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Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:08 am

Merhabalar,
I hope everyone is having a great summer, since not much more left of it. It seems to be very busy for most of you.
Again I will put down a list of things happening and we will go from there;

-TK starts ESB-LHR daily with 321
-Onur wet leases a MD-82 from Best Airlines
-Eurowings will lease 2 ex-Atlas CRJ700s
-Condor starts 3x weekly FRA-SAW
-Euro Atlantic Airways will lease a second ex-Atlas 757
-Sun Express leased an ex-XL Airways 738.
-Futura Int. Airways has added an ex-Pegasus 738
-Saga has wet-leased both of its 734s to Air Algerie
-MNG wet leased a A300C4 to Ceiba Int.

Now, there is some crazy news above (from CH Aviation); Pegasus gets brand new 738s and at the same time sends them away, TK leases 738 from Sunexpress, and Sunexpress get them from XL, Atlas is leasing its nicer aircraft to lease a weird combination for themselves, just doesn't make sense.

-How about the news of Onur being taken over by Pegasus, and creating a formidable challenge to TK?
-How is Star Alliance coming along?
-Sept. is only a month away, can we finally get an order from TK for 787/777/350?

And how about this looming TK strike, it is getting pretty ugly.

Again, your inputs are greatly appreciated, nice to have you all here.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:52 am

Let's hope there won't be any TK strike. When we read the comments of the TK's employees regarding the strike, most of them will vote for 'NO' .

On my last 2 TK flights, luckily I have flown on new A320s. The interior colour is good (blue seats, pink curtains), at least much better than the pictures I saw on the database. The only problem was, the blue colour shows dirtyness.

How about the load of ESB-LHR flights?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 1):
How about the load of ESB-LHR flights?

This is a quote from last months thread from Ankaraflyjet;
"Turkish Airlines starts daily nonstop flights from Ankara Esenboga to London Heathrow from October 28. The daily flights are as follows:

Turkish Airlines LHR Terminal 3 to ESB
Turkish Airlines TK1986
Departs: 13:15
Arrives: 19:15
Duration: 4 hrs 00 min

Ankara Esenboga Airport (ESB) - Heathrow Airport (LHR) T3
Turkish Airlines TK1985
Departs: 10:00
Arrives: 12:15
Duration: 4 hrs 15 min "

About the blue seats, yes they show especially the pen marks, but that is the case with almost any airline with leather seats, but you are right, this light blue color needs more tender love and care than others.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Eurowings will lease 2 ex-Atlas CRJ700s



Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Euro Atlantic Airways will lease a second ex-Atlas 757



Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Atlas is leasing its nicer aircraft to lease a weird combination for themselves, just doesn't make sense.

What exactly went wrong with AtlasJet? Did ETS Group screw it up after taking it over the OGER Group? They seem to be having a lot of problems in the last few years... I flew them 4 times now and all their flights were full. AtlasJet offers a great product and their domestic flights are extremely popular. Bad management perhaps? Or maybe their strategy of flying to airports TK isn't interested (Usak, Canakkale, Tokat etc) didn't work?

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
And how about this looming TK strike, it is getting pretty ugly.

Not a TK strike but back in 2000 when I was still a cabin crew with TK, the ATC had a strike and boy was that ugly? A 45 minute ADB-IST flight wouldn't land before 1h10 mins or so.I vaguely remember a BA plane that had to convert to Bulgaria somewhere.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Sept. is only a month away, can we finally get an order from TK for 787/777/350?

In my opinion, TK will go for the A 350 XWB. The 340s will still be used with the upgraded interiors until they arrive sometime around 2015 and then they will be phased out as the 350s arrive. And I assume some of the 350s (or all) will be in high density configuration for flights to JFK, NRT, BKK and such.

