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CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:07 am

Attn MSP spotters...........tech stop in MSP tomorrow for a 777-200. Sorry, no Peter Max though. ETA in MSP is 1425 lcl time. Can anyone get any pics?? I had pics when HKG stopped 3 years ago, but always open to see more!!
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:48 am

I'll try to post some pictures of the 777. Why is it doing a tech stop at MSP?
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:02 am

Pilot time out I would guess.

Dutchjet?, EWRCabincrew, and CALskeds, would know most likely
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:12 am

only 2 pilots available on the flight coming back. will pik up a new crew in MSP.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:11 am

Will the CO 777 be at Concourse G, or the concourse that CO flies out of at MSP (Concourse E)?
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:14 am

it will be staged over at HHH. Just like it did back in '04 when HKG diverted to MSP.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:30 pm

I dug up the old airliners.net thread on the 2003 diversion of the CO B772 to MSP.
HKG-MSP On CO 777 -- Civil Aviation Forum (Sep. 3, 2003)
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Thread starter):
Attn MSP spotters...........tech stop in MSP tomorrow for a 777-200. Sorry, no Peter Max though. ETA in MSP is 1425 lcl time. Can anyone get any pics?? I had pics when HKG stopped 3 years ago, but always open to see more!!

Now showing ETA MSP of 15:59, est. depart MSP-EWR 17:04
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 7):
Now showing ETA MSP of 15:59, est. depart MSP-EWR 17:04

Hmmmm.....that gives me time to get there after work.....hmmmm...... Big grin
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:30 pm

Looks like the pilots timed out. The pilots who flew PEK-MSP are now deadheading MSP-EWR. I have a friend working the flight, when she lands I'll get more info.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Looks like the pilots timed out. The pilots who flew PEK-MSP are now deadheading MSP-EWR. I have a friend working the flight, when she lands I'll get more info.

Pilots timing out somewhere over Manitoba- F/A's will land the aircraft in MSP...  Wow!
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:17 am

I hope they park at Humphrey, that'll give me good views as they push back and taxi. Should get some pics on here by tonight (and hopefully some good enough for the DB)
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:33 am

So now its landing at MSP at 15:59 or 14:25?
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:34 am

Shows landing at 1559, ETD to EWR at 1704.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:03 am

What's this, Continental running out of pilots at the end of the month, just like NorthWorst????
I hope not.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
What's this, Continental running out of pilots at the end of the month, just like NorthWorst????
I hope not.

Pilots timing out, requiring a flight to divert to pickup/replace crew members, has happened a few time this summer on CO......for example, on two occassions so far this summer, the BRU-EWR 777 flight made a planned stop in BOS to deal with similiar crew issues. Things like this should not happen, but they do in the real world.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Shows landing at 1559, ETD to EWR at 1704.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA88



Flightaware showing an ETA of 15:36

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= ETA MSP is now 15:30
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):

Pilots timing out, requiring a flight to divert to pickup/replace crew members, has happened a few time this summer on CO......for example, on two occassions so far this summer, the BRU-EWR 777 flight made a planned stop in BOS to deal with similiar crew issues. Things like this should not happen, but they do in the real world.

They will happen in the real world. IIRC, in at least one of the BRU examples you noted, the crew time issue was related to a First Officer becoming sick at an out-station (other than BRU), which set off a series of "re-crewing" moves to minimize the impact. CO, like other carriers, does not staff reserve pilots at non-hub stations. In the real world, pilots do get sick during a trip pairing. It happened to me this past Spring for the first time; I had to call in sick from SEA and spent 3 nights in a hotel there until feeling well enough to travel.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:04 am

Acccording to Sonic (our res system) ETA is now 1556. ETD is 1701. Always subject to change.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:43 am

I got pics of it landing, I'll post the pictures soon. The CO 777 is at the Humphrey Terminal. As it was taxing to the terminal NW jets were covering it.  Silly Is there a chance it will take off on the crosswind runway (4/22 runway) towards Bloomington?
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:56 am

Quick stop.

On the ground at 1554. In the gate at 1610. Out of the gate at 1636 and off the field at 1653.

Should be in EWR at 2003. Late 2:33.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:31 am

I saw the CO777 on a northbound departure off the three-zeros at 4:55pm. I heard those GE90s howling and I stepped outside my office at the University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus and there it was headed due north right above Cedar Avenue. I am not used to seeing the girth and massiveness of the T7 up here in Minneapolis. It looked like a zeppelin threading its way through the clouds.

