collin260
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AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:21 am

Next year, American Airlines will offer wireless broadband internet access on its 767-200s. A company called AirCell will be in charge of the internet access. However, AirCell says the service only works in the continental U.S. Anyone think this service will be popular on AA?
The approximate flight time today will be 6 hours in First Class and 12 hours in Economy.
 
N62NA
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:30 am

Would be great - I hope it succeeds and they add it to the 757s too.

As it stands right now, the majority of people who will get to try it are people on the JFK-LAX/SFO runs, as those are the primary routes for that aircraft type.

Lucky for me, they still use a 762 MIA-JFK, though, so I look forward to trying it out!
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Collin260 (Thread starter):
However, AirCell says the service only works in the continental U.S. Anyone think this service will be popular on AA?

Depends mainly on the price, I think, but also on the sector length. I think the on-board telephones never took off that well because the price point was too high. If I have to pay $10 for a transcon flight, I would get it. At $20, I may balk. Business Class customers would probably be ok with that fee if their companies pay for it -- bb is far more useful in today's world than having phone access (and you can skype a call as well  Smile ). I would probably not get the bb service for short flights (NYC-DC) as the time you can have bb service would be limited (30 mins or so), but then again, if the price was right, I would go for it.

My $0.02 (bill it towards the bb fee!)

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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:20 pm

Here is the info from AA's site:

The AA Press Release On Inflight Broadband

My question is, if they are going to be using a CELLULAR signal, then doesn't that put the kybosh on the theory that cell phones cause interference with navigational equipment?
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:40 pm

Wi-Fi has had a lot of bad press here in the UK, as it's being linked to a increase in the number of children being off school with headaches and associated illnesses.

Makes you think, a) do we really need this installed in aircraft, and b) how can one be sure the technology is safe?
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting Cha747 (Reply 3):
My question is, if they are going to be using a CELLULAR signal, then doesn't that put the kybosh on the theory that cell phones cause interference with navigational equipment?

1) Cellular means the transceiver creates a coverage area which has the shape of a cell. There are serveral cells, one next to another, to create a greater coverage area. It has nothing to do with cellular phones.
2) Cellular phones are dangerous (or might be) aboard because and only because they are set at maximum power trying desperately to find a land base station. This is also applicable no any radio technology, the power of transmitions is gradually shifted until response is received from another device or station. If the response comes from inside the aircraft the power is less than using your cellphone at home.
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 4):
Wi-Fi has had a lot of bad press here in the UK, as it's being linked to a increase in the number of children being off school with headaches and associated illnesses.

That's not because of the signal itself but because they are up until 3AM playing WoW.
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azhobo
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 4):
Wi-Fi has had a lot of bad press here in the UK, as it's being linked to a increase in the number of children being off school with headaches and associated illnesses.

Makes you think, a) do we really need this installed in aircraft, and b) how can one be sure the technology is safe?

I am not sure how WIFI on AA flying US routes could possibly keep UK children out of school with headaches and associated illnesses?

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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 6):
because they are up until 3AM playing WoW.

Funny!!

Quoting Azhobo (Reply 7):
how WIFI on AA flying US routes could possibly keep UK children out of school with headaches and associated illnesses?

Err, not saying it will, but the principle & effects of Wi-Fi maybe needs more research?
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting Cha747 (Reply 3):
My question is, if they are going to be using a CELLULAR signal, then doesn't that put the kybosh on the theory that cell phones cause interference with navigational equipment?

An excellent question. AirCell uses the same EV-DO technology Verizon and Sprint use for their wireless broadband services. The ban on cell phones is the result of lobbying from Airfone, cellular carriers, and some airlines in the 90s which were concerned about losing Airfone revenue. But their arguments were utter nonsense, especially with corporate jet owners using their cell phones so frequently while flying at a broad range of altitudes.

The lobbyists claimed that the issue on board aircraft was interference with cells on the ground. This is why the FCC initiated the ban, not the FAA. And 3 watt cell phones at 1.9 GHz are hardly a threat to ATC communications and on-board instruments at 120 MHz. The biggest issue now is concern that other passengers will be annoyed. From a technical and interference standpoint, there is no valid reason why you can't start dialing your phone next time you want to call someone while you're flying.

[Edited 2007-08-13 01:06:42]
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 4):
Wi-Fi has had a lot of bad press here in the UK, as it's being linked to a increase in the number of children being off school with headaches and associated illnesses.

I thought the American media was unsurpassed in scaring people with nonsense, but clearly they have strong competition in Britain.

If a 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi signal was causing kids headaches, I'd hate to see what a TV station would say about the 12.7 GHz satellite signal over which its content is sent to DBS subscribers.
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:11 am

I think Internet access is long over due. I think no phone service should be allowed. I can handle internet service which allows you to text and send emails. This would allow the businesses and small business guys to stay in touch no matter where they are. It only makes since.
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:48 am

I have a friend associated with AirCell and it sounds like very interesting technology. They are using one of the big USA cell players (I think Verizon) as an internet provider. The aircraft then has its own "cellular modem" if you will, with a range of +/- 50 miles.

It is expected that this technology (based on the ground) will be far cheaper than sat-based internet. Think about it, the cell towers are already there. No word on pricing yet, but it stands to be a lot cheaper than yesterday's sat-based internet we all thought would rule the world.
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:21 am

Heres a question.. since many controls are computer controled, servos etc, Do any of the controls or componets operate
on wireless systems... Could a pax hack into a planes systems???
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:46 am

My question would be if and when internet is implemented onboard, will sites for "mature audiences only" be blocked as well?

I can see it now: "Sir, please make sure to keep your seatbelt fastened and the buckle visible." And I'm not thinking the F/A's are necessarily talking about the seatbelt's buckle either..

Also, the topic of skype on planes as well could easily be just as irritating as a cell phone and I wonder if it would possibly be blocked as well.
 
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RE: AA Will Test In-flight Wi-fi

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 13):
Do any of the controls or componets operate
on wireless systems... Could a pax hack into a planes systems???

I would think that since planes must operate in high-altitudes where you could get much radio interference as well as in thunderstorms where you could get signal degredation that there is no way they would rely on a wireless signal to do anything at all. That's just asking for serious trouble.
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