I know that TK has been wanting to start MEL or/and SYD flights for quite some time so maybe a couple of longer range 350s could be bought to introduce non-stop flights. I guess one of the 350 variants has enough range to cover the distance right?
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
I know that TK has been wanting to start MEL or/and SYD flights for quite some time so maybe a couple of longer range 350s could be bought to introduce non-stop flights. I guess one of the 350 variants has enough range to cover the distance right?

Both MEL and SYD are just under 15,000km from IST. All 350 variants have a range just about that, but when we factor in the prevailing winds and others, I just don't see this as a non-stop, but one day as a one stop. By the way this would be a very very long non-stop flight, over 18 hours (?), so I don't see it happening.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:01 am

Merhabalar !

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Euro Atlantic Airways will lease a second ex-Atlas 757

... to be registered CS-TFK if I'm not mistaken.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
In my opinion, TK will go for the A 350 XWB. The 340s will still be used with the upgraded interiors until they arrive sometime around 2015 and then they will be phased out as the 350s arrive.

The order is a tough call, also I tend to think like you.

1) TK won't order the B777, it's too late when the A350 is just knocking at your door.
2) Turkey is politically not in particular good terms with Europe, so IMO the political pressure to order Airbus won't be here and the B787 is a very good aircraft.
3) The B783 (or even an underused B788) would be a good replacement for the A310 for medium haul to Europe/ME/India. But it arrives too late and TK is already learning to deal with what is available on the market i.e. more A321s, sometimes some A330/A340 and a growing cargo entity that takes the freight.
4) The A340s being refurbished cost TK some good money so they will stay for some more time for the retrofit program to make good ROI. I think TurkishWings' 2015 guess is a good one. They also get A330s and could order more of them until that time frame should they need extra capacity. So 2015 is IMO about right for the beginning of the new WB aircraft deliveries. It puts Airbus and Boeing on the same level as both the B787 and the A350 are available in 2015.
5) The A350 is built to hold more pax than the B787 and TK will need bigger aircraft eventually (I could easily see a 350 pax aircraft in TK fleet in the future).

So my take would be about an A350 order by TK.
Point #5 being the biggest factor. TK will need a 350 seater and the A350 looks (as of today) to be more appropriate for this job. The A350 will allow them to have only one aircraft type for :

  • growing markets (A350-1000),
  • the A340 replacement (A350-900),
  • and the A330 replacement down the road (A350-800).


Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
All 350 variants have a range just about that, but when we factor in the prevailing winds and others, I just don't see this as a non-stop,

I think the A350-900R could do it. IST-SYD is longer than IST-MEL at 8,076nm (great circle) and the A359R is said to have a range of 9,400nm, enough to make it, even taking into account the winds westward.

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 5):
I think the A350-900R could do it.

Do we know that this version is definitely a "go"? When will it be available, and how many pax for 2/3 class?
Thanks much.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:21 am

3 "new" videos for you:

1.Dr. Candan Karlýtekin about the strike:




2.turkish politician's about the strike:




3.RTE about the strike:

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Now, there is some crazy news above (from CH Aviation); Pegasus gets brand new 738s and at the same time sends them away

TC-AAK was offered by RBS on a better lease term than what they already had on the bird that they returned. PGT is the most bottom line conscious aviation company in Turkey. So, the better leasing rate is a good reason to change and get a brand new one in the fleet.

PGT also loves the 737-500s. They run really nice on thin routes w/out pushing the issues of another aircraft type and different crew requirement.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
What exactly went wrong with AtlasJet?

They used this 'we are getting 'zero' airplanes out of the factory ' spiel too much. They never watched their bottom line and they started to operate too many different types of airplanes. They had two different variants of 757s and 3 different kind of A320s. Why would you want to have 757 with both GE and RR engines on your fleet?

There were also a lot of issues with non aviation related cost structures. Now that petro dollars are saving them, will they get their act together? We'll see..

An lastly for something completely stupid , THY extended the leases on some 734s. Leasing them from 1993 till 2009..
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
What exactly went wrong with AtlasJet?