So did they take an enroute sick-leave on one of the pilots, or were they just out of coverage at the end of the month? It sounds like CO did a good job of making the stop as quick as possible, but this is still a big inconvenience for passengers on a trip that commands premium airfares - especially as I am assuming the late arrival caused a lot of misconnects. The US airlines are running absolutely razor thin right now - where they cannot handle any operational irregularities by the end of the month. Of course NW is much worse than the others, but everyone is operating in a way that significantly compromises dependability - which means that premium fares will certainly continue to be lost to overseas carriers.

But I sure wish we saw jumbos like this more often here at MSP! Oh for the days of the PA L1011s, Western DC-10s, and TWA 747s....
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:17 am

We are more than covered with pilots. There are always unmitigated circumstances that arise that hampers any given flight: Mechanicals, crew legalities, flying time (actual over scheduled), weather, sick calls down line, etc..

Flight crew are people too, things do happen.

We did and do make the best effort to minimise any delay and do our best to keep inconveniences to a minimum. Was this a huge inconvenience for our passengers? Sure it was. We do, however, have to follow rules and regulations given forth by the FAA. This is one of those times.

Kudos to the MSP ground crew for helping it be a minimum ground time.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 25):
There are always unmitigated circumstances that arise that hampers any given flight: Mechanicals, crew legalities, flying time (actual over scheduled), weather, sick calls down line, etc..

Fair enough... just checking with that earlier question I posed.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 19):
Is there a chance it will take off on the crosswind runway (4/22 runway) towards Bloomington?

It took off on 30L. I was surprised how quiet it was. I'll post pics in a little bit, kinda busy with news right now.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting RyanAFAMSP (Reply 24):
So did they take an enroute sick-leave on one of the pilots, or were they just out of coverage at the end of the month?

It was neither. One of the scheduled IROs was not admitted to China upon arrival and was therefore forced to immediately deadhead back to EWR. A replacement wasn't available in PEK, so the (remaining) crew could only operate a 12 hour flight, thus it was unable to operate all the way to EWR.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 28):

IRO? what is that.
 
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm

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IRO? what is that.

International Relief Officer.

Required when flights are longer than 8:01. One IRO needed for flights in duration of 8:01 to 12:00. Flight longer than 12:01 require a second IRO.
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 25):
Flight crew are people too, things do happen.

I fully understand and didn't mean to imply this was the pilot's fault. When I was a flight attendant I would never wave my legalities even if this meant cancelling trips and stranding passengers, which happened on multiple occasions. I was just trying to point out that US airlines are running thinner than they ever have - and via efforts to cut costs have made the end of the month more difficult for crewmembers and passengers alike.

In this case it seems from information posted here that this is in fact not the case, as they lost the IRO due to documentation issues (my guess would be problems with the PRC visa, which we always had at United). In this case CO would have had little time to get a reserve in place in time. But one thing to think about is that I would guess the airline schedules the crew for a 1-day layover due to the reduced layover requirements due to the IRO. This makes it real tough to get a reserve in place if there is an en route sick or (in this case) a documentation problem. People are always griping about unions on airliners.net - but passngers should think more critically. In many cases the increased layover times required by good union contracts actually give the airlines a lot more time to work out contingency plans in the case of irregularities. United flight attendants, for example, are guaranteed a 2-day layover on the Asian (further than Japan) long hauls, which gives the company more time to deadhead in reserves if there are legality problems with the inbound crew. This means more ontime departures for passengers.
 
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Here are some unedited photos:

Parked between HHH and 4/22:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/kaigywer/CO777/CO777-parked.jpg

Rotating right in front of the MSP tower:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/kaigywer/CO777/CO777-takeoff.jpg

Flying away over the Mpls skyline:


Another interesting sight. Old NW A319 planes going to another airline:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/kaigywer/CO777/old-NW319.jpg


I'll reupload better photos later
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:51 pm

Great pics!!! Thanks for posting them!
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RE: CO 777 PEK-MSP-EWR 8/1

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:10 am

Maybe this is a shot over NW's bow for their adding frequencies on EWR-AMS... just to give them a hint of a future CO route!  alert 
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