QXatFAT
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Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:11 pm

I was wondering, with the new serivce to KFAT with ExpressJet (XE), are they qualified with the CAT III program like QX? I believe that QX does have the program to land in the fog. Will XE have the same pogram to stop delays and cancilations into FAT?

I was wondering this due to the aircraft being very knew and if they were outfitted with these. Because of XE flying for COex and DLc before, they really didnt seem to need it on those routes. But now with flying to BFL, SMF, FAT, they might be needing some of these pograms to keep those flights going. Does anyone have any information?


Thanks!

Kyle
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:08 pm

Hi Kyle.

I think XE will have that certification too!!! That's a good point indeed because fog at FAT can be really a pain. I remember seeing fog some days in a row there and I'm sure XE was aware of that!
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:07 pm

While reading the thread I remember years ago when United flew the milk run through the Central Valley with 737s, that during the winter month when the fog was dense and low, often the pilots would circle the airports after failed attempts to land making a few tries at it.
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:15 am

XJET is certified for CAT II ops. I don´t think the E145 is capable of CAT III ops as equipped.
Perhaps the Legacy is capable.
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:39 am

XE is only CAT II and I have not heard any rumors about upgrading to CAT III
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:51 am

ExpressJet is CAT II certified, and we do it often enough in IAH. I haven't heard any plans of CAT III certification.
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:37 am

XJT is CAT II certified. I just wanted to clear up any confusion on that subject, in case someone didn't read the last three posts.
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:01 am

When did Express Jet commence service into FAT?
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 7):
When did Express Jet commence service into FAT?

XE started service to FAT back in April/May. They have the service to SAN and ONT.

Quoting OldProfessor (Reply 4):
XE is only CAT II and I have not heard any rumors about upgrading to CAT III

IMO, XE almost would need to become CAT III certified if it does not want to cancil flights into the valley. QX was very smart it doing this. When you have 4 flights a day into FAT and 4 flights out, same with BFL, and then have multiple a day out of SMF, you almost need this I believe in order to keep up the operation as a LCC. You just can not afford to cancil flights.
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:12 am

XE's schedule as is will most likely beat the fog on most nights for their inbound from ONT. From my experience, the RON's that arrive after 10pm are more likely to face diversion. I feel for Mexicana and their redeye to GDL. That said, knowing how the fog can mess up Skywest and Eagle and their LAX operation big time due to fog in the Valley, I'd hope XE understands the competitive advantage they could gain from having CAT III...or smart scheduling to strengthen their position in FAT...and to protect the integrity of their other routes that begin the day in FAT or BFL.

Doesn't the early morning FAT-ONT then head off to COS? If I were XE, I'd consider keeping the intra-state flights to 145's that bounce back 'n forth between the fog bound cities in California. Try to explain to a passenger in ONT that their flight to COS is sitting on the gound at FAT due to fog - trust me, I've been there - it just doesn't sell with passengers.
 
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 9):
I'd consider keeping the intra-state flights to 145's that bounce back 'n forth between the fog bound cities in California.

I agree 100%! It would make a lot of sense keeping them here. I know that the morning BFL flight that goes to SAN turns around and goes to FAT. That is the only flight I know that stays in the valley. Sometimes the fog here at FAT will even loom around all day long.

Does anyone have an idea how much it would cost the airline to have themselves become CAT III certified?
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RE: Fresno W/ ExpressJet And Horizon

Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:31 am

Gotta love the feeling of seeing numerous "Cancelled"s up on the FIDs after Skywest and Mesa flights and "On-Time" after QX. We get the same thing in EUG. There are mornings where we'll walk in and we're the only ones with aircraft on the ground.