If you go to RE: 2 More A319s From AtlasJet To Turkish Airlines (by Robcol99 Sep 25 2006 in Civil Aviation) Wing and I had comprehensive analyses on what could go wrong with Atlas. This was September last year, if I'm not mistaken. Sad to see that our projections are somewhat materializing.

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 8):
An lastly for something completely stupid , THY extended the leases on some 734s. Leasing them from 1993 till 2009

For your info, I think they plan to extend the lease on 6 aircraft for 5 more years, starting from 2008/9. So they'll be around for a good old 20 yrs!
But again, their leasing rates are really low now.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Sunexpress get them from XL

And just to add to that craziness, XL have leased some 738s from Sunwing of Canada  crazy 

How come Onur have started using the MD88s back to the UK again this summer? Last few years has seen A300 and A321 only IIRC?
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:57 pm

sorry there seems to be a problem with the 2nd video, i tried to edit the post but it didnt work:

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
TK starts ESB-LHR daily with 321

Some competiton coming in to Ankara. With BMI taking over BMED as of 28 October ESB-LHR flights are planned to be x6 weekly.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 1):
How about the load of ESB-LHR flights?

Quite a suprize but the loads seems to be quite high as TK planned daily and BMI x6...

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Illusion (Reply 12):

Quite a suprize but the loads seems to be quite high as TK planned daily and BMI x6...

I'm not sure about the point-to-point demand between the capitals, but what I could think of is a big amount of connecting traffic over the pond. LHR and especially BA serves a lot of destinations in Northern America. For ESB pax an alternative to TK with only ORD and JFK via IST or LH with some US destinations via MUC.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 8):
THY extended the leases on some 734s. Leasing them from 1993 till 2009..

I don't understand this. What is the urgency? These 6 734s are leased for another 2 years, why rush now to extend their lease till all the way to 2014? This must be a very sweet deal, or is there a lack of 15 year old 734s in the market?
Also by 2009 there will be 12 more A320s, 5 more A321s, 8 more 738s in the TK fleet. Just don't get it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
I don't understand this. What is the urgency? These 6 734s are leased for another 2 years, why rush now to extend their lease till all the way to 2014? This must be a very sweet deal, or is there a lack of 15 year old 734s in the market?
Also by 2009 there will be 12 more A320s, 5 more A321s, 8 more 738s in the TK fleet. Just don't get it.

hey, this is TK and this is Turkey, so everything is possible Big grin
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:31 pm

The 737-400 has turned out to be a quite successful work horse at THY. I remember back in 1988-89 when then CEO Cem Kozlu started looking at the type as replacement for the 727 and DC-9 fleets.

While the current lease rates are quite favorable, the crazy part however is that THY all these years probably paid twice the original purchase price via operating lease charges when all said and done. Not the best business decision looking back.  banghead 

Cleverly at least, they did not take the same path on majority of the 738 and A32X fleets, with most being purchased directly instead.

Btw - here is a link to an upbeat story about THY Cargo.
http://www.transportjournal.ch/e/itz/itz/artikel.php?id=13693
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:40 am

arkadaslar,

I need some help with the booking number of TK. Could someone help me? I need exact numbers of several flights, not the availability of Amadeus, Sabre, Apollo and so on...

pls help !!!  Smile


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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:05 am

Hey...

I just learnt I have 2 consecutive days off from work so I decided to head down to Marmaris and Bodrum... Purchased my rather expensive (343 YTL= 193 EUR) tickets a few hours ago from TK's website... It's unbelievably expensive don't you think?

Flying to DLM on Saturday (Aug 4th) on TK 220 at 19:35 (A 321) and up from BJV on Monday (Aug 6th) on TK 275 at 22:40 (B 738). I might make a TR if I get enough pictures.... No promises though  Smile

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
I need some help with the booking number of TK. Could someone help me? I need exact numbers of several flights, not the availability of Amadeus, Sabre, Apollo and so on...

