, QR, and QF in the future (it's my take on the latter one).

Your take is funny...  rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 28):
Something along the lines of:
6 x A380 + 2 Option
10 x 777-300 + 4 Option
10 x A330-300 + 4 Option
10 x A350XWB + 4 Option
10 x A320

Again why all the Airbus metal when they clearly are looking like an all Boeing carrier? The A310's will be gone and they will be a Boeing carrier only.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:53 am

I like Boeing for AI. I haven't seen anything in the nature of their flleet management or the news for that matter that would hint at anything other than Boeing. Time will tell.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:01 am

I don't know why they would want to introduce a new fleet type with the A330? And with regards to A350-1000, why would the order this variant now when they've already ordered (and not even yet received) 777-300ER's.

IMO they'll order more A320's, maybe some A380's, 777's and 787's.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 29):
Again why all the Airbus metal when they clearly are looking like an all Boeing carrier? The A310's will be gone and they will be a Boeing carrier only.

In case you haven't noticed, Air India and Indian have merged thereby giving the resulting "new" Air India an Airbus narrowbody fleet. So Air India will not be a Boeing only carrier.

If you are talking about widebody only then that's a different story but I think there are a couple of leased A330s headed their way.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 29):
Again why all the Airbus metal when they clearly are looking like an all Boeing carrier? The A310's will be gone and they will be a Boeing carrier only.

They will order Airbus for the same reasons they will order Boeing

...POLITICS...

Who here remembers the fit that was had when Air India was going to order all A340/A330 a few years ago?

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Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 26):
Help me out... why would AI order planes for Spicejet? Isn't that a competitor to their own LCC Air India Express?

Apologies for the error. I mean't AI Express. Had been viewing photos of SPicejet at the time of posting though. Many apologies again!!

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 32):
In case you haven't noticed, Air India and Indian have merged thereby giving the resulting "new" Air India an Airbus narrowbody fleet. So Air India will not be a Boeing only carrier.

Didn't think it was a done deal til August... Its hitting major roadblocks.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 19):
Are 345/346 slots the same as 332/333/343 slots? Does a 346 cancellation always mean that a 330 slots is freed up?



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
This is my understanding; they are both built in the same "Clement Ader" facility at TOU.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 24):
From what i heard, the production lines for the 345/346 altough in the same plant are different than the 330/343 lines, if only there is a 343 cancellation can a 330 slot be free.

So, who is right?

Are 345/346 and 332/333/343 built on the same line? Does a 345/346 cancellation mean a 332/333 slot freed up?
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 35):
Didn't think it was a done deal til August... Its hitting major roadblocks.

Well, August is just three days away. Roadblocks are a part of any merger and I'm sure they'll resolve them somehow. There are already Airbus A32x aircraft being delivered in Air India colors.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:42 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 29):
hats funny... Saying A350-1000 to replace an a/c they have yet to even take delivery on! Please...

Please read the whole sentence--i did say "down the line" by the time the first 3510 debuts their early AI 77Ws will be about 8-10 years old, and if they secure slots right now, they may get delivery in 2018 thereabouts, so i am just saying , for the future as in 2018 the aluminium 77W will be old design.

Also by the time the AI management approves the fleet buy i am sure even the 787 and 350 will be obsolete  wink   wink 

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 37):
Roadblocks are a part of any merger and I'm sure they'll resolve them somehow. There are already Airbus A32x aircraft being delivered in Air India colors.

All we can do is hope for the best.

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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:15 pm

A lot of the old IA A300 birds may live a second life as freighter conversions under the umbrella of the new Air India.

The potential freight market for the subcontinent will be huge. As India's economy marches forward, there will be more and more exports (as well as imports). India has a distinct advantage in building business (heavy industry and factory output) with the west as compared to other asian countries (china, korea)...the official business language of India is english. As the US businesses start looking east, it will be very easy to strike up conversations with Indians.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 39):
A lot of the old IA A300 birds may live a second life as freighter conversions under the umbrella of the new Air India

With the A310 & B732 being converted to Freighter.There are too few A300s to be added.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:39 pm

The amount of time it takes Air iIndia and the goverment to decide what to buy , Boeing will have both the 737 replacement and the Carbon Fibre version of the 777 with next gen and all the other 787 improvements that go with it.
In the meantime hopefully they will firm up some 787 and bring in a few 748's in the system .
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 36):
So, who is right?

Are 345/346 and 332/333/343 built on the same line? Does a 345/346 cancellation mean a 332/333 slot freed up?

I beleive (but it is only from info posted on here) that there are two lines in the same building - the A345/6 line was built as an extension to building when those varients were launched. I think that A330 A340 backlogs are thus almost independant as there is only a tiny backlog (15?) for the A343 and none for the A342.
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:48 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 29):
they will be a Boeing carrier only.

