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No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:33 pm

I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status - in marked opposition to Mr Blair - by flying to see W in a plane that shock, horror doesn't have F class.

Must be a 767. Any spotters clock it this morning?

Might be that BA didn't have one spare at the height of the high season. But interesting nonethless...
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status - in marked opposition to Mr Blair - by flying to see W in a plane that shock, horror doesn't have F class.

If he charters the whole plane himself, I really don't see why a private 767 is so much worse than a private 777. With the way J classes are these days, is it that much of a step down from F?

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:24 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
If he charters the whole plane himself, I really don't see why a private 767 is so much worse than a private 777. With the way J classes are these days, is it that much of a step down from F?

Incase he flies BA yes, he would sit like in a flat sardine can. But incase he got the BA763 they are equiped with F
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:39 am

I think he could underline his modesty even more by just chartering a smaller aircraft. A BBJ oder ACJ should just be fine to get him and his staff to Camp David. Blair frequently used a variety of private, chartered jets. I recall BBJs and even a DC-8.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:56 am

We still need executive transport. What was so wrong with Blair Force One?
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 2):
Incase he flies BA yes, he would sit like in a flat sardine can. But incase he got the BA763 they are equiped with F

Not any more........they have been configured J/W/M for a while now.......no F/J/M configurations left now.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
I'm told that our PM has underlined his "modest man" status

It's the same stupidity of Jimmy Carter 30 years ago. Stripping Air Force One of amenities so he would be seen as a modest man. Stripping the airplane of course cost money, but it was all for show anyway.

Sorry to see you have the same sort of bloke as your new PM. Hope your nation comes out of this term better than the USA did from 77-81...
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):

He's so careful with his money he'll undoubtedly take his amenity kit home.
 
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Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:48 am

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:54 am

At the back of the plane there will be loads of journalists anyway! So if there are enough journalists and nbr 10 staff why not use a 777! After all the 777 provides more capacity!

In this case i reckon it is simply a case of not enough people travelling with him!


I might be wrong...
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:37 am

Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 am

I may be wrong but I think a 777 might have a hard time landing on the lawn at Camp David. A 767 would probably be more appropriate.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 8):
He left on

G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Iflyac (Reply 10):
Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.

Yes they did. They even were on a flight to MIA last christmas I think when tires bursted while landing or the plane came off runway something along those lines. It was a 744 if I remember and a normal comerical flight.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 13):
Quoting Iflyac (Reply 10):
Didn't Blair and family often fly regular BA commercial flights when crossing the pond? I'm sure they opted for F, not only for comfort, but to control the environment for security reasons.

Yes they did. They even were on a flight to MIA last christmas I think when tires bursted while landing or the plane came off runway something along those lines. It was a 744 if I remember and a normal comerical flight.



I was at South Beach the same time as Blair last year... he flew on a regularly scheduled BA 747 flight, the pilot became confused on landing - with regards to lights or some such and simply drove right off the end. There was a hysterical clip the miami news played with a statement from the pilot saying "the lights at MIA are confusing and unclear and this was the cause of the accident." followed by a clip of an MIA spokesman at a press conference saying "every other pilot manages not to go off the end of the runway, i think the lights are just fine."

I know that during his presidency, Richard Nixon flew out to california for, i believe a funeral in the family, on a regularly scheduled UA flight to save money. I wish politicians did this more often. Hell, Brown could have even taken a BA 757... it could reach camp david from LHR.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
I know that during his presidency, Richard Nixon flew out to california for, i believe a funeral in the family, on a regularly scheduled UA flight to save money

Didn't Blair take an ordinary easyjet flight a few years back when on a private holiday? Maybe just to show that Tony was one of us !

Even now, he'll still have his security men with him, whether on business or on holiday.

As for Gordon Brown, as I understand it the journalists fares have to be paid by the media, and so that keeps the costs down whilst maintaining security.

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
We still need executive transport. What was so wrong with Blair Force One?

I'm on this side of the pond and I'm inclined to agree. You'd think the Prime Minister of England could be provided with an executive transport with legs long enough to get him where he needs to go. Air Force One is a U.S. icon where ever it goes. Why shouldn't England's Prime Minister be able to fly the flag in similar manner?
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 16):
Didn't Blair take an ordinary easyjet flight a few years back when on a private holiday? Maybe just to show that Tony was one of us !

You could also be correct however you are probably thinking of Ryanair. In Mr. O'Learys book about the history of Ryanair and the Ryan family, he refers to Tony Blair (during his time as PM) and the family going to Italy on holiday on one of his flights from Stansted. He boasts that he warned his staff to ensure that Mr. Blair and family paid in full for everything including their coffee and snacks! However I am sure that Tony had every intention of paying up anyhow!

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:06 am

President Nixon and family flew on United flight 55 from Dulles to Los Angeles in December 1972
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
You'd think the Prime Minister of England

What happened to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lol
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:26 am

How many people does he bring along?
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!

A pity this one couldn't make it.....  Wink

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You'd think the Prime Minister of England could be provided with an executive transport with legs long enough to get him where he needs to go.

And so much the better if it would be this.....  Smile

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
You'd think the Prime Minister of England

What happened to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lol

Ha Ha
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:20 pm

The reason could be due to shortage of 777. i know they are currently operating without 3 777. One a/c was involved in a incident with a A321. The 777 clipped the wing of the 777 as it was being pushed back and the A321 was pulling on stand.