Stylo777, I have no freaking idea what you are talking about.. Does anyone? Big grin What kind of booking number are you looking for man?
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 18):
Stylo777, I have no freaking idea what you are talking about.. Does anyone? Big grin What kind of booking number are you looking for man?

sorry mate, it was a very loooooooong day and I'm tired, but still looking around for flights back home.
my intention is to spend my two week vacation mid August in Turkey and I'm flying on stand-by  Wink no problem with my outbound flight... my problem (and 'headache-maker') is the return back to Germany. All LH flights are full as well as TK on several routes between Turkey and Germany. So I'm looking for alternatives like IST-BUD-FRA, IST-VIE-FRA and therefore I need the exact and actual booking status of each flight, understand??? Big grin
Reservation systems like Amadeus or Sabre don't show you the exact booking number of the flight...

any TK insider want to help me  Wink Big grin


BTW: 193EUR IS REALLY EXPENSIVE!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 16):
here is a link to an upbeat story about THY Cargo.

Thanks for the link Laxintl,
Anyone else read the last section where it says, "8x319s, and 3x 330/340s will be leased"? I guess we heard this one before at the beginning of this year, but hey, they got their hands full with the labor situation now. Maybe for next summer?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Illusion (Reply 12):
Some competiton coming in to Ankara. With BMI taking over BMED as of 28 October ESB-LHR flights are planned to be x6 weekly.

Don't forget, BMI and THY are part of the same alliance. Where as I can well understand that TK routes its pax directly from ESB to LHR, I can't quite get why there should be 13 weekly flights on this route, offered by the same alliance as from the beginning of the winter schedule...

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:18 pm

3 new vidz for you:

Dr. Candan Karlýtekin said he's sure the voting will result against a strike:



(what a surprise) Atilay Ayçin said the opposite:



and now my favourite video today
THY Cpt Bahadýr Altan; actually he said that they're happy with the money they're getting, but the employees could need a longer resting time:

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:59 pm

Joelatbsl From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 119 posts, RR: 6

Don't forget, BMI and THY are part of the same alliance. Where as I can well understand that TK routes its pax directly from ESB to LHR, I can't quite get why there should be 13 weekly flights on this route, offered by the same alliance as from the beginning of the winter schedule...

Actually the BMI flights are inherited from BMED but still there will be BA codeshare in the BMI flights. Therefore the BMI flight will more likely carry more One World pax than Star to and from Ankara. The BA codeshare will help fill the North America connections too. Secondly BMED operated Ankara as a first leg of a flight to Khartoum or Tbilisi or Aleppo or Damascus. If BMI will do that (most likely) the number of seats allocated for Ankara is limited with BMI. We will have to see BMI timetable to comment on this. I am even expecting BA to involve into Ankara and exit the deal with BMI eventually due to Ankara's growing feed to One World.

Regarding the TK daily between ESB-LHR, it seems to be a wrong decision to start this in the winter schedule, they should have done this in the summer. Also TK should use this flight for transit to other Turkish or international destinations from Ankara as IST is congested, crowded and is not an ideal transit point. ESB is the best facility in Turkey for smooth transit all under the same roof (from/to INT to DOM vice versa)

ESB still, as the airport with the second largest scheduled airline traffic in Turkey, is not served by any member of SKYTEAM and this needs to be sorted out by AF, KL or DL.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:07 pm

PIA have returned the two Saga A310's on July, they had leased them for Hajj 2006 which were later being used to Birmingham and briefly to Glasgow which has been suspended now, one of these aircraft was to be leased by Shaheen Air in March to begin their own service to UK but PIA extended their lease and even took on the second aircraft due to ban on its own A310s.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:21 am

One more thing from the TK Cargo fleet article:
It says the 313F has a capacity of 40 tons. TKs 313 pax version has a cargo capacity of 25 tons. So 4 months of retro fitting to 20 year old planes, to get 15 extra tons of cargo capacity, to last maybe another 5-10 years. Any thoughts on this?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:02 am