They are at least interested in the A330 and A380 so I think it is too early to say if there are going to be a Boeing carrier only.

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 31):
I don't know why they would want to introduce a new fleet type with the A330?

Tell that Avianca. I think their order for A330s came as a total surprise for most of us. If an order for A330s while having the 787s already on order should work for Avianca it could also work for Air India. These airlines will likely now better what they need than most of us here.
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 11):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
2011 doesn´t point to the 787 or a350.

Probably Boeing can offer interim 767´s or Airbus interim A330´s.

Could new A330s be delivered by 2011?

I thought the airline suddenly decided they would not consider 8 abreast aircraft half way through their evaluation of the 787 & 777 V's old A350 & A330?
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:58 pm

With the amount of controversy shrouding the acquisition of the Boeing planes, i wouldnt be surpirsed to see an all Airbus order! If not for anythign else, then just to keep the IC pilots happy that they can fly aborad in WB's.

And the other big factor is that i have seen John Leahy around a bit, like at the A380 function in DEL back in May, and everyone including the minister for civil aviation seemed totally enchanted by him.

All i can say is expect anything!

The fact that some state that AI wants to be an all Boeing airline, i beg to differ, AI doesnt seem to know what it wants at the moment, so dont be surprised at all for and Airbus order.

Jut my take.

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jacobin777
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 33):

Who here remembers the fit that was had when Air India was going to order all A340/A330 a few years ago?



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 45):
With the amount of controversy shrouding the acquisition of the Boeing planes, i wouldnt be surpirsed to see an all Airbus order! If not for anythign else, then just to keep the IC pilots happy that they can fly aborad in WB's.

..given how much Airbus pursued the order, almost to the point of insulting the Indian Govt./officials (via potential lawsuits, letters, etc), I'm not so sure about Airbus getting a large wide-body order....these things aren't forgotten so quickly... no 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 46):
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 33):

Who here remembers the fit that was had when Air India was going to order all A340/A330 a few years ago?



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 45):
With the amount of controversy shrouding the acquisition of the Boeing planes, i wouldnt be surpirsed to see an all Airbus order! If not for anythign else, then just to keep the IC pilots happy that they can fly aborad in WB's.

..given how much Airbus pursued the order, almost to the point of insulting the Indian Govt./officials (via potential lawsuits, letters, etc), I'm not so sure about Airbus getting a large wide-body order....these things aren't forgotten so quickly...

The airbus case at the time was that order should be examined. The airline asked both companys to submit proposals for long haul planes, and mysteriously decided that only 9 abreast aircraft would be considered, right in the middle of the evaluation process, coincidetally deeming the airbus bid null and void. Now they have decided that they do want 8 abreast aircraft?
 
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 47):

The airbus case at the time was that order should be examined. The airline asked both companys to submit proposals for long haul planes, and mysteriously decided that only 9 abreast aircraft would be considered, right in the middle of the evaluation process, coincidetally deeming the airbus bid null and void. Now they have decided that they do want 8 abreast aircraft?

..that's fine and dandy, but it still doesn't take away the fact how Airbus pursued the RFP after the Indian Govt. decided to go with Boeing....
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RE: Air India Eyes 60-Jet Buy

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 26):
So... has the whole process of ordering planes for Air India been reformed? Or are we looking at another 3-5 year marathon?



Quoting Mal787 (Reply 41):
The amount of time it takes Air iIndia and the goverment to decide what to buy , Boeing will have both the 737 replacement and the Carbon Fibre version of the 777 with next gen and all the other 787 improvements that go with it.

I think a lot of people on this forum are quoting history to predict the future...not a bad idea, but not always accurate.....no doubt, govt. speed will continue to remain slow, but the long gap in ordering new planes for AI/IC happened at a time when the current economic boom was just starting off and the competition in aviation was building up slowly.....today, things have changed in terms of the aviation industry itself as well as a lot of controls on govt. expenditure, etc. the Indian govt. is sitting on close to $200billion of forex reserves, so the exchange controls are much easier now than they were in the 90's or early 2000's....so, things will not necessarily be as slow as they were in the past...

But again, maybe I'm just being optimistic..... wink 

Quoting Leskova (Reply 26):
Help me out... why would AI order planes for Spicejet? Isn't that a competitor to their own LCC Air India Express?

I think he meant to say AI Express....

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 29):
Again why all the Airbus metal when they clearly are looking like an all Boeing carrier? The A310's will be gone and they will be a Boeing carrier only.

The Indian govt. has always used AI to appease the Americans and IC to appease the Europeans....now that they are a common entity, anything could happen....

Quoting TWAtwaTWA (Reply 39):
A lot of the old IA A300 birds may live a second life as freighter conversions under the umbrella of the new Air India.

I think IC just had one or two A300's left in sevice.....