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heathrow-airport-news-290707b.htm

Also I believe two are in CWL for there annual checks.

However with all the media coverage about the new proposed 40GBP tax on all flights from the uk to offset co2

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/gatwick-airport-news-230707.htm

I hope Mr Brown is offsetting his carbon foot print.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 16):
Even now, he'll still have his security men with him, whether on business or on holiday.

But while in the U.S, he will be protected by the Secret Service

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 16):
As for Gordon Brown, as I understand it the journalists fares have to be paid by the media, and so that keeps the costs down whilst maintaining security.

Same is done here to the media who flies aboard Air Force One. The price equals roughly a first class ticket price between the 2 cities.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
I may be wrong but I think a 777 might have a hard time landing on the lawn at Camp David. A 767 would probably be more appropriate.

He either landed at IAD or ADW, and from there caught a lift to Camp David with HMX-1.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 25):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
I may be wrong but I think a 777 might have a hard time landing on the lawn at Camp David. A 767 would probably be more appropriate.

He either landed at IAD or ADW, and from there caught a lift to Camp David with HMX-1.

Really? Wow, I thought they actually landed on the lawn... Well, thanks for setting me right.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 26):
Really? Wow, I thought they actually landed on the lawn... Well, thanks for setting me right.

That was not directed towards you but to our friends in the U.K that might be unfamiliar with Camp David that there is no runway there.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
England's Prime Minister

There's nothing English about the man. He represents a Scottish constituency, which means he's not accountable to a single English vote. He is to be described as the British Prime Minister since he is chosen by the Queen on the basis he will command the respect of the House representing all the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:04 pm

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
G-BNWN - a pretty appropriate registration!

I noticed that too... Is it BA staff having a little joke with themselves or happy coincidence?!?
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting Seafleet (Reply 23):
Rather ironic given Brown is scottish by birth

As is Blair.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
." followed by a clip of an MIA spokesman at a press conference saying "every other pilot manages not to go off the end of the runway, i think the lights are just fine."

There have been several aircraft do exactly the same thing in the same place its just they didnt have the Prime Minister on board. The NTSB guy actually nearly did the same thing in his CAR whilst investigating. The report blamed the airport.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 22):
And so much the better if it would be this.....

nah, much better



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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:06 pm

Only 59 pax on the aircraft including Number 10 staff and the media.
Even if the number was greater BA still had a problem with a 777 as 6 are in for repair and maintenance and one was damaged during the week.
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 27):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 26):
Really? Wow, I thought they actually landed on the lawn... Well, thanks for setting me right.

That was not directed towards you but to our friends in the U.K that might be unfamiliar with Camp David that there is no runway there.

Ok...
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:08 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 27):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 26):
Really? Wow, I thought they actually landed on the lawn... Well, thanks for setting me right.

That was not directed towards you but to our friends in the U.K that might be unfamiliar with Camp David that there is no runway there.

For those unfamiliar with Camp David at all: Is Camp David somewhere near Camp Krusty in the middle btw Springfield and Shelbyville? Big grin
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
We still need executive transport. What was so wrong with Blair Force One?



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
I'm on this side of the pond and I'm inclined to agree. You'd think the Prime Minister of England could be provided with an executive transport with legs long enough to get him where he needs to go. Air Force One is a U.S. icon where ever it goes. Why shouldn't England's Prime Minister be able to fly the flag in similar manner?

Because despite what Tony might have wanted everyone to think, the PM of the UK is not the Head of State and thus is not entitled to a lavish personal executive transport. If chartered BA flights are good enough for the Queen, they are good enough for the PM (HM vetoed 'Blair Force One' on the grounds of cost and extravagence, as Blair could only justify it if it was shared with her).
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:01 pm

did he leave from lhr ? because i did see a BA 767 at LTN the other day which was unusual.
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting F4f3a (Reply 37):
did he leave from lhr ?

Yes he departed LHR From the Royal Suite!

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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Bobski (Reply 36):
HM vetoed 'Blair Force One' on the grounds of cost and extravagence

What a badass she is!
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 32):
nah, much better

But also much later. The PM might be out of office before it enters service.  Wink

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 32):
At least the wings will be made in the UK.

The 788 has it beat. Its parts will be made everywhere.  Smile
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:39 am

With the sticky wicket of Iraq and George W. Bush's popularity in historically low numbers, I think Brown was in no hurry to cross the pond. A nice leisurely .80 Mach in a Boeing 763 was sufficient thank you; no need to rush along at a Boeing 777s blazing .84 mach.  Wink
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 32):
nah, much better

(Pic of A350)

At least the wings will be made in the UK.

Aaah... but will he still be PM by the time they finally finish making changes to the design of it and actually get around to building it (j/k) ?
 
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RE: No 777 For Brown As He Flies To Camp David?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 24):
I hope Mr Brown is offsetting his carbon foot print.

I hope you are too. With every breath you take, you're taking in O2 and outputting CO2. Hope you've planted lots of trees to take in your CO2 and put out O2. As for me, I think all the "concerned" folks would go back to worrying about dolphin-free tuna or move on to the next thing they choose to worry about.
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