TK787 it's cheaper to convert the A310s instead of buying newer aircraft. Those A310s are already paid for.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 26):

That I understand. Another way of looking may be;
It is cheaper to operate A310 pax planes and carry 15 tons less without the time and money loss for the retrofit, than trying to buy/lease pax planes to make up for the loss of 3x200+ seat category (332s?). So, next year this time TK has only 3 A310s, and added S.Africa flights. So which type is going to pick up the slack from those 3 310 conversion to longer flights to Near/Central Asia, India and weekend BJV, DLM, AYT flights?
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 25):
It says the 313F has a capacity of 40 tons. TKs 313 pax version has a cargo capacity of 25 tons. So 4 months of retro fitting to 20 year old planes, to get 15 extra tons of cargo capacity, to last maybe another 5-10 years. Any thoughts on this?

Actually info is somewhat wrong. The 313 average total payload is more like 25tons (200pax + 5tons cargo) while the A313F total payload becomes 40tons.

Another way to put this is that the A310 pax version only has room for 14 LD3 containers (including baggage) while the converted pure freighter can carry those, plus make use of the entire main deck for cargo pallets.

Its quite wrong to use the 25t figure for the pax version and compare to a 40t figure in the cargo version. You are really not looking at an apples vs apples comparison.

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:31 am

there was a brand new Turkish A321 in at LHR today, TC-JRS first visit.

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 28):

As always thanks for the very detailed info. TK website doesn't explain that the 25t. cargo cap. is inclusive. The numbers and graphics above make a huge difference. Thanks a bunch.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 27):
So which type is going to pick up the slack from those 3 310 conversion to longer flights to Near/Central Asia, India and weekend BJV, DLM, AYT flights?

310 was a nice airliner but the job can be done by the combo of A321 and A330s. I think TK needs more A330s than A310s. A310 doesn't fly that many high yield / high freq. routes any more. When was the last time you have seen A310 doing IST-LHR? The more A330s there will be , more you will see them in routes to LHR, ORY, etc. They will also be a good replacement for India routes.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:39 am

Looks like Airbus will be bringing the A380 to Istanbul in October for a demonstration to THY.

Apparently Airbus made an unsolicited offer to THY for 3 A380s. According to the manufacturer, based on traffic projections the carriers Far-East routes along with JFK should be able to support the A380 in a few years.

Relatedly Airbus has responded to THY's RFP with its A350 offer which includes pricing on additional A330 frames prior to the delivery of the A350 mid next decade.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:45 am

oh god....A380 at TK i can smell the rank nightmare already....
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 32):
Looks like Airbus will be bringing the A380 to Istanbul in October for a demonstration to THY.

Apparently Airbus made an unsolicited offer to THY for 3 A380s. According to the manufacturer, based on traffic projections the carriers Far-East routes along with JFK should be able to support the A380 in a few years.

definately a no-go for TK in my eyes. too many factors are against an A380 eventhough I really would much like it to see it in Tulip colors.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:46 am

I think TK will need something like 777 or A340-600 before they can upgrade to the A380 class.
I will say that the most logical one will be A340-600 because of the cockpit commonality. Run 343s to thin routes and 346s to routes like JFK and you will be all set.

Then again, we haven't seen them to do the logical thing for some time..
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 34):
definately a no-go for TK in my eyes.

 checkmark  Agree 100%

The A380 would end up being todays DC-10 for which the carrier never quite figured out how to successfully operate in the route network.

While A380 might be fillable during certain time periods, it would require lots of fare discounting and subsequent downward yield pressure during off seasons, not even taking into account the added crew, maintenance and operations complexity the type would have.

Might however be fun to see it operate some of the Turkey-Germany "domestic" routes during peak periods !  Silly
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 35):
I think TK will need something like 777 or A340-600 before they can upgrade to the A380 class.
I will say that the most logical one will be A340-600 because of the cockpit commonality. Run 343s to thin routes and 346s to routes like JFK and you will be all set.

A350-1000 or the 77W are the more likely options.

I can totally see TK ordering 788,789, A359,350-1000 at the same time.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 36):
Might however be fun to see it operate some of the Turkey-Germany "domestic" routes during peak periods !

perhaps they could lease some A380s over the summer to make this domestic runs Big grin
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:11 pm

I've a question concerning the new interior of TK. which planes are already fitted with the new turquoise/blue seats? only the new delivered A320s or also some B738s?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 39):
also some B738s?

selam,
738s also, see my trip report from last summer: Turkish Trio: IST-DLM With Atlasjet, TK, Pegasus (by TK787 Sep 26 2006 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 40):
738s also, see my trip report from last summer:

ok and which ones are already in blue?

(I'm flying TK next week from FRA to ADB and finally want to try out these new seats )


btw a great report! I already enjoyed it...

[Edited 2007-08-07 13:20:13]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:32 pm

Hello fellow turkish a.netters.

I have planned a trip to turkey 31st aug - 6 th sep. Flying DXB-IST-DXB on TK. With this impending strike do you suggest i defer the trip or continue.

I am actually quiet keen as i would be doing Antalya/Pammukale and Istanbul.

Cheers!
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[Edited 2007-08-07 13:37:16]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:20 am

Workers voted to authorize a strike.

Let see what the companies next move will be. It previously had stated it would begin a lock out of employees and a orderly suspension of services instead. In addition the carrier had warned a post strike THY could look very different in regards to staffing needs and potential sales of its subsidiaries.

Quote:
Turkish Airline workers vote to strike
Thu Aug 9, 2007

ANKARA, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Turkish Airlines staff voted on Thursday to strike for more pay at the height of the tourist season, CNN Turk reported.

The company's management and the government have been making efforts to avoid a strike, threatened by the civil aviation union HAVA-IS, which represents about 11,500 Turkish Airlines employees, including pilots and attendants.

The ballot by Turkish Airlines employees, taking four days, ended and the airline employees said "yes" to the strike, CNN Turk said.

Now the union can declare a strike within six days, but the cabinet can rule to postpone strikes at strategic companies, including Turkish Airlines.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKB15053020070809?rpc=44
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 43):

So when will the strike begin
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:56 am

well it's not for sure we will strike, the yes for strike vote was to sit back down at the table....hopefully we wont strike., if we do, then we will be fired most probably...  Sad
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 45):

So it will not be any strike for tomorrow.
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:27 am

In theory the union does have the right to call a strike immediately however I somewhat doubt it.

The vote was not a resounding yes vote either, (5,015 voted vs 4,555) so clearly the membership is divided. In addition my sense of public opinion is not on the side of the union, so there could be negative repercussions PR wise if they launch a strike immediately.

I'd say the best hope is for further talks, however the company claims it has provided its 3rd and best offer to the union already.

I have to give credits to THYs management and board. The company is no longer a state organisation that can write off such added operating cost. The company must operate now to basic commercial for profit principles and most draw the line at some point with the unions.

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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:24 pm

arkadaslar,
is there a WiFi-Hot Spot at IST? Is it for free or do they charge it?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation August 2007

Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Eurowings will lease 2 ex-Atlas CRJ700s



Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 3):
What exactly went wrong with AtlasJet? Did ETS Group screw it up after taking it over the OGER Group? They seem to be having a lot of problems in the last few years... I flew them 4 times now and all their flights were full. AtlasJet offers a great product and their domestic flights are extremely popular.

Haven't those two CRJ700s been sitting idle in Europe since AtlasJet got their three CRJ900s? Why didn't AtlasJet keep them to boost capacity here and there, especially as several A and B aircraft are being leased out? Will Eurowings pay the lease to AtlasJet or to a leasing company?
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